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ethereal_reality Feb 3, 2013 12:32 AM

the 'mystery' Zanja
http://imageshack.us/a/img825/3572/a...huntington.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img254/5361/a...alzan1info.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12168


Quote:

Originally Posted by procab (Post 5997854)
This is the Los Angeles Water Co ditch close to the intersection of Stadium Way and I-5. The ditch was ~30-40 ft above the fields below and most likely survives today.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f9...lysianPark.jpg



I believe this might be a section of the abandoned zanja.

http://imageshack.us/a/img831/8291/a...apossibly1.jpg
google aerial



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tovangar2 Feb 3, 2013 12:37 AM

S Sepulveda
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5998069)
We used to eat lunch at that Italian restaurant when I worked for Lorimar. I had forgotten about it until I saw your photograph.
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--...042%2520PM.jpg
gsv

Nothing much ever seems to change along that strip of S Sepulveda. Notice the establishment to the right of the restaurant. It's now been in business for 50 years, but they've never gotten around to changing their "over 30 years" sign, which, I admit, is technically still correct.

Krell58 Feb 3, 2013 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadyguy (Post 5998067)
I appreciate all the information on the "Second Hill Street Tunnel and looks like it may have been longer than any of the other tunnels. ?
If there are any photos of the entrances up close I would love to see them also!

Here's a couple of screen grabs on my Flickr page, this is the south end of the Hill St. tunnel as it was rendered in LA Noire.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8094/8...93d582ae8b.jpg
Hill St. tunnel from South end by krell58, on Flickr

Here's the North end of the tunnel. The road to the left of the tunnel is Fort Moore Place that leads up to Fort Moore Hill.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8...ef1ca59e39.jpg
Hill St. tunnel from North end by krell58, on Flickr

The longest subway tunnel on LA Noire runs from the Subway Terminal Building at Hill and 4th. St. to The Belmont/Toluca Sub Station at W. 2nd and S. Toluca St. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont...ation_and_Yard

Eric

tovangar2 Feb 3, 2013 12:52 AM

La
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Krell58 (Post 5998535)
What a great thread!! I started reading it at 10 pages per day, and got to the current pages about a month ago. I've never been to LA though.
Eric

You know, when I was a little kid, I thought all the film and television product turned out here was for local consumption and other cities had their own. It wasn't until I was a bit older that I realized "Hollywood" meant something to people everywhere. I'm still a bit amazed about that. So thank you for your interest in my sometimes intensely annoying, but always loved, hometown. It's this thread that reminds me it is interesting here and makes me love it even more. I'm very grateful for it.

Where are you from?

Welcome from T2

tovangar2 Feb 3, 2013 1:14 AM

FT Moore Hill Waterfall
 
2013 is the year an environmental study is supposed to be done re getting the Memorial waterfall turned back on. I dunno what I think about this as I don't particularly like the Memorial and prefer the money was spent on rehabbing the river or uncovering some of our natural water sources.

http://blogdowntown.com/2011/01/5900...ration-planned

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b...228%2520PM.jpg
phantomlosangeles

CASIGNS Feb 3, 2013 1:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 5997546)
CASIGNS (Brian) can tell you better, but in the early days of traffic there were no signs, signals, or any helpful things for handling traffic. Signs were placed by concerned citizens than by auto clubs and eventually by government. Signals were developed by companies and sold to municipalities of which they varied greatly. The Automobile Club of So Cal was instrumental in this development and placement. It was a time of " let's try this, let's try that" till they found what works. This was an early way of handling the traffic at the time, it worked for them but not when cars got more popular.

I agree with Hollywood Graham’s comments, the ACSC was certainly the leader in traffic signs and safety devices. Their early signs are great.
I think this is the ACSC early attempt at traffic regulation at this intersection. And it was easy, just one signal right in the middle of the street!

CASIGNS Feb 3, 2013 1:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5997170)
CASIGNS or Hollywood Graham, I wanted to ask you about this sign/signal.

http://imageshack.us/a/img825/8508/a...lpasadena1.jpg
unknown



Then I realized this unique traffic signal has appeared earlier in the thread.

here by sopas_ej. Pasadena at Colorado Blvd. and Fair Oaks Ave.
http://imageshack.us/a/img577/9785/a...opashuntin.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4403


GaylordWilshire mentions it was built by Waterhouse Co. in Alhambra
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4405

this 'bango-shaped' signal posted by GW includes the name of the street, La Brea Ave.
http://imageshack.us/a/img51/6638/aabsignalsspgw.jpg

as well as instructions..."No U Turn".


