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fhammon Jul 25, 2012 7:32 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;5777220]
http://imageshack.us/a/img256/5576/a...ubcoin1eby.jpg

The Colony Club was real enough. The coin is probably just a souvenir and advertising gag.

http://petermoruzzi.files.wordpress....pg?w=442&h=361

http://petermoruzzi.com/2011/01/27/l...colony-club-2/

BTW Candy Barr used to "dance" there on occasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Barr

fhammon Jul 25, 2012 7:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5777332)
What's the prize?

Uh....Our undying respect and gratitude?

MichaelRyerson Jul 25, 2012 8:29 PM

You might reasonably question his conclusions but I don't think you can mount much of an attack on his scholarship. At least no one has to this point. Not Heise nor Robinson.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8432/7...33c636f5_b.jpg
UnderGround 1

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8430/7...1f1377ef_b.jpg
UnderGround

from Urban Underworlds, chap. 4, Thomas Heise, Rutgers University Press, 2011

I might also call your attention to page 315 of this thread, there is a bit of a discussion on this subject between E_R and RickM. Interesting stuff. By the way, my copy of Tarnished Angels which I found a couple of months ago weighed in at $75. ouch.

fhammon Jul 25, 2012 8:37 PM

Wow.
Check out these links regarding early Italian immigrants, wine making and prostitution in early Los Angeles.
I want to learn more about this guy Bartolo Ballerino.

http://www.reocities.com/OrganizedCr...osangeles.html

http://www.geocities.ws/jiggy2000_us/1900.html

This is a good read also:

http://www.swagger.la/los-angeles-al...inal-sin-city/

...and E_R's post here:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6265

fhammon Jul 25, 2012 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5777453)
I might also call your attention to page 315 of this thread, there is a bit of a discussion on this subject between E_R and RickM. Interesting stuff. By the way, my copy of Tarnished Angels which I found a couple of months ago weighed in at $75. ouch.

Good price actually. I believe I just saw one selling through Amazon for about $170 and another for $90. I envy your acquisition.

Heading over to page 315 now....thanks.

EDIT:
LOL. I just posted that link too. I can see we're both on the same trail here.

fhammon Jul 25, 2012 9:08 PM

The Octoroon was at 438 N. Alameda.
Who wins the prize? E_R?

Rick_M said " Mme. Bollanger, Cora Phillips and the notable Pearl Morton were prime players."


http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/8...csupomona1.jpg

California State University Pomona


As far as the legitimacy of the tokens go, I'm not so sure now.
The "Octoroon" tokens are listed among the fantasy tokens.

http://www.saloontokens.info/page21.php

MichaelRyerson Jul 25, 2012 9:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhammon (Post 5777524)
The Octoroon was at 438 N. Alameda.



yeah, 438 N. Alameda. That's what I said. Check post no. 8645, pg 433

fhammon Jul 25, 2012 9:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5777563)
yeah, 438 N. Alameda. That's what I said. Check post no. 8645, pg 433

...and so you did. The prize is yours, sir!

EDIT:
On your post: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8645

The top two token photos look authentic and the bottom two look faux.

The complete CSU Pomona text on prostitution text, as E_R posted earlier, is here:

http://www.csupomona.edu/~reshaffer/...ple/prostx.htm

ethereal_reality Jul 25, 2012 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhammon (Post 5777336)
The Colony Club was real enough.

I just had to post this great photo of the Colony Club from Mr. Moruzzi's website (thx for the link fhammon)

http://imageshack.us/a/img687/1340/aacolonyclub1a.jpg
http://petermoruzzi.com/2011/01/27/l...colony-club-2/

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...and here is Rick M's interesting post from page 314.

http://imageshack.us/a/img717/8097/a...postjan201.jpg
Rick M

fhammon Jul 25, 2012 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5777453)
You might reasonably question his conclusions but I don't think you can mount much of an attack on his scholarship. At least no one has to this point. Not Heise nor Robinson.

I forgot to thank you for going through the trouble of scanning and posting those pages from Wasted Dreams nailing the (my misguided) Octoroon question.

Thanks and you at least have my undying appreciation and respect.

KevinW Jul 26, 2012 12:38 AM

Civic Center
 
Saw this in the Times this morning and it made me think of Sopas ej's post from a few years ago:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-500f044e/t...0724132514/600

http://www.trbimg.com/img-4feb80e6/t...120627-001/600

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4299772)

The same area in the early 1970s, before the old Hall of Records was demolished:
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics50/00074516.jpg

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics45/00072423.jpg

Here's an earlier shot of the area before the DWP Bldg. and Music Center were even built:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044282.jpg


All photos from the lapl website

I just wanted to show the evolution of the LA Civic Center.

and going further back:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_8qEDwfHWKL0/S4...0178741a_j.jpg

http://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/02a.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/02b.jpg
1951 - Ellis R. Bosworth / Associated Press 2009 - Scott Harrison / Los Angeles Times

And from 1910

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets.../CHS-6120?v=hr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2544/...2cd2f923_o.jpg
USC Digital Archive

MichaelRyerson Jul 26, 2012 12:41 AM

You're welcome, of course. I was trying not to be too pedantic but thought the Octoroon should get its due. I'm planning/hoping to eventually post a longish treatment of the red light district, ladies of the evening, houses of ill-fame and the like. But it is surprising how little pictorial material survives. But I am slowly collecting things I think will be of interest.

