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Wig-Wag Jul 19, 2017 4:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7869132)
I have never heard of that cruise. 52 days sounds very ambitious. Did it ever happen or was this only in the brochure stage?


I attempted a bit of research on sailings of the S.S. Republic, and after wading through myriad posts about the 1812 built vessel that was lost off the coast of Georgia in 1865, and found in 2003 with a treasure of gold and silver coins, I located some pages on the S.S. Republic as shown in the brochure.

The later S.S. Republic was built in 1903 by Harland and Wolff for the Wilson & Furness-Leyland Line, a subsidiary of International Mercantile Marine Co. She began what would become a convoluted career culminating in a long service with the U.S. Military following her seizure by the U.S. when we entered the war in 1917. Placed in service with the U.S. Navy and renamed President Grant, she was transferred to the Army in 1919. In 1924 she was transferred from army service to the United States Shipping board and placed in service with United States Lines as the S.S. Republic. However, in 1931 she reverted to the Army as a troopship. Her military service continued through and after WWII. She was sold for scrap on 11 March, 1952. For more details see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Republic_(AP-33) For some reason this URL is a bit funkey and takes you to a page saying they do not have such a page. click on the link that appears and a another page with the same URL should show up.

I could find no evidence of a voyage to the Holy Land in 1930.

Interestingly, this site features a photo of Aimee Temple McPherson arriving (somewhere) on board the S.S. Europa following a trip to the Holy Land during the 1929/1930 time period.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Crui...utf-8&oe=utf-8

Cheers,
Jack

CityBoyDoug Jul 19, 2017 8:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 7869261)
I attempted a bit of research on sailings of the S.S. Republic, and after wading through myriad posts about the 1812 built vessel that was lost off the coast of Georgia in 1865, and found in 2003 with a treasure of gold and silver coins.
Cheers,
Jack

Thanks for your research. For Sister Aimee to take a long voyage like that it would be hugely publicized at that time. I doubt that it ever happened. But it is possible that she visited the Holy Land at some time during her ministry.

Overall, she was an odd duck for sure.

Tourmaline Jul 19, 2017 11:11 AM

:previous:

FWIW, Aimee evidently made at least two Mid-East sojourns. Here is a (January 11, 1926) photo captioned "Aimee Semple McPherson leaves for Palestine."

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics51/00075057.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics51/00075057.jpg

And another:

Quote:

Crowd at Santa Fe Station when Aimee Semple McPherson left for Palestine on January 11, 1926. Bareheaded man leaning over the coach is evangelist Paul Rader. On the right is Roberta Star Semple, Aimee's daughter.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics10/00024626.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics10/00024626.jpg


Quote:

July 28, 1929

Los Angeles (Jul. 26)Aimee Semple McPherson, woman evangelist, who is the founder and pastor of the Angelus Temple of this city, will next March lead a pilgrimage to Palestine. Seven hundred students and followers, it is stated, will set sail on March 30 and return on May 11. Mrs. McPherson has chartered the 19,000,ton steamer “Republic” for the journey. “Before we return, we will baptize 500 followers in the waters of the River Jordan,” Mrs. McPherson declared. The chartering of the steamer cost $500,000. http://www.jta.org/1929/07/28/archiv...ine-pilgrimage

Here is an alleged photo of the SS Republic, with the following text:

Quote:

The S. S. Republic, chartered for Aimee Semple McPherson's trip to the Holy Land in November 1929. In connection with the excursion, attorney Cromwell Ormsby brought a lawsuit against her for $324,500 charging she broke an alleged contract whereby he was to manage the expedition.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics04/00021727.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics04/00021727.jpg

CityBoyDoug Jul 19, 2017 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7869356)
:previous:

FWIW, Aimee evidently made at least two Mid-East sojourns. Here is a (January 11, 1926) photo captioned "Aimee Semple McPherson leaves for Palestine.

And another
Here is an alleged photo of the SS Republic]

I looked for photos of Sister Aimee in ''Palestine" but I don't find any. Does anyone know the real story of what actually happened with the stories of Rev Aimee visiting the Holy Land in any year whatsoever?

In 1936 she embarked on a world tour.....visiting India, Italy and ?other? countries. I am not aware of her total itinerary.

Tourmaline Jul 19, 2017 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7869364)
I looked for photos of Sister Aimee in ''Palestine" but I don't find any. Does anyone know the real story of what actually happened with the stories of Rev Aimee visiting the Holy Land in any year whatsoever?

In 1936 she embarked on a world tour.....visiting India, Italy and ?other? countries. I am not aware of her total itinerary.


