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Tourmaline Jan 30, 2018 3:22 PM


Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8066199)
Almost as beautiful as Evelyn Nesbitt, who settled in L.A. in her later years long after her troubles with "Sanny" White & a crazy hubby. Evelyn taught art in her later years, I do believe. Does anybody have any pics of Evelyn in her later years in L.A., or newspaper stories?

:hi: For starters:

tovangar2 Jan 30, 2018 6:48 PM

Tryon Ridge
Another Hollywood Hills subdivision, Tryon Ridge also opened to sales in 1924. Unlike the other signs held up by stilts, these letters were embedded into the hillside itself.
- gizmoto

I couldn't find anything else.


Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6343231)



Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8066322)

We have them in Burbank, but they seem to be here seasonally, maybe in the winter or early spring.

The experts say the feral parrots don't displace other birds, but since they've shown up, our usual large numbers of house finches and lesser goldfinches have gone missing. Maybe they don't like the noise. The crows, hummingbirds and seagulls could not care less.
FAQs re LA parrots


Martin Pal Jan 30, 2018 6:57 PM


Originally Posted by Ed Workman (Post 8065634)
The movie is awful- and what could even Spielberg do to change that?
Dancing while singing in real streets is to say at the least um, silly , awkward, embarrassing to view, unconvincing that gangs would actually do such.

Wow, Ed, I have never heard the word "awful" in connection with West Side Story! each his own. I've never cottoned to Casablanca, myself. And I've tried. Many times. I'd seen it on TV with commercials. I've seen it on VHS & DVD without commercials. I tried the colorized** version. I saw it on the silver screen in a theatre. I've seen props from it in museums: the piano Dooley Wilson (Sam) plays, a nightclub table with beaded lamp on it and the actual car they ride away in at the end. Still, it doesn't catch me. So be it. We all like and respond to different things.

**By the way, when they colorized it they discovered a mistake. There's a scene in the movie when Bergman describes what she was wearing when she got off the train which is shown in an earlier scene. They went back to colorize the scene she describes to find out she was NOT wearing what she said she was. Heh!

After some photos were posted on NLA a couple years ago with dancers on the streets of Beverly Hills, MR posted this story about how West Side Story affected a group of sailors and marines during the Vietnam era and it's always touched me; how movies can affect and touch you in so many different ways.


Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7623427)
2nacapt--Wow, that's really cool. I'm glad you saw this photo. Such a great movie. [West Side Story] I have a longish story to tell you about the movie.
I was in the Marine Corps in 1965 and on a ship (with a flight deck) going overseas. The Navy showed movies every night on the
flight deck but they kept the sailors and Marines separated (for obvious reasons). They did this by first showing a movie for the crew
of the ship (the USS Ogden) and then clearing the flight deck before showing a movie for us. Not always the same movie.
I don't know why that was but Marines being Marines we were always on the lookout for being short-changed somehow.
One night the Navy sees West Side Story, which was still pretty famous having won all those awards, and then they get ready
to show us some shitty costume drama (Quo Vadis, I think, which was actually a pretty good movie but we didn't know that at the time)
and a fight breaks out, chairs are being thrown around, a couple of bloody noses, when our officers show up. There's a big pow-wow
back on the fantail. The Marine officers want to just shut it down but the Navy officers prevail and we get to see West Side Story.
We're 18-19 year old kids, full of testosterone, and we're snapping our fingers and humming the main theme at each other for days
afterwards. In Vietnam we kind of dispersed, went on to different units, and pretty much lost touch with each other. There were
200-300 Marines on the Ogden and every once in a while I'd run across someone who'd come over on her. We always greeted
each other with those first five notes of the main theme, and then we'd laugh. One night, a long time later, we were taking
incoming from North Vietnam and we'd scrambled into a slit trench to wait it out. Bunch of guys, some I knew some I didn't.
We're in there about ten minutes and then I hear somebody down the line rhythmically snapping their fingers and I lean out
and look down to my right and I see some guy from the Ogden looking at me and smiling, holding his hand up and snapping his fingers
...'from your first your last......' For some of us that movie was a special thing.

odinthor Jan 30, 2018 7:34 PM

Vis-à-vis Tryon Ridge (sorry about the tiny print in the third item):

tovangar2 Jan 30, 2018 11:24 PM

Thank you odinthor. That explains a lot. "Ponet" was Belgian Victor Ponet (1836-1914), who many of us have heard of, because he was an early (1869) Angeleno, for the Ponet Building on Main St or for the fire at the Ponet Square apartments (part of the Ponet Square development centered on Pico), now memorialized with the term "Ponet door".
homestead museum

