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ethereal_reality Jul 17, 2012 5:32 PM

:previous: Thanks for the information Wig-Wag...greatly appreciated Jack.
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Fantastic post on the electrification of Los Angeles MichealRyerson.

Handsome Stranger Jul 17, 2012 6:49 PM

1927: Traffic policeman has a tea break at Broadway and 11th Street, downtown Los Angeles.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls...df3o1_1280.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls...df3o2_1280.jpg

[source for both images: mothgirlwings.tumblr.com]

MichaelRyerson Jul 17, 2012 7:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 5768181)
1927: Traffic policeman has a tea break at Broadway and 11th Street, downtown Los Angeles.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls...df3o1_1280.jpg
[source for both images: mothgirlwings.tumblr.com]

Is that a large bird back there walking beside that woman? Geesh, Los Angeles was a way more interesting place back in the day! I've got to get out more.

Graybeard Jul 17, 2012 9:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5768199)
Is that a large bird back there walking beside that woman? Geesh, Los Angeles was a way more interesting place back in the day! I've got to get out more.

It's either a large bird or the woman is Bjork's grandmother and she dropped her stole...

MichaelRyerson Jul 17, 2012 9:27 PM

We may have inadvertently stumbled upon the reason we so rarely see pigeons in these old photos.

MichaelRyerson Jul 17, 2012 11:12 PM

There must be a place here for Weegee!
 
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8292/7...9e7dc5f5_o.jpg
weegee and collaborator mel harris

Weegee and collaborator Mel Harris combing through hundreds of photos for "Naked Hollywood."
franklin avenue

westcork Jul 18, 2012 2:49 AM

below: The slide enlarged and tweaked. An exceptional photograph of a natural disaster. Can anyone place the location?

http://imageshack.us/a/img545/1563/a...slide1930s.jpg

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That looks a little like North Figueroa and Riverside Drive. The bridge is all wrong though

Chuckaluck Jul 18, 2012 10:39 PM

Floods make some of us seek higher ground.:rolleyes: Most of the views of T. Lowe's Lookout Mountain make it seem remote and rustic.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._7167290_n.jpghttp://farm4.staticflickr.com/3217/2...4fbb6611_o.jpghttp://www.flickr.com

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http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9...weinclinee.jpghttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1953



When in reality, it depends upon your perspective. Can't recall seeing this particular shot on this forum. It appears that Lookout-ville was a tiny pastoral holdout under direct assault from a monstrous urban sprawl. Tremendous view nonetheless. ;)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3172/2...bf524096_b.jpg

Chuckaluck Jul 18, 2012 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5762139)
I don't remember ever seeing this image before. I hope it's not a repeat.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8011/7...fb6be65b_b.jpg
Third and Hill, 1902LAPL


3rd Street, looking west, with a close-up view of a streetcar near the 3rd Street Tunnel in Bunker Hill. The conductor stands outside on the streetcar steps as a woman carrying a parasol and a young boy walk by. Edwin B. Crocker's mansion is seen above. Angel's Flight has not yet been built.

Your bucolic image brought to mind this pastel-toned slice of paradise (allegedly 1905). If one did not know any better, it looks like Walt's Kingdom in Anaheim - without the crowds, full parking, bizarrely dressed characters, and steep-as-a-funicular admission price.;)

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...36_60121_n.jpghttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

MichaelRyerson Jul 18, 2012 11:50 PM

Map of the old portion of the city...(1873)
 
I hope we haven't had this on the thread before. I can't find it. If it's been here already somebody tip me off and I'll remove this one. I think it's a lovely map and I went big so that you could read all the notations.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7275/7...c7241753_o.jpg
PlazaMap3LOC

LibraryofCongress

I think we may have seen this image before but I wanted to put it up with the map. I think they go together nicely even though separated by 23 years.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7275/7...366d3cb0_o.jpg
aerial photograph of the lugo house, circa 1880

Black-and-white aerial(?) photograph of Don Lugo's townhouse on the Plaza in downtown Los Angeles.
Historical Background: When St. Vincent's Select College for Boys opened in 1865, the first classes were held in a few rooms in a two-story townhome on the Los Angeles Plaza built by Don Vicente Lugo in the 1840s. Two years later, the school moved to a permanent building on Hill Street, and the Lugo Adobe became a Chinese restaurant. It was torn down in 1951. Although the LMU archives have this print identified as an aerial photograph, I can't believe it's actually an aerial photo. I think it's much more likely taken from the hill above New High Street.
Department of Archives and Special Collections, Loyola Marymount University

Chuckaluck Jul 18, 2012 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5162212)
I'd forgotten that there was once a Los Angeles Airways that shuttled pax between LAX and downtown, Disneyland and other SoCal destinations.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...uY%21~~0_1.jpgebay.com

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...0808/LAA02.jpg http://viewlinerltd.blogspot.com

