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Beaudry Jul 22, 2017 12:18 AM

I just got hipped to the Margolies collection of roadside images at the LOC. Read about it here and here.

Naturally, I immediately typed in "Los Angeles" and got this. Although I expected more LA, it's certainly got some wonderful stuff. A nice chunk of material to then-n-now, that's for sure.

I'll start! 8103 S Alameda:

http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/mrg/02100/02107v.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4302/...d2db8181_o.pnggsv

ethereal_reality Jul 22, 2017 12:36 AM

:previous: That's soooooo cool Beaudry.



Have we seen a foto-folder from Ace Cain's on NLA?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/X1oeQu.jpg
ebay


but the photograph is a bit fuzzy. :(

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/sToBoA.jpg



stamp on reverse. June 15, 1945

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/yuuGTg.jpg



There's only been one mention of Ace Cain's back in 2013 by Earl Boebert -but no photos
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=11285

Krell58 Jul 22, 2017 9:02 AM

Hi folks, it's been awhile I've posted, but I do check a couple of times a month to see what's been added.
I found this interesting documentary you can watch before it's gone, about the Manson murders.
https://youtu.be/I1WXJDUL4g8

CityBoyDoug Jul 22, 2017 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7872388)
:previous: That's soooooo cool Beaudry.



Have we seen a foto-folder from Ace Cain's on NLA?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/X1oeQu.jpg
ebay

There's only been one mention of Ace Cain's back in 2013 by Earl Boebert -but no photos
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=11285

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4321/...61a545_o_d.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/isle_o...in/dateposted/

For many years I had this old shot glass. I always assumed it had originally belonged to my stepfather.

ethereal_reality Jul 22, 2017 5:28 PM

:previous: That's a really neat shot glass CBD.




Here's a matchbook from the 1940s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/kb848k.jpg
http://www.scvhistory.com/gif/lw2459a_large.jpg


"After the repeal of prohibition Cain opened a new — and legal — watering hole, Ace Cain's Café, within spitting distance of 20th Century Fox studios.
It was complete with live floor shows featuring scantily clad chorus girls, singing waiters, jugglers, acrobats, animal acts and the works.
Ace's brother Jim owned a liquor store next door."

By the mid-1940s, Ace moved his operation to 1369 N. Western Ave. (corner DeLongpre) in Hollywood, where his club was named simply "Ace Cain's."

-So I wonder where the first club was located?

"It was rebranded "The New Ace Cain's" when it went topless in about 1946."

va va voom!



Ace Cain's Hollywood nightclub was located in this building, now a post office, at the corner of Western Avenue and DeLongpre in Hollywood.

2013
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/bLxzUl.jpg
svc / gsv




Now look what has been done to the poor building.

present day / King Buffet
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/lAIxkp.jpg
gsv

There oughta' be a law against desecrating old buildings like this. :(

(well I guess there are laws...but they didn't apply to this particular bldg.)

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HossC Jul 22, 2017 7:00 PM

I've got a more modern house from Julius Shulman today. It's "Job 5797: Phelps and Morris, Lawee House (Long Beach, Calif.), 1980". I've left a few shots out.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

The front was only captured in black & white, but the rest are in color.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Now, the inside.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

The blue chairs remind me of the vehicles in 'Cars'.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

The kitchen comes with a lot of storage.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

I'll finish with the view of the marina from the dining table.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

I don't think the house at 6070 (or should that be sixty seventy?) Lido Lane, Long Beach has changed much.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
GSV

odinthor Jul 22, 2017 7:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7872712)
:previous: That's a really neat shot glass CBD.

[...]

"It was rebranded "The New Ace Cain's" when it went topless in about 1946."

va va voom!

Ace Cain's Hollywood nightclub was located in this building, now a post office, at the corner of Western Avenue and DeLongpre in Hollywood.

2013
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/bLxzUl.jpg
svc / gsv

[...]

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Hm. Any word on whether the postal employees went topless? :???:

CityBoyDoug Jul 22, 2017 9:07 PM

War on customers
 
PhotoBucket has now sent me 3 nasty threatening emails. What's next? [They're hinting that I should remove all of my photos because I am a bady bad person.]

odinthor Jul 23, 2017 3:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7872819)
PhotoBucket has now send me 3 nasty threatening emails. What's next? [They're hinting that I should remove all of my photos because I am a bady bad person.]

