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ethereal_reality May 9, 2013 3:08 AM

:previous: Cool illustration of the New Chinatown Matthew. I haven't seen it before.
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below: Here's our China City 'mystery' tower that we've been trying to place. Thank you FredH.

http://imageshack.us/a/img199/1166/a...acitytower.jpg



for comparison's sake
http://imageshack.us/a/img9/9711/aabkodachrome1essp.jpg
ebay

Flyingwedge May 9, 2013 3:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6120822)
one more time.
http://imageshack.us/a/img9/9711/aabkodachrome1essp.jpg
ebay

That's definitely the same 'tower' Flyingwedge. Why do you think it's in a different location?
The blocks in the pavement look the same.
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By the way, your post on the San Pedro Palms was amazing.

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9499bcbb.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00101/00101130.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psab651e35.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102400.jpg

Thanks! I meant that Mei Wing seems to have moved within China City. In the color photo, it's located in a one-story building next to the pagoda -- where the striped awning is in the B/W photo of the Main Street entrance. But in the B/W photos, Mei Wing is in the bottom of a two-story building with a balcony, which is not in evidence in the color photo.

ethereal_reality May 9, 2013 3:27 AM

An interesting comparison between New Chinatown and China City.

http://imageshack.us/a/img705/8826/aabchinacity1940.jpg
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belmont bob May 9, 2013 3:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6121076)
OK, I just found this great old post concerning China City.

My first remembered visit to Philippe’s was as a very young lad c. 1947/48 or so at the former location on Aliso Street opposite Union Station yard. I have a very clear recollection of old men wearing bib overalls and engineers caps and really impressed with all the railroad atmosphere. Haha, however at that age I had no idea what atmosphere was. Although the French Dips are still wonderful, the new (current) location has never invoked the same powerful memory as that time so long ago.

lemster2024 May 9, 2013 5:36 AM

More on Mei Wing and China City
 
srk1941's reference to Bridging the Centuries: History of Chinese Americans in Southern California (Chinese Historical Society Los Angeles, 2001) is a good source of information on China City. It includes a schematic map of the shops in China City, recreated by memory of former shop owners and local residents. What the map shows is that there is a large Mei Wing store opposite the pagoda on Dragon Way, and a Mae (sic) Wing Gift Store/Aquarium Art Store located by the pagoda. In an initial draft/recreation of the map (1981), the pagoda area was described as a general "bazaar" area just inside the Main Street entrance (ref: The Lonely Queue, Icy Smith, 2000). What I take away from this is simply two Mei Wing stores: a larger storefront business on Dragon Way, and a smaller, satellite operation next to the pagoda. This may have occurred after the first fire destroyed the center part of China City; some vendors may have moved out and Mei Wing took over the space to maintain the image of all stores being occupied...just my $0.02 on this...I'd include a scan of the map, but out of respect for copyright guidelines when it comes to books on the thread...

Flyingwedge May 9, 2013 7:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lemster2024 (Post 6121247)
srk1941's reference to Bridging the Centuries: History of Chinese Americans in Southern California (Chinese Historical Society Los Angeles, 2001) is a good source of information on China City. It includes a schematic map of the shops in China City, recreated by memory of former shop owners and local residents. What the map shows is that there is a large Mei Wing store opposite the pagoda on Dragon Way, and a Mae (sic) Wing Gift Store/Aquarium Art Store located by the pagoda. In an initial draft/recreation of the map (1981), the pagoda area was described as a general "bazaar" area just inside the Main Street entrance (ref: The Lonely Queue, Icy Smith, 2000). What I take away from this is simply two Mei Wing stores: a larger storefront business on Dragon Way, and a smaller, satellite operation next to the pagoda. This may have occurred after the first fire destroyed the center part of China City; some vendors may have moved out and Mei Wing took over the space to maintain the image of all stores being occupied...just my $0.02 on this...I'd include a scan of the map, but out of respect for copyright guidelines when it comes to books on the thread...

Thank you for checking into the two Mei Wings. Your two cents makes sense. :)

MichaelRyerson May 9, 2013 3:13 PM

Here's our mystery tower in 1939 with some identifying information in the caption.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7394/8...cc1c0159_b.jpg
China City, 1939

Chinatown in Los Angeles, Jenny Cho and the Chinese Historical Society of Southern California
Arcadia Publishing, 2009

I take this to mean the tower survived the fire but not the restaurant. The tower then went on to a second life attached to the Mei Wing Company.

Chuckaluck May 9, 2013 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6081364)



1934 - 6365 Hollywood Boulevard
(Stationers Corporation, Kelly Music and Hindin's)

Interesting how many guy wires were anchored to the building's facade. Tasteful/artistic lettering identifies the businesses within.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...2FKDGJLTU7.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...2FKDGJLTU7.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...EFNEA9SA7R.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...EFNEA9SA7R.jpg



Hardly any resemblance to the facade at the same location today.
http://cbk1.google.com/cbk?output=th...=1&w=300&h=118http://cbk1.google.com/cbk?output=th...=1&w=300&h=118








Hollywood's answer to the Trevi, or an accommodation for Tom Mix's Tony - when Musso's was too busy?

