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America 117 Aug 16, 2008 4:52 PM

CHICAGO | Navy Pier Redevelopment
 
Future plans
On January 13, 2006, the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority released plans for a major renovation of the pier which would include a monorail, a 260-foot (79 m) spokeless Ferris wheel, a roller coaster, floating hotel, and an 80,000-square-foot (7,000 m²) water park with a Great Lakes theme. The plan would include nearly double the current parking and a replacement theater with a greater capacity. At the time of the announcement, a price tag of $2 billion was announced.

I got this from wiki and I wanted to know if it was true. If it is then that would be so cool!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ohnHancock.jpg
This pic is from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Pier

America 117 Aug 16, 2008 5:00 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-Navy_pier.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-Navy_Pier.jpg
This is all from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Pier

Marcu Aug 16, 2008 5:07 PM

I think this project is dead in the water unless it's some convoluted attempt to bail out the McPier budget deficit by improving and then privatizing. McPier is out of cash and the plan seemed to get a negative reaction from the general public when released.

America 117 Aug 16, 2008 5:31 PM

Oh
Thats too bad:(

wrab Aug 16, 2008 6:51 PM

Here's the proposal:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y15.../crappier2.jpg

Kinda cheesy for my taste.

I'd like to see the original Chicago Ferris Wheel resurrected, if nothing else:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y15...erriswheel.jpg

America 117 Aug 16, 2008 7:14 PM

That would have looked so great!
Navy pier really needs a roller coaster.

Chicago2020 Aug 17, 2008 1:16 AM

found this nice render, just a vision design

http://www.archidose.org/Blog/rtkl-london.jpg

ethereal_reality Aug 17, 2008 1:25 AM

^^^ whoa...that looks like Lebbeus Woods.

LucasS6 Aug 17, 2008 8:05 PM

They should do something with the water reclaimation plant or whatever next door.

philopdx Aug 17, 2008 10:30 PM

I remember when I was in Chicago in 2006, navy pier struck me as rather corporate flavor of entertainment, a little slice of Orlando on Lake Michigan.

I don't know the history, was this an urban renewal project of a previously blighted area? I would congratulate them in that case, since flashing lights and mojitos are much preferred to spooky, empty warehouses.

I'm not sure about the revamp, I guess it will be interesting to see how things progress. I need to get back soon to see all the new construction and activity!

ardecila Aug 18, 2008 7:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philopdx (Post 3741366)
I don't know the history, was this an urban renewal project of a previously blighted area? I would congratulate them in that case, since flashing lights and mojitos are much preferred to spooky, empty warehouses.

IIRC, Navy Pier was built to consolidate a bunch of docks around the downtown area into one place, so that lakefront and riverfront parks could be built. Since Great Lakes shipping traffic declines in winter, the pier was largely unused and housed large conventions and shows. In WWII, the pier was used by the Navy to train new sailors from around the Midwest, which is when it got the name "Navy Pier" (up until then, it had been called Municipal Pier No. 2).

It later housed a special branch of the University of Illinois, set up to educate large numbers of returning soldiers. This branch eventually moved a few miles away and became UIC, but this left the pier largely unused again until the 1980s, when a massive renovation added the ferris wheel, a food court, winter garden, shopping, the Skyline Stage, the modern convention spaces, and the lakefront promenade. Over the next 10 years, various boat companies were formed to offer lake cruises and tours from Navy Pier's docks.

wrab Aug 18, 2008 1:30 PM

^ And it is now the most popular tourist attraction in all of Illinois - sorta the Great Lakes version of Fisherman's Wharf, minus the chowder bowls. And, perhaps, minus the Kiddies Museum.

Chicagoguy Aug 18, 2008 2:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 3742071)
IIRC, Navy Pier was built to consolidate a bunch of docks around the downtown area into one place, so that lakefront and riverfront parks could be built. Since Great Lakes shipping traffic declines in winter, the pier was largely unused and housed large conventions and shows. In WWII, the pier was used by the Navy to train new sailors from around the Midwest, which is when it got the name "Navy Pier" (up until then, it had been called Municipal Pier No. 2).