Full story here:
http://viewlinerltd.blogspot.com/200...r-service.html

http://www.check-six.com/images/Disn...letterhead.jpghttp://www.google.com/


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6...b9c52700_b.jpgFlickr


http://la-helicopter-tours.com/wp-co...li-596x397.jpgGoogle

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6...0ffdcbd4_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/

http://www.stinsonflyer.com/prop/s55-01.jpghttp://www.stinsonflyer.com/prop/s55-01.jpg

http://aerobernie.ae.funpic.de/Fotos10/LAA-S.61.jpghttp://www.google.com

Wig-Wag Jul 19, 2012 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westcork (Post 5768744)
below: The slide enlarged and tweaked. An exceptional photograph of a natural disaster. Can anyone place the location?

http://imageshack.us/a/img545/1563/a...slide1930s.jpg

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That looks a little like North Figueroa and Riverside Drive. The bridge is all wrong though[/QUOTE]
Westcork,

I had completely forgotten about the first of the following two attached websites when I responded to Ethereal Reality's initial inquiry. The scene is virtually unchanged today with the exception of the underpinnings of the Figueroa Street bridge which were rebuilt with the cementing in of the Los Angeles River.

http://lariverrailroads.com/laflood.html

http://lacreekfreak.wordpress.com/20...gueroa-bridge/

Be sure to scroll down for the best of the pre and post pictures on the latter site.

Cheers,
Jack

Sebisebster Jul 19, 2012 2:57 AM

2nd St Tunnel and Hill St

Some pics maybe have been reposted yet or maybe not...


1- 2nd St and Hill, looking west. Uncertain date.


http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2540/2ndandhill0.jpg

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2- 2nd street and Hill, looking west, circa 1920.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4629/2ndhill1.jpg

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3- Works for the 'new' 2nd St tunnel, 1924 (?)


http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9229/2ndandhill2.jpg

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4- Opening of the 2nd Street tunnel, 1924


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8333/2ndhill3.jpg

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5- 2nd Street and Hill and a glimpse of Bunker Hill.


http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6619/2ndandhill4.jpg

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6- 2nd St Tunnel. The present day.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8897/2ndandhill5.jpg

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7- 2nd St and Hill (then and now)

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4366/2ndandhill6.jpg

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And finally, 2nd St and Figueroa during the works of the tunnel, 1924:


http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2...ndfigueroa.jpg

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SOURCES: Pics 1,2 3, LAPL.
Pics 4, 5, and 7 LA Times.
PIC 6 found at Flickr. MORE info about the pic and about the topic: ON BUNKER HIL ( http://onbunkerhill.org/TheDirtPatchofSecondandHill )Please correct those soures if they're wrong.

ProphetM Jul 19, 2012 3:09 AM

Hello all, I am newly registered but I've been following this thread for about a year - from around page 220 (and then reading all previous pages too, of course!). It's easily one of the greatest forum threads on the web. I finally registered because I thought the following was just a little too cool to keep to myself:

I have been having fun using Google Earth to load vintage USGS topographic maps, and then loading modern 3D buildings on top of them. This works especially well in the LA area as there are thousands of buildings rendered in 3D, and a large number old topos available for LA County. Here is an example of downtown:

(Click image for full size)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z...lesOverlay.jpg
credit: USGS via Gelib (linked below)/Google Earth

The USGS map used is from 1928. In this example, I un-checked most of the display options like labels, streets, etc., for the sake of cleanliness.

To get the index for the topo maps, go here:
http://www.gelib.com/historic-topographic-maps.htm

Just open the .kml file link on that page using Google Earth and you will get outlines of the available topos, which you can then select to load by clicking its name on the Google Earth map. There are a few broken links but a large number of 1920s and 1930s topos available. The overlays' opacity can be changed so you can see the modern aerial imagery beneath a semi-transparent vintage topo. In my picture above, I have the Los Angeles 1928 topo selected in the Places window at left, and the transparency slider is just beneath it. You can also select to hide a specific 3D building by right-clicking it. (It will remain hidden until Google Earth is restarted.)

It's very interesting to see the modern buildings laid on top of the old street grid - seeing what is different and also what is the same, and it's helping me to mentally place old images from the thread.

Since I went ahead and registered I also decided to do a quick photo stitch of the two pics from page 428 that were taken from the county courthouse. None of the programs I had would connect these because they're too different, so I did it manually. It's rough because of the different resolutions but I think they really were taken from the very same spot so it turned out pretty ok:

(Click for full size)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-R...0/LAstitch.jpg
left side from http://www.skyscrapercity.com/ via post by ethereal_reality; right side from CC Pierce Collection via MichaelRyerson's post and Flickr stream

Couple of comments that I've been sitting on while waiting for posting privileges:

I think it more likely that the Zep Diner and especially the Los Angeles lamp were spawned by the USS Los Angeles, built by the Zeppelin company for the US Navy (in part as war reparations), and predating the Graf Zeppelin by several years (notice the LZ127 on the Graf; before delivery the Los Angeles was numbered LZ-126).

