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tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 1:56 AM

736 Ceres
 
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5953482)
Rat lab, yes. LA Fort, no. I know you want to help out your daughter, but--sorry--I don't really like seeing an ad here taking advantage of the thread. Do you have a facebook page?

GW, It was just re the neighborhood, prompted by all your interesting posts about the 700 block of Ceres and environs ("the real vintage LA"), not to "help" anyone, who don't need it anyway. I apologize if I offended you. I'd delete the post, but I don't know how. In answer to your question, good heavens no.

TheTalmadge Dec 30, 2012 1:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5953484)
Had the management boarded up the French front doors to each apartment when you were there? I can't remember what year that happened. The hallways had been light-filled until then. They were spooky and dark afterwards. Management then sent crews to paint the Batchelder-tiled baths with bright blue enamel in an updating effort. The residents drew the line there.

I remember how much the tenants loved the building, even at its worst. One couple I knew had their baby born at home there, b/c they liked it so much.

I don't remember having French front doors. But I do remember the manager giving me a tour of Gloria Swanson's apartment (it was still empty) and it was very impressive. Real wood-paneled dining room. 2 floors. Beautifully tiled circular shower with a giant porcelain shower head. Legend has it that it was the site of many a "wild party" and that John Wayne was famous for taking showers with a couple of starlets at a time.

Flyingwedge Dec 30, 2012 3:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5939617)
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Anyone know where Fruitland School was located?

http://imageshack.us/a/img22/8579/aa...chool1909e.jpg
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5939993)
Fruitland was down near Vernon/Maywood.

Thanks again to GW for providing the location of Fruitland School. My search for another picture of it was, um, fruitless, but I found this info:

News Notes of California Libraries (1921) identifies the "Maywood School Dist. Branch, Los Angeles Co. Free Library" with the note "This was formerly Fruitland school dist."
http://books.google.com/books?id=PR0...e%2016&f=false

In the 1892-93 Annual Report of the Board of Education of Los Angeles, California, the City Superintendent of Schools recommended paying a $190 yearly tuition bill (which had been vetoed by the City Auditor!) to the Fruitland School District for educating children who lived in Los Angeles but "cannot easily attend the city schools because of the river which compels them to go about three miles in order to reach our nearest school by bridge." That's $10 per head X 19 (average daily attendance out of 27 total students) = $190.
http://books.google.com/books?id=X9U...itland&f=false

:uhh:That got me to wondering how many bridges there were over the LA River in the mid-1890s, south of the downtown area. There was a bridge at Olympic Blvd (Ninth Street in those days) from 1889 (per: http://bridgehunter.com/ca/los-angeles/); maybe that was the one referred to in the 1893 report. South of there, I guess there were railroad bridges (considered safe for schoolchildren back then?), but I'm not sure what else. The situation may have even changed year-to-year, depending upon floods and course changes. Anybody know?

tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 3:06 AM

Batchelder Tile
 
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Originally Posted by TheTalmadge (Post 5953499)
I don't remember having French front doors. But I do remember the manager giving me a tour of Gloria Swanson's apartment (it was still empty) and it was very impressive. Real wood-paneled dining room. 2 floors. Beautifully tiled circular shower with a giant porcelain shower head. Legend has it that it was the site of many a "wild party" and that John Wayne was famous for taking showers with a couple of starlets at a time.

Great stories!

If you liked your Batchelder-tiled bath at the Afton Arms there's several posts on the Dutch Chocolate Shop, Batchelder's tour de force, on this thread and more here: http://countdowntobatchelder.com/ and here http://la.curbed.com/tags/ernest-batchelder

Plus, of course, the Fine Arts Building, also on 6th on 7th:
http://www.ratkovich.net/uploads/big_FINEARTS_2.jpg

ProphetM Dec 30, 2012 3:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5953294)

Vignes is the closest street. It's actually the alley just west of Vignes, looking south from 2nd.
Funnily enough, the railroad tracks proceed northward behind camera for nearly a block until the alley stops, at the back of a redeveloped property that faces 1st. So the tracks aren't connected to anything at either end.

That one is is on the south side of the bridge, facing west at the corner of Santa Fe & Mateo. This area has been fixed up, paved over and gated.