ethereal_reality Jul 26, 2012 2:49 AM

Silent film star Mae Murray (she of the 'bee stung lips') at the height of her popularity.

http://imageshack.us/a/img831/9544/a...akonraddot.jpg
http://doctormacro.com/Images/Murray...,%20Mae_03.jpg







below: Decades later, an impish figure turns up on Hollywood Boulevard.

http://imageshack.us/a/img232/7241/a...ay1964huge.jpg
http://www.findadeath.com/forum/forum.php

http://imageshack.us/a/img152/9306/aamaemurray1964a.jpg






below: A brief bio of Mae Murray's twilight years. Was she the inspiration for Norma Desmond??

http://imageshack.us/a/img213/8928/s...adeathdotc.jpg
http://www.findadeath.com/forum/forum.php

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An obscure advertisement for Mae Murray at the Mocambo nightclub (date unknown).

http://imageshack.us/a/img26/3258/aa...yatmocambo.jpg
ebay

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ethereal_reality Jul 26, 2012 3:37 AM

http://imageshack.us/a/img220/1916/aahotelwilcox.jpg
ebay

http://imageshack.us/a/img515/6498/aahotelwilcox1r.jpg
reverse








below: The Hotel Wilcox today. The rooftop sign is missing but the structural elements are still in place.

http://imageshack.us/a/img821/9481/a...ilcoxtoday.jpg
google street view

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jaco Jul 26, 2012 4:14 AM

[QUOTE=KevinW;5777797]Saw this in the Times this morning and it made me think of Sopas ej's post from a few years ago:

and going further back:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_8qEDwfHWKL0/S4...0178741a_j.jpg

http://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/02a.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/02b.jpg
1951 - Ellis R. Bosworth / Associated Press 2009 - Scott Harrison / Los Angeles Times





Excellent post with pictures i have not seen before, which has fueled me more so to ask about the funicular, "Court Flight" are there any sources to search for photos in the late 50's when the small hill was getting ready to be shaved and what about the old Broadway Hotel next to the tracks. I see the photos taken at the top of old Hall of records but the view is obstructed from seeing soon to be former Court Flight. Thanks.

ProphetM Jul 26, 2012 7:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaco (Post 5778088)
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 5777797)

http://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/02a.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/02b.jpg
1951 - Ellis R. Bosworth / Associated Press 2009 - Scott Harrison / Los Angeles Times




Excellent post with pictures i have not seen before, which has fueled me more so to ask about the funicular, "Court Flight" are there any sources to search for photos in the late 50's when the small hill was getting ready to be shaved and what about the old Broadway Hotel next to the tracks. I see the photos taken at the top of old Hall of records but the view is obstructed from seeing soon to be former Court Flight. Thanks.

I would love to see this too. It's too bad the camera wasn't tilted further downward on the 1951 pic above. I believe right there in the bottom left corner is the street at the top of Court Flight - you can see the railing where the street ends. The incline for Court flight is literally just out of frame. :(

MichaelRyerson Jul 26, 2012 11:16 AM

Always really liked this Ansel Adams shot. Nearly a reverse angle of that last pic.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8028/7...e3222e6b_o.jpg
court street terminus at court flight, ca. 1940
Ansel Adams

And since it's quiet around here I'll hop back in and add this image. Back in February (Feb 4, 2012, page 317, post no. 6324), FredH posted four of these very dramatic nighttime shots. I was taken with how they added an entirely new kind of depth to such familiar surroundings. This particular image closely approximates the view we are looking at...and yes, Court Flight can be seen

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7269/7...c2891f26_o.jpg
nighttime cityscape from city hall tower looking west, WWII dimout, 1943

And if my eyes don't deceive me, there across Broadway just to the right of the Hall of Records, the little boxy building is Joe's Cafe.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7248/7...1785f38f_o.jpg
Johnny and Mick walking up Broadway, ca. 1948
murderpedia.org

MichaelRyerson Jul 26, 2012 4:29 PM

Los Angeles panorama, 1910
 
I liked those last two images from KevinW's and sopas ej's post so much, I thought I'd go ahead and marry them as it seemed apparent they were taken at the same time and may very well have been originally a panorama anyway.


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8146/7...c605042c_o.jpg
Los Angeles panorama from captive balloon, 1910

USCdigital archive

KevinW Jul 26, 2012 6:54 PM

View from City Hall
 
As long as you like the view, here's the whole set:

http://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/01a.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/01b.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/02a.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/02b.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/03a.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/03b.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/04a.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/04b.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/05a.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/05b.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/06a.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/includes/soun...y_hall/06b.jpg
-----------------------------------------------------------------1951 - Ellis R. Bosworth / Associated Press----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------2009 - Scott Harrison / Los Angeles Times----------------------------------------------------------

malumot Jul 26, 2012 7:04 PM

View from City Hall
 
Nice work Kevin...and all the rest of you as well.

What I take away from this is that over 100 years they have turned the central city from a bustling, dense American downtown, with a not-overwhelming scale (none of the buildings were oppressively big, of course, thanks to the 150 foot rule) into......

....something like an overgrown Warner Center.

:yuck:


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