Ponet (by then, one of the 6 wealthiest people in Los Angeles) died in 1914, before Ponet Terrace was even thought of, but "Ponet Terrace Syndicate"
had continued as a business name from a former project. C.T. Tryon was the sales agent for the development:
homestead museum
homestead museum

Once called "The Acropolis of Hollywood", Tryon Ridge and Ponet Terrace are now the Los Feliz Oaks neighborhood (no longer caring to be associated with Hollywood). The Engstrum's Artemesia was at one time on an isolated 16 acres up there, but 14 of those were sold off for development and combined with other land to make a 50-acre parcel.


Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7777196)

There's still streets named "Ponet" and "Tryon" in Los Feliz Oaks, but the terms "Ponet Terrace" and "Tryon Ridge" have long since fallen out of use.

An early start (1923) on development:
homestead museum

A curious aside, Victor Ponet's daughter and son-in-law developed Sunset Plaza on both sides of Sunset Blvd on Victor Ponet's former ranch. Their descendants still own it and the land that the city must pay rent on for Sunset Blvd's right-of-way through it.


odinthor Jan 30, 2018 11:41 PM

From my notes:

Ponet, Victor 1836, born in Ulbeck, Belgium; “He received in his native land a thorough college education, and after completing his studies traveled extensively in Europe and America, visiting nearly all places of note in both countries. During his travels he came to Los Angeles, arriving in 1869. He was impressed with the natural beauty of Southern California, the salubriety of its climate, and foresaw in Los Angeles a growing and prosperous city as its future business center. He therefore decided to make the City of the Angels his future home and accordingly entered business as an importer and manufacturer of mirror and picture frames” (Illustrated History of Los Angeles County, p. 612); 1869 (Illustrated History, p. 789 has 1867, evidently before Ponet was in L.A.), went into the undertaking business with Benjamin Franklin Orr, the firm being Ponet & Orr; 1870, present in L.A. as a laborer with savings of $500 and real estate valued at $150; 1872, engravings, mirrors, frames, etc. Downey Block 79 Main St.; 1873, married N.J. Manning; 1875, undertaker, in which business “he continued until the year 1865 [sic; probably intending 1885], when he retired” (Illustrated History, p. 612); also a real estate agent and banker, and a director of Evergreen Cemetery; sometime Belgian Consul in L.A.; February 7, 1914, died; children (by 1889): Gertrude, William.

ethereal_reality Jan 31, 2018 12:10 AM

:previous: Thanks for the great info on Tyron Ridge tovanger2 and odinthor. (especially the great clipping with the ten photographs of the houses) and the Ponet Terrace layout -amazing!


Does anyone recognize this building that is being demolished?
mr. rollers

The photograph is in an album titled "On the Streets of Echo Park"

the INFO says it was taken on October 5, 2013 (but I've noticed these dates are often inncorrect on flickr)

This 2nd pic has a few more clues (i.e. the surrounding buildings)
mr. rollers



Scott Charles Jan 31, 2018 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8066322)

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Does anyone else have feral parrots in their immediate area? LA curbed partly blames Busch Gardens for at least some of the 13 varieties which have taken root here. Our closest flock used to be at Rancho Park Rec Center on Pico, but since just before the holidays, a flock has moved to a big old sycamore on our block. Noisy, but not unwelcome, although in combination with the Santa Anas it's a little bit crazy-making.
We have them in Burbank, but they seem to be here seasonally, maybe in the winter or early spring. I think I heard, but not saw, some a week or so ago. When I see them, they are usually flying and I am driving so I can't get a good look at them to see what kind they might be. The ones we have, I believe are green and medium sized, bigger than a crow but not as big as some of the Amazon species.

I just read an article which said that out of the 372 species in the world, there are 11 kinds of naturalized parrots in Southern California.

I heard (not saw) them just the other morning. But I am sure it was them; they’ve come by many times before, so I can recognize their sound (which is unmistakable, since they are SO LOUD).

They truly are beautiful birds. Whenever I hear them I usually rush outside to catch a glimpse of them.

ethereal_reality Jan 31, 2018 3:08 AM

I could be wrong, but I don't think we have seen these slides. (but I admit they do look familiar)

They're all labeled the same.

Santa Monica 1949
ssilberman / flickr

this international style* building appears in the next slide as well. (a small portion of it anyway)

* or is it streamline moderne?