TheTalmadge:
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But I do remember the manager giving me a tour of Gloria Swanson's apartment (it was still empty) and it was very impressive. Real wood-paneled dining room. 2 floors. Beautifully tiled circular shower with a giant porcelain shower head. Legend has it that it was the site of many a "wild party" and that John Wayne was famous for taking showers with a couple of starlets at a time.
Did you mean that John Wayne was there sometime after Gloria Swanson? They were not really contemporaries, Swanson having moved on (and to New York in 1938) by the time John Wayne really hit it big.

tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 4:41 AM

John Wayne in the 30's
 
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Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 5953549)
TheTalmadge:

Did you mean that John Wayne was there sometime after Gloria Swanson? They were not really contemporaries, Swanson having moved on (and to New York in 1938) by the time John Wayne really hit it big.

John Wayne made at least one picture at Columbia, I think, and many on "Poverty Row", particularly for Monogram, both just around the corner from the Afton Arms. By his own estimation he made about 80 horse operas between 1930-1939 and was a bit player before that. He probably still had plenty of time to raise a little hell and may well have been a party boy in those years. Who knows any more? But he sure looks like he knows how to have a good time.

Wayne in 1930:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...621%2520PM.jpg
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ProphetM Dec 30, 2012 5:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5953590)
John Wayne made at least one picture at Columbia, I think, and many on "Poverty Row", particularly for Monogram, both just around the corner from the Afton Arms. By his own estimation he made about 80 horse operas between 1930-1939 and was a bit player before that. He probably still had plenty of time to raise a little hell and may well have been a party boy in those years. Who knows any more? But he sure looks like he knows how to have a good time.

Wayne in 1930:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...621%2520PM.jpg
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Sure, it's possible, but it doesn't seem like a bit player/B-movie actor as he largely was in the 30s would be running in the same circles as Gloria Swanson, who was a star at a whole other level. His first big starring role in 1930 was a major bomb and he wasn't big again until Stagecoach in 1939.

TheTalmadge Dec 30, 2012 5:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 5953631)
Sure, it's possible, but it doesn't seem like a bit player/B-movie actor as he largely was in the 30s would be running in the same circles as Gloria Swanson, who was a star at a whole other level. His first big starring role in 1930 was a major bomb and he wasn't big again until Stagecoach in 1939.

Seems John Wayne started at Fox in 1926 as an extra and stuntman for John Ford. Mostly as an unbilled player. And billed once as "Duke Morrison." So while he may not have been pals with Gloria Swanson, it is possible that they had mutual acquaintances and he was player on the party circuit. Then again, as I said, that was the "legend" told me. May not be true... but it makes for a good story.

TheTalmadge Dec 30, 2012 5:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5953530)
Great stories!

If you liked your Batchelder-tiled bath at the Afton Arms there's several posts on the Dutch Chocolate Shop, Batchelder's tour de force, on this thread and more here: http://countdowntobatchelder.com/ and here http://la.curbed.com/tags/ernest-batchelder

Plus, of course, the Fine Arts Building, also on 6th:
http://www.ratkovich.net/uploads/big_FINEARTS_2.jpg

Yeah... I saw those photos in an earlier thread. Very exciting to hear about the restoration. Any news on when it will be open to the public?

malumot Dec 30, 2012 6:09 AM

LOL.....It doesn't bother me, Tovangar, because it WAS Ceres-related, and after well over 500 pages in this forum, just a happy coincidence of time and space.

Somehow I think I'll pass (no offense). Here's the last three pieces of music I viewed at Youtube. I don't think it's a match.

Lee Morgan - Sidewinder.
Ronnie Lane and Pete Townshend - Rough Mix
Dwight Yoakum - Streets of Bakersfield
(Yeah...I'm all over the map.......LOL)

Besides: I'm the squarest square from Squaresville, Daddy-o. Me at The Fort would be like Aunt Bea backstage at a Grateful Dead concert......:haha:

Plus I look terrible in Peruvian knit caps, which I believe are de rigueur amongst the uber hip. lol lol......

PS - As to marketing and promoting the events - YOU may not have a FB page, but LA Fort certainly does. (EZ to find on my Google Machine.) Feel free to pass it along.