"Aimee Semple McPherson returns from the Holy Land--outtakes. 1930-06-16" :shrug:

http://dvr-web.mirc.sc.edu/islandora/object/usc%3A16651

CityBoyDoug Jul 19, 2017 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7869399)
"Aimee Semple McPherson returns from the Holy Land--outtakes. 1930-06-16" :shrug:

http://dvr-web.mirc.sc.edu/islandora/object/usc%3A16651

Judging from the 1930 Movietone film the only thing she gained from her long journey to the Holy Land were fashion tips of what local "Mohammedan" women were wearing.

Superficial to the max.

Thanks 'T' for the update.!

HossC Jul 19, 2017 7:00 PM

I've got something more modern from Julius Shulman today. It's "Job 6087: Patrick Koughan, Home Budget Loan Building, 1982". As usual, I've picked a selection.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

This side view gives us the street number.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

I hope the interior is well air-conditioned, because I bet it gets hot under all that glass.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

The upper floor looks out over the lower floor.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

I'll finish with this shot of a private office.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

The building is still standing at 11111 W Olympic Boulevard, although it's been modified on the right. The older GSV images appear to show a small balcony above the entrance, but it's back to the original design now. The latest GSV image has a "Medical Space for Lease" banner across the front.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
GSV

tovangar2 Jul 20, 2017 4:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7869819)
I've got something more modern from Julius Shulman today. It's "Job 6087: Patrick Koughan, Home Budget Loan Building, 1982". As usual, I've picked a selection.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

I remember several years ago when this building was shaggy with creeping fig. It got massively reduced and groomed into a neat rectangle on the south-facing wall only:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ty...w=w874-h487-no
gsv


The creeper is now gone entirely.


The Motion Picture & Television Fund Sam Goldwyn Children's Center adjoins 11111 W Olympic on the north, facing Sepulveda:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5J...=w1277-h463-no
gsv

The Center provides daycare (7am/7pm) for the infants and small children of Industry parents.

Flyingwedge Jul 20, 2017 7:36 AM

Mission Street and Orange Grove Avenue in South Pasadena
 
I also had these images uploaded to PB before I knew about their changes . . . .


The intersection of Mission and Orange Grove is the site of Orange Grove Park, at lower left on the map below, which also
shows a mostly diagonal rail line and the site of the former Raymond Hotel(s) at upper right:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psyncmqked.jpg

Googlemap


This 1874 image looks north at much of the same area shown on the map above. I've put a red dot at the intersection of
Mission and Orange Grove. There is no railroad line and no hotel on what was then Bacon's Hill, cut off at the right edge:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psqvwlrprl.jpg

SCWHR-P-077-043 @ Seaver Center


Here is roughly the same view, c. 1886. A railroad line with a big curve at lower right runs toward the first Raymond
Hotel at center right. The Mission/Orange Grove intersection is in the lower left corner:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psmmu4bbzd.jpg

465745 @ Huntington Digital Library


This is a closer look at that lower left corner. Orange Grove jogs at Mission; north of Mission there's an oak tree overhanging
the road and, a bit farther north, there's an oak tree right in the middle of the road. There are several large oaks in the
rectangular area on the south side of Mission, but no buildings:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psi0tzvqbt.jpg


Here we're again looking north at Mission and Orange Grove but in 1895. There's a building among the trees opposite the
jog in Orange Grove (for a wider 1895 panorama split into two halves, click here):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psdtngac0p.jpg

csp_037 @ South Pasadena Public Library


Here's the story of that building at Mission and Orange Grove (I believe Orange Grove at Mission was then known as Sylvan):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9hkohnfa.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pszeomnxxo.jpg

History of Pasadena (1895) by Hiram Reid @ Googlebooks


Miss Cleveland's work at Mission and Orange Grove came to a sudden and sad end. At the end of the article,
you'll see that the Boys' and Girls' Aid Society of Los Angeles, not content to be mentioned in just one NLA post,
has butted into this one as well:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psykknegfx.jpg

Los Angeles Times, December 13, 1897 @ ProQuest via LAPL


It seems the property at Orange Grove and Mission was then known as Sylvan Park. The lot in the Garey Place
tract is 2150 Glowner, site of the Girls' Home from that earlier post:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psp16rqbdh.jpg

Los Angeles Herald, March 13, 1898 @ CDNC


Plans were made for a new building in South Pasadena:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pslsfp5yxp.jpg

Los Angeles Herald, August 4, 1898 @ CDNC


Miss Cleveland's orphanage had burned down less than nine months previous to the publishing of this article,
which says the orphanage burned "some two years ago":

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pswuyqhotq.jpg

Los Angeles Herald, August 30, 1898 @ CDNC


I'm not sure what happened to Miss Cleveland; if she got her little cottage, was bought out, or what:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psvpny7dmu.jpg