So do either of you know any other details about the sign and how it worked?
Was it like a semaphore except enclosed in a circular frame? What parts lit up?
I also notice that the red & green lights (I'm guessing the color) are horizontal and beneath the circle in the first two photos
and vertical and inside the circle in the last photo.
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That is one interesting looking signal, and I am sorry to say, I have no information at all on it. Perhaps made for a special location or crossing. It has elements of the more traditional Acme Signal used so much in Los Angeles. Maybe Pasadena wanted a signal unique to their locale.

Krell58 Feb 3, 2013 2:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5998593)
You know, when I was a little kid, I thought all the film and television product turned out here was for local consumption and other cities had their own. It wasn't until I was a bit older that I realized "Hollywood" meant something to people everywhere. I'm still a bit amazed about that. So thank you for your interest in my sometimes intensely annoying, but always loved, hometown. It's this thread that reminds me it is interesting here and makes me love it even more. I'm very grateful for it.

Where are you from?

Welcome from T2

I'm in South East Missouri, about 65 mi South of St.Louis. Growing up watching shows like Dragnet, Emergency and Adam-12, I thought LA had a flat terrain, except for the hills and canyons North of Hollywood. Then I found LA's just like here, hills hills, and more hills.

Eric

unihikid Feb 3, 2013 2:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5997706)
Allied Model Trains was on Pico near Westwood Blvd since 1946. In the 90s they built a nifty building in Culver City on Sepulveda at Barman. It was really surprisingly well done and I, for one, appreciated the landscaping. Now it's Samy's Camera where the clocks don't even run on time.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6...455%2520PM.jpg
gsv

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...313%2520PM.jpg
gsv

Some difficulty or other caused Allied to move across Barman to a smaller, older, but still nice, building:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...045%2520PM.jpg
gsv

The other one:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G...413%2520PM.jpg
wiki

well this was my first job,i worked after school from 4 to 6,and all day sat ..13 bucks an hr to play with trains! The first thing they told me when i started was to never accept checks from gary coleman! and guess who came in on my second day,he was into the "n" guarge stuff which are really small trains,but didnt buy anything.This was by far the best job ever,whenever a customer would come in and look at the display trains and wanted to see them run,my job was to put it on the test track and run it back and forth...thats all.The present store was the warehouse and it had about every single train toy from 1930 on.One day i had to grab a lionel set to restock,and it should of been a 10 min job,i ended up staying in the warehouse for an hr! The owner still owns the UP building and leases it out to Samys,the warehouse was purchased by the old time employees,where they run and manage the store.

tovangar2 Feb 3, 2013 3:11 AM

Allied Model Trains
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 5998676)
well this was my first job,i worked after school from 4 to 6,and all day sat ..13 bucks an hr to play with trains! The first thing they told me when i started was to never accept checks from gary coleman! and guess who came in on my second day,he was into the "n" guarge stuff which are really small trains,but didnt buy anything.This was by far the best job ever,whenever a customer would come in and look at the display trains and wanted to see them run,my job was to put it on the test track and run it back and forth...thats all.The present store was the warehouse and it had about every single train toy from 1930 on.One day i had to grab a lionel set to restock,and it should of been a 10 min job,i ended up staying in the warehouse for an hr! The owner still owns the UP building and leases it out to Samys,the warehouse was purchased by the old time employees,where they run and manage the store.

Thanks for that unihikid :-) When my younger kids were still into Brio trains, my older ones were nuts about building model landscapes (not involving trains) and Allied had a great selection of model building supplies (as well as Brio trains), so we haunted the place and spent a ton of money there. I was totally mesmerized by all the train layouts chugging around the store. Whooo-whoooo, click, click, click, click. Maybe you sold us something :-)

I'm glad Allied still owns the mini Union Station. I hope the business moves back into it someday. It was a fun place. They have a killer business card.

shadyguy Feb 3, 2013 3:52 AM

Great information !
Within the downtown & The Bunker Hill area, I am familiar with the 3rd & 4th street tunnels, Belmont, Broadway, Hill Street, & 2nd Hill Street tunnel.
Are there any more ?

Hollywood Graham Feb 3, 2013 3:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CASIGNS (Post 5998623)
That is one interesting looking signal, and I am sorry to say, I have no information at all on it. Perhaps made for a special location or crossing. It has elements of the more traditional Acme Signal used so much in Los Angeles. Maybe Pasadena wanted a signal unique to their locale.