It later housed a special branch of the University of Illinois, set up to educate large numbers of returning soldiers. This branch eventually moved a few miles away and became UIC, but this left the pier largely unused again until the 1980s, when a massive renovation added the ferris wheel, a food court, winter garden, shopping, the Skyline Stage, the modern convention spaces, and the lakefront promenade. Over the next 10 years, various boat companies were formed to offer lake cruises and tours from Navy Pier's docks.


Municipal Pier No. 2? Was there another pier somewhere?

What are they going to do with the area of the pier that housed the childrens museum once it leaves. A roller coaster or a waterpark I think would be a great idea to rejuvenate the pier. And a monorail would definitely be a great idea. I know the pier might not look like its that long of a walk, but it takes forever to get around the entire pier...its a much longer walk than it looks!

America 117 Aug 18, 2008 4:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicagoguy (Post 3742314)
A roller coaster or a waterpark I think would be a great idea to rejuvenate the pier.

That would be great!
Just think after walking downtown chicago what better way to end the day then going on a roller coaster on navy pier!
I would love for them to build one it would also be cool if it went over the water.
So many great things could be built on navy pier!

Chicagoguy Aug 18, 2008 4:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by America 117 (Post 3742471)
That would be great!
Just think after walking downtown chicago what better way to end the day then going on a roller coaster on navy pier!
I would love for them to build one it would also be cool if it went over the water.
So many great things could be built on navy pier!

Yes I agree...Navy Pier is a great asset to our city and could only get better with improvements now!

ChicagoChicago Aug 18, 2008 4:15 PM

Just my two cents, but Daley's plan to move the Children's museum is moronic. Navy Pier is all about family activities. Why they would want to pull the Children's museum makes no sense to me.

As for those that say Navy Pier has a corporate theme to it, I would agree. But then, McPier can't run a profit as it is, so pulling all the cheesy vendors isn't going to work unless they privatize it.

Chicagoguy Aug 18, 2008 4:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoChicago (Post 3742491)
Just my two cents, but Daley's plan to move the Children's museum is moronic. Navy Pier is all about family activities. Why they would want to pull the Children's museum makes no sense to me.

As for those that say Navy Pier has a corporate theme to it, I would agree. But then, McPier can't run a profit as it is, so pulling all the cheesy vendors isn't going to work unless they privatize it.

Yes I agree with you...I dont understand why he wants to move the museum...it is perfectly fine where it is! But is he does move it elsewhere I hope something great takes its place!

America 117 Aug 18, 2008 4:32 PM

Whats in the childrens museum?
whats so great about it? I wouldent really care if they take it awey.

ChicagoChicago Aug 18, 2008 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicagoguy (Post 3742498)
Yes I agree with you...I dont understand why he wants to move the museum...it is perfectly fine where it is! But is he does move it elsewhere I hope something great takes its place!

Knowing Daley, it's all about ego. He wants to prove he can building Grant Park. This town doesn't have enough green space as it is. Pisses me off.

ChicagoChicago Aug 18, 2008 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by America 117 (Post 3742525)
Whats in the childrens museum?
whats so great about it? I wouldent really care if they take it awey.

Why do you hate the children?

Chicagoguy Aug 18, 2008 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoChicago (Post 3742540)
Knowing Daley, it's all about ego. He wants to prove he can building Grant Park. This town doesn't have enough green space as it is. Pisses me off.

I agree...we need more green space and I am not talking about "green space" like Millenium Park or Grant Park, I mean we should have more green space like Lincoln Park!

And its not about what is IN the Childrens Museum...its just a fun place fun kids to go that is also educational. It just fits well with the family theme of Navy Pier!

America 117 Aug 18, 2008 4:58 PM

ChicagoChicago

I dont!:haha: :haha:

When i was that young i really dident care about a museum even if it was for children.

ChicagoChicago Aug 18, 2008 6:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by America 117 (Post 3742560)
ChicagoChicago

I dont!:haha: :haha:

When i was that young i really dident care about a museum even if it was for children.