In the first image, toward the bottom right in front of Hindin's, is a pediment that looks like a fountain or water trough. Never noticed anything like this on H Boulevard before. Wonder who would have been responsible for it's placement and maintenance. Were there more, and if so, where?

Second picture makes a good case for whitewall tires. :)

http://albertwhitman.files.wordpress...over.jpg?w=640http://albertwhitman.files.wordpress...over.jpg?w=640



5070 Hollywood Blvd? (Hollywood and Normandy)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics42/00070900.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics42/00070900.jpg

Chuckaluck May 9, 2013 4:26 PM

Mixville and Mixville Market

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At the Edendale lot Mix built a 12-acre (49,000 m2) shooting set called Mixville. Loaded with western props and furnishings, it has been described as a "complete frontier town, with a dusty street, hitching rails, a saloon, jail, bank, doctor's office, surveyor's office, and the simple frame houses typical of the early Western era." Near the back of the lot an Indian village of lodges was ringed by miniature plaster mountains which on screen were said to be "ferociously convincing." The set also included a simulated desert, large corral and a ranch house with no roof, to facilitate interior shots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Mix

1933 Fletcher Drive - Silverlake
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics33/00066482.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics33/00066482.jpg


1925
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...m_Mix_1925.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...m_Mix_1925.jpg

BifRayRock May 9, 2013 5:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5613768)
The Baltimore Hotel....Absolutely Fireproof!

http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/BaltHo.jpghttp://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal1a.html

"Baltimore Hotel, at the southwest corner of Fifth and Los Angeles Streets. Formerly, the Baltimore Hotel was at the northeast corner of Olive and 7th, on the other side of the downtown area; this new edition of the Baltimore Hotel was built in 1910. Two buildings to the right—that is, west on Fifth Street—we see a brick building with white oriel windows projecting. This is the Charnock Block, built April to October 1889, and located at the southeast corner of Fifth and Main Streets."

From A Visit to Old Los Angeles.





The Charnock Block, or more specifically, the Charnock Building (1889) was mentioned in the news recently. http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,2565134.story

5th and Main -
http://www.trbimg.com/img-518af5b0/t...130508-001/600http://www.trbimg.com/img-518af5b0/t...130508-001/600

Charnock Block - 1971
http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb1/00017099.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb1/00017099.jpg



BifRayRock May 9, 2013 6:44 PM





This Packard Dealership should be an easy find. Born 1930.

Source notes indicate Hollywood location built for Douglas M. Longyear. Longyear did have a dealership at 7030 Hollywood Blvd. (adjacent to the Hollywood Roosevelt) However, current structure's dramatically different looks suggests otherwise. Photo 2 appears to include the Storage Building (1025 N Highland) and the gas storage tank near Santa Monica and Formosa - making the location further east. Could this have been at 6157 Hollywood Blvd -? (Other nearby Packard Dealerships were at 825 S. Western, 419 S La Brea and 735 S. La Brea) **



August 1930
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...B3MC1DUH4I.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...B3MC1DUH4I.jpg


September 1930 (Storage Building on Highland and Gas Tank near Formosa and Santa Monica in background?)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...GLA9IS3TN8.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...GLA9IS3TN8.jpg


December 1930
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...H5MLMVVSTH.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...H5MLMVVSTH.jpg


**Hillcrest Motors was determined to be at 6154 Hollywood Blvd. http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=11935
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics04/00021546.jpg

Interesting similarity to Cord's showroom on Wilshire http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2135
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...QKnIZfH63B_1CH


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Tom Mix seemed to like Packards and Cords. :previous:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8454/8...5d83b662_c.jpg




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DrXZMmRsPT...nd+his+car.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DrXZMmRsPT...nd+his+car.jpg


http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...1&d=1278361970http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...1&d=1278361970



Guess he liked Lincolns too.:blink:
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6_...mic/TomMix.jpghttp://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6_...mic/TomMix.jpg


KevinW May 9, 2013 8:58 PM

Guess he liked Lincolns too.:blink:
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6_...mic/TomMix.jpghttp://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6_...mic/TomMix.jpg

Was Tom Mix a midget or is this just a huge car?

ethereal_reality May 9, 2013 9:02 PM

:previous: lol. -I wondered the same thing. That ginormous hat doesn't help matters.


http://imageshack.us/a/img823/5668/a...t50stateso.jpg
http://50statesorless.com/photos/152

Tom Mix was known as an extraordinary spender of money. He had special tires made for his cars with the letters TM in the treads so that he would leave behind his initials on dirt roads.(I've heard this numerous times over the years)

Also, his mansion in Hollywood had a giant neon sign over it that said The Tom Mix Mansion. (if this were true, you would think one of us would have come across a photograph by now) Has anyone else heard about the neon sign?
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MichaelRyerson May 9, 2013 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 6122052)
Guess he liked Lincolns too.:blink:
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6_...mic/TomMix.jpghttp://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6_...mic/TomMix.jpg

Was Tom Mix a midget or is this just a huge car?