I think that you are seeing two different models of the same signal. Which one is the most newer I don't know. I don't know if any were saved either. The Go and Stop rotated and the color of the lights changed. Pasadena and the area around MGM Studios had them.

ethereal_reality Feb 3, 2013 4:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krell58 (Post 5998645)
I'm in South East Missouri, about 65 mi South of St.Louis. Growing up watching shows like Dragnet, Emergency and Adam-12, I thought LA had a flat terrain, except for the hills and canyons North of Hollywood. Then I found LA's just like here, hills hills, and more hills.

Eric

Welcome to 'noirish Los Angeles' Eric! -hills, hills and more hills. I like that. :)
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FredH Feb 3, 2013 4:51 AM

I was cruising around Baist's 1921 Real Estate Atlas (thank you ProphetM) and I came across this cemetery on
North Broadway next to the Southern Pacific Rail Yard.

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/2...rycemetery.jpg
www.historicmapworks.com

Since I didn't recall a cemetery in the area, I checked Google Maps and found this:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3...highschool.jpg
google maps

A few years after Baist's Atlas was prepared, it seems the Catholic church decided to turn the cemetery into
a high school. All the bodies were dug up and moved to the "new" Calvary Cemetery in East L.A.
Cathedral High School now occupies the old graveyard area, and in recognition of their past, the sports teams
are nicknamed the Phantoms.

It also looks like St. Peter's Italian Church on Broadway was the Memorial Chapel shown on the 1921 map.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8518/chapelt.jpg
Google Street View

Flyingwedge Feb 3, 2013 1:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5998557)
...another example of a Corinthian columned apartment.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1...pt7thplace.jpg
los angeles public library

The Westmoore one last time.
http://imageshack.us/a/img259/8905/l...cmispelled.jpg

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That's too funny . . . I was planning on doing a post on that building and its environs, which I found when I was looking for the Westmoore. Anyway, in happier days, the Beck was known as the Schermerhorn:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps945846ab.jpg
LM Harnish (http://lmharnisch.blogspot.com/2007/...et-ragged.html)

I wouldn't have looked into it further, but I'd never heard of Potter Park Street. Was there a Potter Park? As it turns out, no, not exactly.

Shortly after arriving in Los Angeles in 1879, Alonzo C. Potter paid $8,000 for four acres of land stretching south and west from 7th and Figueroa (or Pearl or Grasshopper or whatever Figueroa was called then). Through the center of the property he opened Potter Park Avenue. His residence occupied grounds stretching from Potter Park Avenue to 8th and back (west) one block. The attractively landscaped grounds ("Potter Park") featured many flowers and trees, including what was reportedly the oldest rubber tree in Southern California.

Alonzo Potter belonged to the First Baptist Church, which from 1884-1898 met at 6th and Fort (later Broadway):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3e906008.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076399.jpg)

In 1887, Potter gave the church a Kilgen organ, at the time the largest in Southern California and the second largest in the state (http://database.organsociety.org/Sin...p?OrganID=8965). "Presented by A.C. Potter June 1887 in Memory of His Parents" is on the plaque above the organist's head in the photo below, showing the organ in its post-1898 home . . .
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9e21c72c.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076393.jpg)

. . . the First Baptist Church @ 725 S. Flower, pictured here about 1910:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps044f135d.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076389.jpg)
The organ did not move with the First Baptist Church to its current home in 1927, so I doubt it still exists.

Here's the area according to the 1909 Birdseye View of Los Angeles map:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psf797bd9b.jpg
Big Map Blog (http://www.bigmapblog.com/2011/birds...f-los-angeles/)

Here's the 1910 Baist Map. Seventh and Eighth Streets run east and west above and below Potter Park Avenue; Francisco and Figueroa are the north-south streets. Because a small square with an X indicates a stable, and because Alonzo Potter was fairly well off, I'm guessing his home was in Lot 12 on the NW corner of Potter Park and Figueroa:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps46fa58ff.jpg
Historic MapWorks (http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/19473/Plate+008/)

And for good measure, here's the 1914 Baist Map. The Aberdeen is still next to the Schermerhorn, but the building next to the Aberdeen has changed from the Melville to the Covington:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8b8ac562.jpg
Historic MapWorks (http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/19098/Plate+008/)

Unfortunately, I could not find a picture of the Potter home. The closest I came was this 1907 view looking west:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psd482febf.jpg
USC Digital Library (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/1586/rec/50)
The First Baptist Church on Flower is in the middle of the picture. Perhaps the roof just to the left of the church steeple is the Potter home on Figueroa? The Westmoore can be seen in the distance, but no Schermerhorn.