This being noirish L.A., you might want to

--Make sure you can slip out the back way in case da boys come over for a little friendly chit-chat wit' youse;

--Avoid dark alleys and platinum blondes;

--Slip your brass knuckles into your pocket every time you go out.

CityBoyDoug Jul 23, 2017 6:01 AM

[QUOTE=odinthor;7873021]This being noirish L.A., you might want to

--Make sure you can slip out the back way in case da boys come over for a little friendly chit-chat wit' youse;
--Avoid dark alleys and platinum blondes;
--Slip your brass knuckles into your pocket every time you go out.

+++++++++++++++++++++
For 14 years Photobucket said 3rd party hosting was OK [in fact encouraged]....now they suddenly say its not. What?

PhotoBucket has taken a strange low road. They accuse me and others of "excessive use"...whatever that is.

ProphetM Jul 23, 2017 6:45 AM

So I was in Kingman, AZ today with my wife and daughter; we checked out a couple of antique stores and in one of them what should I find but a Jerry's Joynt cocktail napkin. Sorry, no photo as that seemed a bit rude to photograph without buying, though I was sorely tempted to purchase it! If anyone wants it I can pick it up the next time I'm there - I doubt it will disappear quickly. Printed red on one side with the hefty Chinese cook and hanging pig that is found on much of their printed materials. There were a bunch of cocktail napkins from establishments in California, some in the LA area I think but no others that stood out to me as familiar from this thread! They were described as 1940s and for the Jerry's Joynt napkin at least that seemed to be accurate. They were all $3 each.

Edit: I just remembered another that was familiar - The Starlight Room at Melody Lane, Wilshire & Western. I remembered Melody Lane from photos of the Hollywood & Vine location mainly. e_r posted about a Wilshire & Detroit location, and HossC had a post about Carpenter's Drive-Ins in 2013 that showed the Melody Lane at Wilshire & Western:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17961

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...MelodyLane.jpg
HossC's post, detail from USC pic.

CityBoyDoug Jul 23, 2017 6:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 7873105)

Edit: I just remembered another that was familiar - The Starlight Room at Melody Lane, Wilshire & Western. I remembered Melody Lane from photos of the Hollywood & Vine location mainly. e_r posted about a Wilshire & Detroit location, and HossC had a post about Carpenter's Drive-Ins in 2013 that showed the Melody Lane at Wilshire & Western:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17961

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...MelodyLane.jpg
HossC's post, detail from USC pic.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4297/...5c999d_o_d.jpghttps://farm5.staticflickr.com/4317/...f53ef2_o_d.jpg
[url]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4297/35980259301_84405c999d_o_d.jpg[/url[img]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4317/36113935595_43a5f53ef2_o_d.jpg[/im https://www.flickr.com/photos/isle_o...in/dateposted/

HossC Jul 23, 2017 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7847431)

This may be a mystery Julius Shulman location - you'll have to just my evidence. It's "Job 3742: Allison and Rible, Blue Cross of Southern California, 1964".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Getty Research Institute

I found a couple of mentions of Blue Cross of Southern California having an address at 4747 Sunset Boulevard. That's just below Barnsdall Park. The building's definitely not there now, but the whole block has seen many changes (there are a few thousand building permits, and I didn't have time to look through them). Could this be the building from the Shulman photos on a 1964 aerial view? It was there until sometime between 1989 and 1994.

Remember this Julius Shulman photo from nearly a month ago? The full post is here. I wasn't 100% sure of the location above, but I believe it shows today's Julius Shulman subject on the right. The window shades are a good match across the buildings. This is "Job 2136: Allison and Rible, Blue Cross Building, 1956". As usual, I've picked about half of the images.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Here's a closer view of the entrance. I'll return to it below.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

The number shows us that this is actually 4747 Sunset Boulevard. I think that the 1964 building was 4777 Sunset Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

The reception desk.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

The office area was mainly one big open space.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

I'm guessing that the last photo shows the dining room.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

Unlike 4777 Sunset Boulevard, I believe that this building is still standing. The window shades have gone, and the front has had some additions, but the block above the entrance looks the same.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
GSV

Martin Pal Jul 23, 2017 7:44 PM

Ace Cain's is ringing bells with me, but I can't figure out why.