Listed at 6' on IMdB. Some cars of the period were huge. Then again, IMdB has been known to be wrong.

ethereal_reality May 9, 2013 10:01 PM

The Fine Arts Building with the famous reclining nudes. Note the vertical Pig N' Whistle sign.

http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8722/a...ildingtumb.jpg
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/los%20angeles

BifRayRock May 9, 2013 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6122064)
Listed at 6' on IMdB. Some cars of the period were huge. Then again, IMdB has been known to be wrong.





Bow ties can be deceptive. :bowtie:

The TM Museum lists Tom at 5'8". No mention of stocking feet or custom boots.:shrug: http://www.tommixmuseum.com/#!about-tom/cwvn


Some of Tom's unverified residences: ( http://movielanddirectory.com/star.cfm?star=58665 ):

1916 - 24348 WALNUT STREET – NEWHALL

MIXVILLE - 2480 TEVIOT STREET – GLENDALE

1918 – 1920
1614 GOLDEN GATE AVENUE – SILVER LAKE Address could be wrong considering number on house looks like "41."
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics42/00070900.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics42/00070900.jpg



1920s
2401 LAUREL CANYON BLVD Mix bought the Laurel Tavern and turned it into his home.


http://seastwood.com/backup310/images/LaurTavEd624.gifhttp://seastwood.com/backup310/images/LaurTavEd624.gif

1919 – 1922

5841 CARLTON WAY, LOS ANGELES

1018 SUMMIT DRIVE – BEVERLY HILLS (Also listed as 1010)

Late '20s ??
Cahuenga Pass - 3456 Floyd Terrace (?)
http://www.houses.com/Images/tom_mix_home7.jpghttp://www.houses.com/Images/tom_mix_home7.jpg

1930 - 1330 SCHUYLER ROAD – BEVERLY HILLS

1936 - 4040 STANSBURY AVENUE, SHERMAN OAKS

1930s – 1940 ARLETA - CANTERBURY AVENUE AND OSBORNE STREET



Summit Drive ?
http://www.image-archeology.com/Home..._Calif_A81.jpghttp://www.image-archeology.com/Home..._Calif_A81.jpg


http://ruxtons.com/images/IG192-4.jpghttp://ruxtons.com/images/IG192-4.jpg




BifRayRock May 9, 2013 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6122107)
The Fine Arts Building with the famous reclining nudes. Note the vertical Pig N' Whistle sign.

http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8722/a...ildingtumb.jpg
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/los%20angeles



:photographer:more here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9846


JScott May 9, 2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6122112)


1920s
2401 LAUREL CANYON BLVD Mix bought the Laurel Tavern and turned it into his home.

http://seastwood.com/backup310/images/LaurTavEd624.gifhttp://seastwood.com/backup310/images/LaurTavEd624.gif


Wasn't this also Frank Zappa's home at one point?

lemster2024 May 9, 2013 11:00 PM

One last word on the Sunset Hotel and China City...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6120844)
This is for MichaelRyerson, lemster2024 and bighen. :)


cracked glass slide
http://imageshack.us/a/img32/3716/aa...etsanferna.jpg
found on an old cd of mine

The Sunset/Hill Hotel and the San Fernando Hotel and points beyond...including a bridge.
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A final word about what's left of the Sunset Hotel: I was in Chinatown this morning and stopped by the gated storefront and saw a workman inside. Unfortunately, neither my powers of persuasion nor my broken Chinese were enough to persuade him to let me in, but he did allow me to stick my camera phone in thru the gates to get a few shots of the interior. The herb store closed not too long ago, and from what I could translate, it will soon be replaced by either a gift store or another Chinese BBQ place...the workman said he was not sure, he was only there to patch up holes and install drywall.
I showed him some of the old pics of the Sunset and San Fernando, and he initially eyed them with some degree of skepticism; when I showed him the pattern of windows of the south wall, he reluctantly agreed it was the same building. He also said he thought there was a basement, but he was only to work on the ground floor and hadn't checked any further.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9296/img0716ar.jpg http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8009/img0713ag.jpghttp://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6283/img0715ae.jpg
my photos

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Across the street, the only reminder of China City still visible at the site, mounted on a cinderblock wall, in the parking lot for Phillippe's:

in 1983:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2...anghai1983.jpg
LAPL archive (link unavailable)

today:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6844/img0701aac.jpg
my photo

Such is progress...
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...and that "bridge", e_r, visible in your photo of the two hotels? From the angle of sight, based on the location of the Sunset/San Fernando, and the relative proximity, my guess is that it is the railroad trestle off to the NE, crossing the river, near Bolero Lane:

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4466/trestlea.jpg
Bing streetview

ethereal_reality May 9, 2013 11:17 PM

:previous: I am surprised the neon Shanghai Street sign is still in place after all these years. -good find lemster2024.

also..thx for locating the bridge (near Bolero Lane) -much appreciated. :)
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I recently came across some information that the San Fernando Hotel was originally built as the Tononi Block. (I've never heard this before)
here's the link:
http://losangelesrevisited.blogspot....hina-city.html

(they also have my cracked glass slide)


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