Always here to lend a hand to fellow Noirishers.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-LA...27867737363277




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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5953498)
GW, It was just re the neighborhood, prompted by all your interesting posts about the 700 block of Ceres and environs ("the real vintage LA"), not to "help" anyone, who don't need it anyway. I apologize if I offended you. I'd delete the post, but I don't know how. In answer to your question, good heavens no.


tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 9:09 AM

Afton Arms
 
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Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 5953631)
Sure, it's possible, but it doesn't seem like a bit player/B-movie actor as he largely was in the 30s would be running in the same circles as Gloria Swanson, who was a star at a whole other level. His first big starring role in 1930 was a major bomb and he wasn't big again until Stagecoach in 1939.

I really don't know (obviously), but going by Ms Swanson's rep (which may also be more legend than truth, even with the seven marriages) she seems like the type who would dress her parties up with some attractive starlets and whatever-the-male-equivalent-of-"starlets"-is just for the enjoyment of her other guests. In his early days, guessing about 19 to 26, Wayne would've fit that category to a "T". But again, it's just conjecture. I've got no proof that Swanson ever actually lived at the Afton Arms either. It's just the unshakable legend .

tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 9:25 AM

Batchelder
 
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Originally Posted by TheTalmadge (Post 5953646)
Yeah... I saw those photos in an earlier thread. Very exciting to hear about the restoration. Any news on when it will be open to the public?

"A few months" according to a quote from the owner in the 1 August 2012 LA Times: http://countdowntobatchelder.com/?p=435 reprinted on the Dutch Chocolate Shop website, but you can get into the Fine Arts building lobby anytime: 811 W 7th (sorry, I identified it as being on 6th before, a stupid mistake considering friends had their offices there plus the number of times I ate at the Cap & Quill).

I love this still from The Hope Chest (1919) with Richard Barthelmess and Dorothy Gish on location at the Dutch Chocolate Shop.
http://www.silentfilmstillarchive.co...e_chest010.jpg
http://www.silentfilmstillarchive.co...e_chest010.jpg

tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 9:53 AM

736 Ceres
 
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Originally Posted by malumot (Post 5953655)
LOL.....It doesn't bother me, Tovangar...


Thank you very much malumot, that was most kind of you. And actually, you'd fit right in, although not literally tonight at least, because it was such a crush. They're not hipsters, just a bunch of urban Angelenos with zero money and a "Hey kids, let's put on a show" attitude because they make their own fun because that's what is fun (and affordable). They're the unpretentious, dumpster-diving, thrift-shop-clothes-wearing, bike-riding lot, not the uber-hip, "concept"-club-going, loft-living, $14-drink-downing crew.

BTW, you have great taste in music.

tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 10:31 AM

Ceres Av
 
Thank you so much GaylordWilshire and FredH for the posts on Ceres Ave. They've electrified everyone from that part of town who's seen them. A little expedition was organized from the Le Roy Carman Printing Company building at 736 Ceres down to the "Rat Lab" on 8th at Ceres, scurrying past the site of 779 Ceres (shudder), and then back to the site of Otto Schrader's untimely death at 7th & Ceres, when his run-away team caused him to collide with the extant telephone pole, just half a block from home, poor lad. The ghosts were out waltzing on Ceres Ave tonight, like Brigadoon, thanks to both of you. Too darn cold to explore further, but rest assured that your wonderful research has had a lasting effect on many grateful people.

BifRayRock Dec 30, 2012 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5953590)
John Wayne made at least one picture at Columbia, I think, and many on "Poverty Row", particularly for Monogram, both just around the corner from the Afton Arms. By his own estimation he made about 80 horse operas between 1930-1939 and was a bit player before that. He probably still had plenty of time to raise a little hell and may well have been a party boy in those years. Who knows any more? But he sure looks like he knows how to have a good time.

Wayne in 1930:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...621%2520PM.jpgimagefave

A great many tales have been told about Mr. Marion Morrison and some of them may even be true. Believe its been covered before, but there would probably be no surprise to confirm he paid a visit to the "It Cafe" Having attended High School in Glendale and College at 'SC, anything seems plausible, including ruckus raising at the Hollywood Athletic Club and residing down the road at North Orange Grove Ave and 312 N. Highland Ave. http://stevesomething.wordpress.com/...-wayne-tour-3/

Glendale High Football Team Photo
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics21/00060263.jpglapl

1925
http://c300221.r21.cf1.rackcdn.com/j...53825278_b.jpgpictifyhttp://www.sheilaomalley.com/archive...c-football.jpghttp://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&c...,r:7,s:0,i:111