CityBoyDoug Jul 23, 2017 9:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7873370)
Ace Cain's is ringing bells with me, but I can't figure out why.

Ace was an old time Hollywood actor....

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4303/...acb5b5_o_d.jpg

more here: http://www.scvhistory.com/scvhistory/lw2459.htm

Ace seemed to like bars, show girls and booze.
Born in Chickasaw Nation, Okla., on Aug. 23, 1903, Horace Truman Cain...better known as ''Ace"

JeffDiego Jul 24, 2017 12:59 AM

Sascha Brastoff
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7419164)
It probably goes without saying at the moment that I've omitted some images from this Julius Shulman photoset. It's "Job 1654: Jones and Emmons, Sascha Brastoff's Ceramics (Los Angeles, Calif.),1954".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Here's the structure at the right of the picture above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Initially, I didn't realize that the wall with the name on it was at the end of a section that floated on narrow supports. This is a detail view from the side.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

Now we get to see the factory, complete with stairs to the observation platform.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

The observation platform turned out to be smaller than I expected.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

There are plenty of examples of Sascha Brastoff's work online. This shot shows a display area with some ceramic pieces.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

Unfortunately, this is the only color image in the set.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

I'll finish the Shulman photos with this shot looking over the outdoor display area.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

Here's the building permit for the slightly later addition of a new sales office. As you can see, the address was 11520 W Olympic Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original
Online Building Records

I can't see a demo permit, but there was an application to use the site as a Christmas tree lot in 1980. The current building (below), with the address 11500 W Olympic Boulevard, seems to have been built in 1981.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original
GSV


Back in April of 2016, Hoss shared these interesting 1954 photos of the Sascha Brastoff ceramics factory and ultra-glamorous showroom building on Olympic Blvd. near Bundy in West Los Angeles. During its heyday in the mid 1950's, the 35,000 square foot facility employed 100 people producing hand-painted ceramics and decorative housewares.

Who WAS Sascha Brastoff? He was one of those flamboyant, creative characters who seemed more commonplace during Hollywood's golden age. Brastoff was born in Cleveland in 1917, was dancing with the Cleveland Ballet after high school, and selling out his terra-cotta "whimsies" at a prestigious gallery in New York around 1941. Stationed in Florida during WW2, he and another soldier, Hollywood fashion designer Howard Shoup (nominated 5 times for an Oscar), devised an act where Brastoff appeared as Carmen Miranda to entertain cheering military audiences. His act so impressed Broadway impresario Moss Hart, that Hart cast Brastoff in a traveling production of "Winged Victory." Darryl F. Zanuck, head of 20th Century Fox, was also bedazzled, brought Brastoff to Hollywood to appear in the film version of "Winged Victory" and gave him a contract to design costumes for Betty Grable and Carmen Miranda musicals.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/o9lxaW.jpg
Sascha Brastoff 1944
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...b7743f2a4d.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/tuWj3x.jpg
Sascha Brastoff with Carmen Miranda on the set of "If I'm Lucky," 1946
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...e-costumes.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/XA1vd1.jpg
Sascha Brastoff 1950's, and in Carmen Miranda drag, WW2
http://1125996089.rsc.cdn77.org/wp-c...habrastoff.jpg


After just two pictures, Brastoff wriggled out of the contract to devote himself to his hand-painted ceramics, which became popular with movie stars like Joan Crawford and Donna Reed.
Around 1950, Brastoff attracted the attention of multi-millionaire Winthrop Rockefeller, one of the famous Rockefeller bothers and later Governor of Arkansas. Although Rockefeller married twice (his first wife was socialite "Bobo" Rockefeller), and had a child, there seems little doubt that he was gay, and fell in love with Sascha - and bankrolled a Sascha Brastoff ceramics factory on Compton avenue in South Los Angeles. Within a year, the factory burned down, and Rockefeller then sank millions into the lavish complex designed by A. Quincy Jones in West Los Angeles. (Helps to have a rich sugar daddy).


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/k2j2YG.jpg
1950's ad for Sascha Brastoff home decor
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5141/...c9893cca_o.jpg


During this time, the mid 1950's, Sascha's enjoyment of dressing in very convincing drag and seducing supposedly "straight" men at parties is prominently mentioned in the controversial 2012 book "Full Service" by notorious "male madam" Scotty Bowers.