I know you don't hate children. Daley has been calling the people opposed to moving the children's museum racists and children haters. It's his red herring.

munda Aug 18, 2008 7:43 PM

forget the new plan
Just finish Burnham's Plan of Chicago from 1909.
now that would be a beauty

ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2008 8:52 PM

^^^ Now that would be great.

Burnham Plan 1909

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7...aaa1909cr4.jpg

Yikes!! I didn't realize my scan was so BIG. sorry

America 117 Aug 18, 2008 9:52 PM

That would not look good in chicago.

Chicagoguy Aug 18, 2008 10:10 PM

You know what would be really great...to have a big cruise ship...something like carnival cruises, do weekend or 5 day cruises on Lake Michigan. They can visit Milwaukee, Mackinac Island, and other popular tourist places on the large lake. And have its main docking station be somewhere around Navy Pier. Or even just making it a "Great Lakes Cruise" starting in Chicago and possibly going to Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, and ending in Toronto?

Haha what future thinking!

Via Chicago Aug 20, 2008 10:01 PM

That proposal was mind-bogglingly atrocious, and thankfully it will likely never see the light of day.

ChiPhi Mar 13, 2012 4:18 AM

Give this thread the old Bump
 
I thought someone should revive this thread seeing as how there has been a giant competition going on now for moths over the redesign of Navy Pier. Though the budget is only 80 mil, to designs look the be in the billions. Will anything (if ever decided on) even be built?

Here is a little BK article about the lack of a decision on the final design so far. The biggest surprise so far was Jeane Gang's early elimination.

wrab Mar 13, 2012 3:55 PM

^ The competition entries are also on display in the Santa Fe Building's light court (adjacent to the CAFs Model City).

ChiPhi Mar 16, 2012 2:58 AM

New Navy Pier Plans
 
No one seems to care, I'll head over to the general developments and see if I can drum up some interest, but the winner of the competition for the renovation of Navy Pier has been announced. See a writeup here and here by BK. Alot of New York Firms in the mix, but whatever...

mr1138 Mar 16, 2012 5:16 AM

Can't speak for the rest of the forum, but I usually completely miss absolutely everything that is going on in Chicago because of the way everything gets lumped into the "general developments" thread and it takes a LONG time to sort through. I don't know how that tradition got started, but I sorta wish the Chicago folks would split it up and create separate threads for each project...

For example, with New York, I always check in on news on Brooklyn Bridge Park, Atlantic Yards, and the High Line; but I ignore the threads on most other projects (except occasionally checking in on longer-term projects like Hudson Yards) because there is A LOT going on across the world, and frankly, I only have time to check in on projects that are of interest to me for some reason. I'm sure there are some great things going on in a world class city like Chicago, but every time I've opened the "General Developments" page I have to sort through page after page of discussion about stuff I am unfamiliar with and lack any context for understanding. At least when each project has its own thread, you can go back to the first post and get an idea of what the project is about.

Funny thing is I usually completely forget Chicago is actively discussed on this forum unless something reminds me... I was reminded this time when I checked this thread because it looked like something "new" (or at least recently bumped) and read ChiPhi's comment. I suppose with only 30 posts to your account you probably aren't the best one to complain to about this, but rather than assuming nobody cares about Chicago and its developments, maybe the Chicago posters should realize that their city would get more attention on here if they'd just break up that stupid "General Developments" thread.

ardecila Mar 16, 2012 6:01 AM

Most of the people discussing Chicago are Chicagoans. We like having a relatively small number of threads to check, because that saves time when checking the forums and allows us to have open discussions with less fear of going off-topic.

I can speak for New Orleans, too... when we had a jumble of different threads, there were maybe three regular posters and I was the only person actually living in the city. After we centralized things into the City Compilations thread, we formed a robust community with 15-20 members who post regularly. Given the relative lack of highrise development, we usually feel free to discuss any and all forms of urban development including retail, parks, transportation, economics, etc all in the same thread.