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Josephine Alicia Saenz, society beauty and daughter of Dr. Jose Saenz, Dominican consul, becomes the bride of Marion Mitchell Morrison, former Torjan football star who is known on the screen as John Wayne. Photo shows the couple, whose wedding takes place before an altar of flowers in the garden of the home of Mr. and Mrs. George Belzer on June 20, 1933.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics46/00042928.jpg
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/B...2-86ccce0f624a

1948 Mexican Tourist Card
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eMuAmrGCgV...-JWAYNE001.JPGhttp://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...g&ved=0CD8Q8g0

1978 - Wilshire and LaCienega - Former Great Western Bank Bldg.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090566.jpglapl

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...27clarabow.jpgwiki

Circa December 1937 - Hollywood Plaza Hotel, 1637 North Vine Blvd.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics30/00064747.jpglapl

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5106/5...4bcbb4e6_b.jpgFlickrhttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3952

BifRayRock Dec 30, 2012 4:50 PM

August 6, 1937 - the Four Star flies the colors for the Premier of "the Firefly."

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00096/00096787.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00096/00096788.jpglapl

http://www.moviefanfare.com/wp-conte...oster-1937.jpggoogle

BifRayRock Dec 30, 2012 4:55 PM

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The circular roof and skeleton of the sing pylon for the Simon's drive in restaurant (6760 West Sunset Boulevard) is visible above the scaffolding on this construction site at the southeast corner of Sunset Boulevard and Highland Avenue. This view looking east on Sunset captures signs for auto and furniture loans at Budget Finance Plan Inc. (6740 West Sunset Boulevard) and the tower for the Church of the Blessed Sacrament (6657 West Sunset).
Circa '39 (According to source)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00101/00101363.jpglapl

ProphetM Dec 30, 2012 7:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5953773)

Does it drive anyone else absolutely nuts the way they used to draw on the pictures, covering up the areas around people for clarity? So many of these old photos, presumably touched up for newsprint purposes, would be absolutely wonderful if a large portion of the photo didn't look like some kid went wild on them with his crayons. Argh!

MichaelRyerson Dec 30, 2012 8:55 PM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8...6cc2193d_o.jpg
Thespians, 1929

May 17, 1929: A group of current and former football players pose for a Los Angeles Times photographer before heading to Maryland to appear in the movie “Salute.” From left are Clark Galloway, Russell Saunders, Jack Butler, Tony Steponovitch, Joe Fleming, Hayden Pythian, Jess Shaw, Frank Anthony, Al Schaub, Winfield Smith (Fox Studios representative) and Duke Morrison. Most of the players are affiliated with USC.

In the next day’s Los Angeles Times, this photo accompanied a story headlined: “U.S.C. Football Stars’ Status Periled by Film Stunt.”

From the Times article:

Surrounded by what they hoped would be deep secrecy, fourteen local college players, some of them scheduled to star on next year’s University of Southern California team, were aboard a Union Pacific train last night speeding toward the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, where they will participate in the filming of a motion-picture of football life for a local studio.

The squad left from Central Station at 11 o’clock yesterday morning accompanied by representatives of the Fox Film Corporation….

…Some of he youths feared their motion-picture work might be regarded as professionalism, and their eligibility for next year’s team challenged.

Duke Morrison and the other players filmed a fictional Army-Navy football game for the movie, then quickly returned to California. All eligible players kept their amateur status and played that fall for USC.

Morrison, whose real name was Marion Morrison, played on the 1925 undefeated USC freshman team. He was also on the 1926 varsity team but a shoulder injury — sustained while bodysurfing off Newport Beach’s Balboa Peninsula — and a Fox Studios job offer ended his football career.

At Fox, Morrison, a prop man, found work as a football-playing extra in the movies “Brown of Harvard (1926), “The Dropkick” (1927), Columbia’s “Maker of Men” (1931) and the previously mentioned Fox “Salute” (1929).

Along the way, Morrison changed his professional name to Duke Morrison — Duke being the name of a childhood dog.

In 1930, Fox Studios officials changed Morrison’s professional name to John Wayne.

Los Angeles Times archive, Scott Harrison, Framework

tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 11:03 PM

The "It" Girl
 
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Your posted photo reminds me that of the time a former work colleague told that one of the most vivid (and not unpleasant) memories of his childhood was watching Clara Bow have it off with King Vidor in the back seat of a car in his father's driveway while a party was in progress in the house. Dunno if it was a LaSalle.


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