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BraveNewWorld May 25, 2012 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5713371)
It doesn't look to be 14 million square feet anymore, not even half that. If it wasn't a proposal then why did they go to all the trouble to make a video about it and change the massing of the building? I've also heard the project is set to go through an approval process sometime this year, but I can't verify that, I'll go look through SSC to see where that piece of information was.

I don't know why there would be all this hype if there was no actual plan to go through with it. I'm not saying it's likely to happen, but a vision means that it is pure fantasy, this is a feasable project.

Exactly

lawfin May 26, 2012 2:20 AM

The naive fanboysim on display is appalling. It ain't going to happen, it ain't feasible. Put it sure seems it will create quite a few wet dreams for certain forumers.

Nowhereman1280 May 26, 2012 2:38 AM

^^^ Welcome to the new SSP, LOL.

They'll learn though. It's the next cycle and newbies are getting excited about the new projects, it's a good thing in the long run...

Zapatan May 26, 2012 3:06 AM

I never said it would happen, I just said no one can provide any actual evidence that it won't.

And how is it not feasible? Far fetched? maybe.. impossible? not at all

lawfin May 26, 2012 3:30 AM

fea·si·ble   [fee-zuh-buhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
capable of being done, effected, or accomplished: a feasible plan.
2.
probable; likely: a feasible theory.
3.
suitable: a road feasible for travel.

Ch.G, Ch.G May 26, 2012 8:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawfin (Post 5713502)
The naive fanboysim on display is appalling.

You're being generous. I'd call it aggressive ignorance.

BraveNewWorld May 26, 2012 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ch.G, Ch.G (Post 5713699)
You're being generous. I'd call it aggressive ignorance.

We aren't saying it's likely, we are just saying that technically it is an proposal, and should be moved to the proposal section.

Zapatan May 26, 2012 7:19 PM

Quote:

The naive fanboysim on display is appalling.
unless you can tell me why this proposal is impossible, I will continue assuming that it is a proposal even if an unlikely one.

no one has yet to say why, that's what I asked and you didn't answer my question.

jd3189 May 26, 2012 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5713926)
unless you can tell me why this proposal is impossible, I will continue assuming that it is a proposal even if an unlikely one.

no one has yet to say why, that's what I asked and you didn't answer my question.

I guess they believe that like the Spire, this will not have a chance.

Buckman821 May 26, 2012 8:22 PM

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0jz3novys1r8ffrs.jpg

If you can't beat em join em:

This will look great on the skyline! Total GAME CHANGER! Can't wait for construction to start.

EAT YOUR HEART OUT DUBAI!

:banana::banana::banana:

lawfin May 26, 2012 9:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5713926)
unless you can tell me why this proposal is impossible, I will continue assuming that it is a proposal even if an unlikely one.

no one has yet to say why, that's what I asked and you didn't answer my question.

ECON 101

The question was answered it was implicit.

lawfin May 26, 2012 9:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckman821 (Post 5713959)
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0jz3novys1r8ffrs.jpg

If you can't beat em join em:

This will look great on the skyline! Total GAME CHANGER! Can't wait for construction to start.

EAT YOUR HEART OUT DUBAI!

:banana::banana::banana:

Pretty much number 1:cool:

Zapatan May 26, 2012 10:35 PM

yea ok...

here's a vidoe about it from last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13FnuKo9b8Q

Zapatan May 26, 2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jd3189 (Post 5713942)
I guess they believe that like the Spire, this will not have a chance.

I thought that was actually cancelled though with a very small chance of coming back to life.

Kngkyle May 26, 2012 10:54 PM

I think phase 1 isn't THAT unrealistic. Now phase 2 and phase 3... that might be another story.

nomarandlee May 26, 2012 11:16 PM

I could see some incarnation of plan two (probably with reduced height of the south tower) happen as well if all the stars align with a casino or other entertainment and retail venues sign on.

The 3rd phase east complex across the river is what brings the whole enterprise into totally fantasy land to me.

Roadcruiser1 May 27, 2012 12:17 AM

So from what I can get. They want to build this building so it would follow the old saying "Build it and they will come". Doesn't sound so bad to me.

Zapatan May 27, 2012 2:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kngkyle (Post 5714061)
I think phase 1 isn't THAT unrealistic. Now phase 2 and phase 3... that might be another story.

well if you're referring to the original plan in the video I posted it's been changed and is much smaller yet still containing a 400+ meter building, but it's obviously just a placeholder.

I just still don't see how this is a fantasy if they're actively trying to get approval from the city.

Chicago_Forever May 27, 2012 3:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jd3189 (Post 5713942)
I guess they believe that like the Spire, this will not have a chance.

Wrong...try again! The Spire was a real project and was more than just a proposal. I guess people forgot that the Spire sold a 3rd of its 1200 condos in just three or four months. If the world economy didn't fall off a cliff at the end of 2008 the Spire would have been built by now. Also, the Spire was in the planning stages for years. Only if it had been started about a year or so earlier the outcome could have been different. I remember reading an article where the developer of Lakeshore East said that if he had started moving on Aqua a few months later than he did it wouldn't have happened.

Anyway, most people don't think this project is for real for good reasons. I think it's possible if done in stages but even then it would still be almost impossible considering the size of it and the amount of competition, both present and future, in the surrounding area. I don't even think the city will allow the developer to make all those changes to the Old post office. And the sky bridge or whatever it is over the river is also questionable. I don't know if the city would allow that either. I think a lot of changes will have to be made before anyone thakes this development seriously.

Zapatan May 27, 2012 4:33 AM

^I still don't understand why they just don't continue the spire construction when the economy gets better if it was so succesful. What will they do with that big hole in the ground?

But as for this... The project has been scaled down clearly, it's not unrealistically large anymore, which means that it might be somewhat serious. They are trying to get the city's approval, so I don't see any big obstacle, Chicago has always been a YIMBY city. As for demand and competition they clearly state in the video that they will wait for demand to improve, I don't think they're trying to build this right now.


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