It seems like New York by having a constellation of threads attracts a lot of people who are interested in updates but don't contribute to a larger discussion, either because they don't live in New York or because they are constrained by the narrow topic of each thread.

mr1138 Mar 17, 2012 1:46 AM

The Denver folks discuss local issues in the way you're talking about on the regional forum... thought this section of the forum was meant for showing off what your city is doing to the rest of the skyscraperpage community. I didn't realize extensive discussion was required to justify a project specific thread. You guys are of course free to do whatever you want, I'm just saying, the Chicago thread attracts mostly Chicagoans because nobody else has the time to sort through the discussion. As a result, the rest of us don't really know what's going on in Chicago.

ardecila Mar 17, 2012 5:52 AM

Yeah... for the Boom Rundown at least, we tried to remedy that by putting a complete list of all proposals and U/C in the first post of the thread, so non-Chicagoans could see all of the major projects at once. But constantly editing that first post became a pain both for the OP and the mods.

The general developments thread was intended for neighborhood development and other sorts of small-scale projects where we can just discuss them casually without worrying about every little detail of financing drama and construction minutiae. We don't necessarily even follow projects from start to finish.

I approve of the Navy Pier thread, though. It's a big project with a well-known design team and it will become very visible and well-known, even to tourists. Part of the rationale for the revamp is to bring Chicagoans back to the pier, though.

spyguy Apr 3, 2012 5:03 AM

Chicago Shakespeare Theater expansion proposal
 
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8...akespeare1.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1577/shakespeare2.jpg

ChiPhi Apr 3, 2012 6:05 AM

^^^^
Looks really great. I think the slightly deconstructivist look, yet incredibly simple glass curtain wall would look amazing. Any idea of how this will look in the larger plan? What does this change? Was this the plan that had that weird opening roof thing that the theater people disliked?

ardecila Apr 3, 2012 6:30 AM

Oh boy... this looks like a student project, or at least a competition entry.

Hazy, atmospheric rendering? Check.
No means of structural support? Check.
Unrealistic degree of transparency? Check.
Lots of figures standing around doing nothing? Check.

If the handrails were missing, I'd get a bingo.

Nowhereman1280 Apr 3, 2012 1:39 PM

^^^ I generally agree with what you are saying, but there are pretty clearly structural collumns visible through the glass, they are just set back about 15 feet from the glass suggesting a cantilevered floor plate.

But yeah, the "glass" appears to have no realistic detail to it and is really hard to discern given the fuzzy rendering.

spyguy Apr 3, 2012 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiPhi (Post 5652065)
^^^^
Any idea of how this will look in the larger plan? What does this change? Was this the plan that had that weird opening roof thing that the theater people disliked?

I'm not sure how this will integrate into the larger Navy Pier masterplan that they've selected, but the Shakespeare Theater announced a long time ago that their expansion was going to be handled by Trahan Architects.

As for the rendering, take it up with these folks. I'm guessing most students would kill for that client list.

sentinel Apr 3, 2012 3:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyguy (Post 5652339)
I'm not sure how this will integrate into the larger Navy Pier masterplan that they've selected, but the Shakespeare Theater announced a long time ago that their expansion was going to be handled by Trahan Architects.

As for the rendering, take it up with these folks. I'm guessing most students would kill for that client list.

Thanks for the images spyguy, looks pretty cool. Do you if the Shakespeare Theater has said anything about timeline or even funding for the expansion?

Rizzo Apr 3, 2012 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280 (Post 5652235)
^^^ I generally agree with what you are saying, but there are pretty clearly structural collumns visible through the glass, they are just set back about 15 feet from the glass suggesting a cantilevered floor plate.

But yeah, the "glass" appears to have no realistic detail to it and is really hard to discern given the fuzzy rendering.

Sometimes glass rendered "as is" doesn't make the money shot. So it'll get touched up to look more transparent than it is and glow as well. Though there's actually ways to make glass look like that in real life with acid etch treatments and cleverly placed floor lighting.

ChiPhi Apr 3, 2012 6:09 PM

I'm not sure if the glass can be achieved as is, but that rippling with the subtle colorations is totally different than anything I've seen. Looking at the graphics firms website, many of their images look similarly hazy. I wonder how much of that coloration is what the glass may look (or might have looked) like and what is simply silly rendering...