Couple more things:
Quote:

Can a penny on the track cause this much damage??
During my childhood in Fullerton, my first attempt to put a penny on a railroad track resulted in the penny being squirted out from under the slow-moving freight train's wheel and off into the rocks about 30 feet away. I never found it. I returned with more pennies and some masking tape. What I retrieved the following day was a very squashed penny with just the faintest hint of a smeared Lincoln Memorial on one side. :haha:
A second penny was left for several days and ended up as a squarish copper-colored blob spread so thin that there was a hole in it.

RE: the railroad & bridge flood picture -
Quote:

That looks a little like North Figueroa and Riverside Drive. The bridge is all wrong though
That's because that is the second Dayton Avenue Bridge, which replaced the first in 1927-28. It was replaced by the current Figueroa St./Riverside Dr. bridge in 1939 when the LA river was lined with concrete in part as a result of the pictured 1938 flood. The eastern approach was retained when they replaced that main arch span. There is a great blog post with many pictures, going over the long history of bridges at that location: LA Creek Freak EDIT: which of course was linked by Wig-Wag while I was working on this post!

I drove over the 1939 bridge last Labor Day weekend as part of a Route 66 road trip. It is slated to be replaced and comments in the blog post above indicate that restrictions have begun, but I live in Vegas so I don't know if that project has fully closed the bridge yet. Any locals want to chime in?

So, there goes my first post. Thank you all for such a fantastic thread!

westcork Jul 19, 2012 3:28 AM

^^^ Awesome first post

MichaelRyerson Jul 19, 2012 3:31 AM

Welcome to the thread, ProphetM and congratulations on a really good first post. Very interesting stuff. I'm pretty convinced the two pics you stitched together were taken from pretty much exactly the same place but separated by a couple of years. Which, if correct, is pretty amazing that the cameras were set up in so much the same spot. If I remember correctly ER's pic showed a part of Justicia Street as well. Some utility poles were apparent in his image but not in mine. Also there was some pretty noticeable growth in a couple of trees. But still the POV was pretty much identical. Anyway, welcome again.

jaco Jul 19, 2012 6:28 PM

Sorry for double post, how do I delete?

jaco Jul 19, 2012 6:32 PM

Hi, my first post here on this great forum and even greater coverage of Los Angeles, As for plastic models I feel the builder has nailed it.




Pictures by Lee Nehlsen

http://www.87thscale.info/showcase_11.htm
http://www.87thscale.info/showcase_9.htm





http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...lsFlight-1.jpg


http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...hireBlvd-1.jpg

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...ieldBldg-2.jpg

Chuckaluck Jul 19, 2012 9:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 5770049)
I think it more likely that the Zep Diner and especially the Los Angeles lamp were spawned by the USS Los Angeles, built by the Zeppelin company for the US Navy (in part as war reparations), and predating the Graf Zeppelin by several years (notice the LZ127 on the Graf; before delivery the Los Angeles was numbered LZ-126).

The original post may have been more tongue in cheek than a definitive assertion that the GrafZ was the direct inspiration for the Zep Diner and novelty electric lights. No doubt the Airship Los Angeles 126 received a fair amount of press in its own right and most likely inspired the depicted lamp. However, the Graf Z 127 garnered plenty of Los Angeles' attention as part of its "celebrated" 1929 world tour. ;);) More here: http://www.airships.net/lz127-graf-z...tory#weltfahrt

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...elinpc_sky.jpghttp://losangelespast.blogspot.com/2...-postcard.html

Graf Zeppelin at Mines Field, 1929
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CDC9AF537?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1342730865153

http://www.airships.net/wp-content/u...angele004a.jpghttp://www.airships.net/lz127-graf-z...tory#weltfahrt

Bullocks Wilshire Ceiling Mural
http://martinturnbull.files.wordpres...ire-mural1.jpghttp://www.google.com

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And before GrafZ and the commissioning of the USS Los Angeles there was . . . the Altadena Float!

Altadena apparently had a Zeppelin produced for its entry in the 1908 Rose Parade.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics28/00048789.jpgLAPL

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Slightly off topic and some distance from Wilshire Boulevard . . . the subject of Zeppelin Mooring Masts.
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/...ep_mooring.jpghttp://blog.modernmechanix.com/build...asts-for-zeps/

Chuckaluck Jul 19, 2012 11:11 PM

Worth a second/third/eight look - or beating a dead horse?

Pan Pacific Park aka Gardener Park 1940. Auditorium is almost dead center. ~~Feel the vibe~~
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...0-14-ISLA?v=hr USC Digital

Pan Pacific 1955
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...10BF346A6?v=hrUSC Digital



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Reporter-Columnist Wally George
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Press Conference and Concert at Pan Pacific 10-28-57 Pics from:http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/...uditorium.html

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