After selling off most of his original four acres, Alonzo C. Potter died at his Figueroa home December 9, 1912, at age 78. His daughter, Katherine, who had been widowed November 1, 1912, subsequently married former Los Angeles Mayor (1916-1919) Frederick T. Woodman. They and Alonzo's widow, Della, were living at 514 S. Shatto Place (house no longer there) in 1930 when Della died. Sometime in the 1930s, Potter Park Avenue was renamed 7th Place.
[Potter biographical info from "A History of California and an Extended History of Los Angeles and Environs, Volume 2" by James Miller Guinn (Historical Record Company, Los Angeles, 1915) http://books.google.com/books?id=0hc...ngeles&f=false AND also here: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=87208600]

Here's the 1921 Baist Map. The Potter home has been replaced by an overall factory (at first I thought, "As opposed to what, a specific factory?"):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a35d7e5.jpg
USCDL

The overall factory is the 1920 John Parkinson-designed Brownstein-Louis Building (Brownstein-Louis was a men's garment manufacturer). Here it is in 1926, looking NW at Figueroa and Eighth:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psf555b546.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068155.jpg)

In 1929, the same year this picture was taken, it was converted into an office building. To the right of Brownstein-Louis, you can see the line of apartments on Potter Park Avenue leading down to the Schermerhorn:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psaa86b3d1.jpg
USC Digital Library (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/91427/rec/2)

Jumping ahead to 1960, the Schermerhorn (just visible over the top of the Statler Hilton) has lost its neighbor at the east end of the block, the Owatonna (sp?):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psb632c6de.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071904.jpg)

The LA Convention Center was built in 1971, so this undated picture has to be from around that time. Another neighbor gone:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa93d5167.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046398.jpg)

The Schermerhorn/Beck and its neighbors apparently held on until the mid-70s. Here they've been torn down so recently, no one is parking there yet:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5936c7f1.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics26/00032561.jpg)

Footprints paved for parking, 1978:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psebe3159b.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00086/00086768.jpg)

The Brownstein-Louis Building was torn down, and 7th Place vacated, in 1980 (http://urbandiachrony.wordpress.com/...-st-1929-2011/). Now the area looks like this:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9be07c9f.jpg
Google Earth

I'd rather have Mr. Potter and his rubber tree.

alester young Feb 3, 2013 1:38 PM

G
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5992712)

Great to see a Studebaker. Remember the Lorimar show Max Headroom? All the cars were Studebakers

Check out the 1936 Studebaker President and Dictator Coupes with the batwing rear window. One was shown in a 1937/8 photo of Wilshire Boulevard, but unfortunately I can not now find the post.

Had never heard of these until reading this blog. Very cool looking.

alester

GaylordWilshire Feb 3, 2013 3:50 PM

:previous:


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2709

GaylordWilshire Feb 3, 2013 4:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 5998781)
I was cruising around Baist's 1921 Real Estate Atlas (thank you ProphetM) and I came across this cemetery on
North Broadway next to the Southern Pacific Rail Yard.

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/2...rycemetery.jpg
www.historicmapworks.com
A few years after Baist's Atlas was prepared, it seems the Catholic church decided to turn the cemetery into
a high school. All the bodies were dug up and moved to the "new" Calvary Cemetery in East L.A.
Cathedral High School now occupies the old graveyard area, and in recognition of their past, the sports teams
are nicknamed the Phantoms.


http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4...edcomplete.jpgLAT

Wig-Wag Feb 3, 2013 4:48 PM

Waterhouse Traffic Signal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 5998729)
I think that you are seeing two different models of the same signal. Which one is the most newer I don't know. I don't know if any were saved either. The Go and Stop rotated and the color of the lights changed. Pasadena and the area around MGM Studios had them.

It appears that the designer was a resident of Pasadena. See the text associated with the patent drawing here:

http://vintage-reprints.com/catalog/...344-49344.html

Cheers,
Jack

sopas ej Feb 3, 2013 5:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 5999093)
It appears that the designer was a resident of Pasadena. See the text associated with the patent drawing here:

http://vintage-reprints.com/catalog/...344-49344.html

Cheers,
Jack

I like that in the patent, the phrase "Ornamental design for a traffic signal" is used. I like that people back then took the time to make something as utilitarian as a traffic signal, look aesthetically pleasing/interesting as well.


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