Rizzo Apr 3, 2012 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiPhi (Post 5652505)
I'm not sure if the glass can be achieved as is, but that rippling with the subtle colorations is totally different than anything I've seen. Looking at the graphics firms website, many of their images look similarly hazy. I wonder how much of that coloration is what the glass may look (or might have looked) like and what is simply silly rendering...

To answer your question honestly...it's for effect. It doesn't mean it's literal. You see this rendering style done a lot for cultural or educational projects. As ardecila pointed out, it's a favorite image quality among young designers, but it's become more mainstream with larger firms. I personally like it. It's a return of artistic styles that had been lost when water/prisma color and sketch drawings were replaced with 3D renderings which delivered photo realistic imagery. The latest industry trend is more toward surreal scenery comprised of post-render photo collaging, layering and color tweaking

Though I think the glass may look different if this project becomes reality, it doesn't mean it's impossible to achieve. You can use butt-joint glazing to reduce mullion visibility and a variety of acid-etch treatments applied in gradient patterns to create those darker shades near those bending points. The way acid-etched glass refracts light makes it appear it's glowing. Using appropriate directional lighting and color temperature you can get that nice warm glow effect.

But there is alot of information left out, because it's just a concept or marketing image. The real details will be conveyed through construction documents. For example, railings can be done as a simple piece of glass, but they'll require standoffs mounted at the bottom, connecting to the slab...and obviously they aren't visible.

Nowhereman1280 Apr 3, 2012 7:50 PM

Question: would this 'design' also house the expanded Children's Museum? I was trying to figure out what they are going to put in this massive thing, but that would explain it if it included added space for the Children's museum.

Looking at what details we do have on it, it seems like this could be quite a striking design. It appears to be massed like an accordion with alternating "folds" of glass. They probably don't have the details of the facade worked out which would explain the fudging on the rendering.

PS, really big renderings here:

http://www.by-encore.com/archives/1274

ardecila Apr 3, 2012 8:29 PM

I didn't realize this was a Trahan project. They do awesome work, but it's a bit odd to see them working in Chicago - they're based in Baton Rouge. They're sorta split between a stadiums side where they do some fairly average university-athletic stuff and then a boutique architecture side where they do this awesome avant-garde stuff. As far as I know, it's the same people doing both kinds of projects.

This is another project of theirs with similar rippled cladding. As you can see, there's a double-wall system with traditional glass on the inside. I'm guessing the rippled material is ETFE, with negative air pressure inside the cavity so the surface is concave. You can tint the ETFE, screen-print a frit onto it, and then you can overlay that on top of whatever treatments are done to the glass behind.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5594/trahan.jpg

Ch.G, Ch.G Apr 3, 2012 9:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 5652769)
I didn't realize this was a Trahan project. They do awesome work, but it's a bit odd to see them working in Chicago - they're based in Baton Rouge.

According to their website, they have a location in Chicago?

Rizzo Apr 4, 2013 2:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfchi (Post 6077384)
It's been a year. Still no news?

I was wondering the same recently. Haven't heard anything and I did do some quick searches. The official page on Navy Pier's website for the future vision has no mention of updates, just the 2012 design team selection.

wierdaaron Apr 4, 2013 5:56 AM

Seems like a good article pitch. Shouldn't take too much digging to find at least some kind of an update. Is someone dropping the ball? Did money fall through? Was the proposal contest a big fat scam? Did Rahm kill it?

rgolch Apr 4, 2013 8:10 PM

James Corner Pier Redesigns
 
I didn't see any images on this thread of the James Corner Navy Pier redesigns, so I thought I'd just post them:

http://imageshack.us/a/img707/3240/j...eldoperati.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img543/6527/j...navypier11.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img849/8978/j...navypier14.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img802/7123/j...navypier13.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img35/6383/ja...navypier12.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img707/20/jam...navypier10.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img407/911/ja...rnavypier9.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img23/5002/ja...rnavypier8.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/5783/j...rnavypier7.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/1361/j...rnavypier6.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img221/2708/j...rnavypier5.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img585/6696/j...rnavypier4.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/2504/j...rnavypier3.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img221/9696/j...rnavypier2.jpg


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