In the early 1960's, a falling-out with Rockefeller and financial difficulties led to a serious nervous breakdown, after which Brastoff left his company and became a recluse for a few years. Operations of the ceramics factory continued under different ownership at a facility on Yukon Avenue in Hawthorne in 1964-65, and the gorgeous headquarters building on Olympic Blvd. was eventually demolished, replaced in 1981 by the present undistinguished office complex.

Brastoff returned to making artwork and accepting commissions for such items as decorative metal sculptures, and in 1969, he and fashion designer Howard Shoup, with whom he was then living, transformed a small, decrepit hotel at 246 26th Street in Santa Monica/Brentwood, across the street from the side of the Brentwood Country Mart, into a chic "shopping destination" called "The Esplanade." Brastoff displayed his artwork in one area, and Shoup sold fashions and French antiques in another. A 1970 article in the Los Angeles Times described The Esplanade with the headline "Mixed Bag of Wares in a Hacienda Atmosphere." The site is now occupied by a the "L'Ami" restaurant.

In 1989, two years after Shoup died, Brastoff was attacked in front of his home by a "young man under the influence of drugs." The incident demoralized him and affected his health, and he died of prostate cancer in 1993 at age 75.

ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2017 1:10 AM

:previous: Very interesting JeffDiego!



Despite the water damage, this is a fine photograph of the Boyle Heights Presbyterian Church in 1895.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/TeKZ3g.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1890s-Los-An...QAAOSwFqNZTvT-

Both church and parsonage still stand at 132 N. Chicago Street.

Flyingwedge created a great post on the Boyle Heights Presbyterian Church back in May 2015.
His post includes two vintage photos (a smaller grainier version of the one above) and a couple gsv views
of the church and parsonage as they look today. (he includes two Sanborn maps as well)

Go here:
http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=28145

ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2017 1:21 AM

This intriguing photograph was included with the one above.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/Ne7FMb.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1890s-Los-An...QAAOSwFqNZTvT-

"The second photo is of the "Carnival of Flowers" celebration which took place at the YMCA on April 12, 1893. This is the original Los Angeles YMCA which was once located on Spring Street. This event was covered in newspapers during the time and you should be able to find more information online. It has original fountain pen writing on it which says, "Special Display YMCA By Mrs. George Gillette '93." Mrs' Gillette was wife of George Gillette of the razor/shaving company of today.
Please note that the actual photo and the writing is much clearer than the scan shows.'

odinthor, do you recognize any of these cut flowers and plants?

(I'm still trying to figure out the shape in the upper right portion of the window that looks like a large black C) What the hell is that? :shrug:

ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2017 1:38 AM

Has anyone heard of the Moe Morton Club?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/0rkAjv.png
old file/hollywood filmograph

As you can see, it was located at 7033 Hawthorne Ave. (telephone-- GRanite 4653)





Here are a couple more mentions of the club.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/TJVm7N.png
old file




Luckily, this 'blurb' has a date.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/OBoRP2.png
old file

:previous: Do any of these names sound familiar?
_____________________________________________


*I just found a 'Moe Morton' mentioned in a book on the mobster Moe Dalitz. (but I don't know if it's the same man)

Here's the link
https://books.google.com/books?id=KZ...ton%22&f=false

Flyingwedge Jul 24, 2017 1:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7873588)

Here is a fine photograph (despite the water damage) of the Boyle Heights Presbyterian Church from the 1890s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/TeKZ3g.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1890s-Los-An...QAAOSwFqNZTvT-

Both church and parsonage still stand at 132 N. Chicago Street.

Flyingwedge created a great post on the Boyle Heights Presbyterian Church back in May 2015.
His post includes two vintage photos (a smaller grainier version of the one above) and a couple gsv views
of how the church and parsonage look today. (he includes two Sanborn maps as well)

Go here:
http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=28145


Wow, great photo, e_r . . . it's way better than both of mine put together!

__________________________________

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 7871450)
Very interesting post on the South Pasadena orphanage history. I haven't found any reference to a Charter Oak in SPas history, apart from the street name at that location. There is, of course, the Catherdral oak (near the Garfias adobe) with Portola's Cross (allegedly) from the Easter service held there in 1770.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4303/...7da0ac89d1.jpg
HDL

here's some more info on that.

Thanks, ScottyB. I poked around a bit more, but I couldn't find anything about that tree in the middle of Orange Grove Ave.


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