Santa Monica 1949
ssilberman / flickr

Santa Monica 1949
ssilberman / flickr

this one especially seems familiar (I might be thinking of that Trousdale Estate slide I recently posted)


? looks like CPINARD and RI __ D_E :shrug:


Earl Boebert Jan 31, 2018 3:43 AM

Epinard and Rindge, right between the end of the main runway at LAX and the Pacific Ocean. Google maps doesn't know about it, but amazingly Zillow does.



ethereal_reality Jan 31, 2018 3:46 AM

Thanks Earl! near Surfridge then.

so we have seen them before HERE, but the images are missing now.

HossC stitched the first two slides together like this.
He did a great job!

Sorry for the memory lapse folks.


Flyingwedge Jan 31, 2018 3:51 AM

:previous: Those color pics were posted on page 2044 but fell victim to Photobucket. They are all Surfridge, not Santa Monica.

tovangar2 Jan 31, 2018 3:56 AM

I'm so quick, I'm fast asleep.

CaliNative Jan 31, 2018 4:11 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8066167)
:previous: ha ha ha!

The Inspiration Point 'whimsy' telescope appears to be missing Andys. :(

Inspiration Point, October 1934
Michael Patris Collection at

"Taken from the hill just above Inspiration Point looking east, this Kodatone image clearly shows the viewing tubes in front of the Ramada,
Herbert the Mule and his OM&M Railway car, Easter Rock and the flag pole along the path between Herbert’s right-of-way and Easter Rock.

The flag pole is difficult to here's a closer look from the 1920s.
Michael Patris Collection at

There isn't any information with this one....but their clothes make me think 1930s.

I wonder which telescope is missing here? :previous: (it's some place between San Pedro and Venice) that doesn't narrow it down much does it. lol ;)

any ideas?


Maybe up in the Hollywood Hills, or along the Mt. Lowe railroad or on Mt. Wilson???? Looks to be 1910s-1920s from the clothing.

ethereal_reality Jan 31, 2018 4:16 AM

:previous: I was going to say the Ostrich Farm...but I see it now under the guy's collar. "RIC ARM"

& Guess What! the Ostrich Farm telescope is still there

So does it aim at the spot where Cawston's Ostrich Farm used to be? :shrug:

(that would be kind of interesting actually)

CaliNative Jan 31, 2018 4:29 AM


Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 8066346)

Thanks for the Nesbit pics. The Sanford White/Nesbitt/Thaw murder & scandal was portrayed in 2 films--"The Girl in the Red Velvet Swing" in the 1950s and of course in "Ragtime" from 1981. Evelyn was played by a young pre-"Dynasty" Joan Collins in the 1955 film and Elizabeth McGovern in "Ragtime". The case was the "O.J." trial of the time.

A pretty pic of Evelyn from 1901 before Sanford White & Thaw got their clutches on her--timeless but fatal beauty:

sopas ej Jan 31, 2018 4:31 AM


Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8066322)
Does anyone else have feral parrots in their immediate area?

Oh yes. In South Pasadena, they are well-known. One can also occasionally (but not too often) see a peacock and/or peahen walking around.

ethereal_reality Jan 31, 2018 4:37 AM

:previous: What in the heck does a Peahen look like?

ethereal_reality Jan 31, 2018 4:56 AM

Even though my last 'mystery' post hit a big sour note, I'm going to try one more time.

This slide was taken by the same amateur photographer that took the Surfridge/'Santa Monica' slides.
ssilberman / flickr

Does anyone, by chance, recognize this rather intriguing building?

[there is no information; other than it was taken sometime between 1946 and 1951]

Otis Criblecoblis Jan 31, 2018 9:13 AM

For The Birds

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8066062)
Does anyone else have feral parrots in their immediate area? LA curbed partly blames Busch Gardens for at least some of the 13 varieties which have taken root here. Our closest flock used to be at Rancho Park Rec Center on Pico, but since just before the holidays, a flock has moved to a big old sycamore on our block. Noisy, but not unwelcome, although in combination with the Santa Anas it's a little bit crazy-making.

Here in Bungalow Heaven, Pasadena, we have a massive flock of compact African-type parrots that tend to spend the night in the trees surrounding our property (they tend to avoid our property, despite our massive trees, because we have three big dogs and a vital crow community). In the morning, they leave in a number of groups (like individual platoons in a company) in different directions. Near dusk, they return, all at the same time, swirl around in a massive avian tornado, then light in a number of trees in the area.

When we lived in Culver City, we had a sizable platoon of Australian long-tail parakeets (sleek, colorful birds, 15 to 18 inches long).

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