Los Angeles Herald, September 18, 1898 @ CDNC


I'm sure being sent to the "Home for Friendless Children" did wonders for the orphans' self-esteem ("both" = takes both sexes):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psew1yvd4f.jpg

Benevolent Institutions (1904) @ Googlebooks


Once more we're looking north, this time maybe c. 1905. The second Raymond Hotel is at upper right, and the rail line
has been straightened out. Above the lower left corner, the orphanage's two-story and three-story buildings occupy the
intersection of Mission and Orange Grove:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pszg9lzvuq.jpg

CHS.J3428 @ Denver Public Library


Here's an enlargement of the lower left corner of the above photo. The two-story building directly opposite Orange Grove
is the 1898 orphanage. The three-story building on the left was apparently built in 1903. Above the 1903 building you can
see the oak that's overhanging the road in the c. 1886 photo, and north of that is the same oak in the road, too:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pshcvqgioi.jpg


This photo seems to have been taken at least a few years after the previous one. The orphanage buildings are partially
obscured, but you can see the oak in the road really well. Is that the Charter Oak?

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pscw7elvdc.jpg

CHS.J4145 @ Denver Public Library


1910 Pasadena Sanborn:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pscajlnzer.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL


Eventually . . .

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psu81wlvmv.jpg

Los Angeles Times, March 24, 1925 @ ProQuest via LAPL


Again, plans were drawn up for a new facility:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8ykivduo.jpg

Los Angeles Times, November 1, 1925 @ ProQuest via LAPL


The new facility at 760 W. Mountain View in Altadena, now known as Five Acres, opened in 1926 (the Five Acres
website says 1921, but the true year appears to have been 1926):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7dwl2vou.jpg

Los Angeles Times, April 30, 1926 @ ProQuest via LAPL


760 W. Mountain View, Altadena, February 2015:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pshjo6qnf8.jpg

GSV


The orphange site at Mission and Orange Grove is vacant and undeveloped on the 1931 Pasadena Sanborn. The 1951 Sanborn
shows a 1939-built Recreation Center there with a swimming pool. Adjacent are tennis courts and a playground. This aerial
shows the rec center, tennis courts and playground are in the same location as in 1951, but the pool has been filled in.

HossC Jul 20, 2017 7:11 PM

Thanks for the picture of 11111 W Olympic covered in creeping fig, t2.


--------------


By coincidence, just like FW's interesting post above, this location is also next to Orange Grove Avenue. I posted Julius Shulman pictures of the Ambassador College Administration Building last month in post #42425. From two years before, and by the same architect, this is "Job 4241: Peter J. Holdstock, Ambassador College (Pasadena, Calif.), 1967". I've left out the construction photos.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

The rest of the set is black & white.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

A reverse view of the shot above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

For some reason, I'm thinking that this is the first floor.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

A lecture theater.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original

I'll finish with this photo of a classroom. I love the way the hexagonal windows frame the scenery outside.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

This east-facing view still shows one of the buildings standing, but both were demolished sometime between 2012 and 2014. The latest GSV images show the new development mentioned in my June post, but I think the house and pergola have survived.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
GSV

ethereal_reality Jul 20, 2017 10:54 PM

'mystery' location

The seller doesn't know the location is Los Angeles, but I noticed the streetlight(s)
and if you look closely, there's an advertisement across the street for the Figueroa Playhouse.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/i0h6R9.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Found-Photo-...YAAOSwbElZbFxA

also note the sign for Hobart (?) Works.

The snapshot is curious because of the double path-like 'sidewalk'.

I guess it's 10 cents to let the Goat pull you. (per the sign on the pole)

HossC Jul 20, 2017 11:40 PM

:previous:

The sign says "Hobart Dye Works". Here are some addresses from the CDs:

1927 - 2960 W Pico Boulevard
1929 - 2960 W Pico Boulevard, 5734 W Washington Boulevard, 2510 S Genesee Avenue and 1915 S Grand Avenue
1930 - 5734 W Washington Boulevard, 2510 S Genesee Avenue and 2960 W Pico Boulevard
1932 - Office 5734 W Washington Boulevard, Plant 2510 S Genesee Avenue

Adjusting the contrast, it looks like the little track offered one ride for 10 cents or three for 25 cents.

tovangar2 Jul 21, 2017 3:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7871166)

Not unlike the track at the Griffith Park Pony Ride, only that one goes around, instead of up and down:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Fz...A=w933-h472-no
google maps photos


$5 for two laps, ages 1+

ScottyB Jul 21, 2017 6:03 AM

Thanks Flyingwedge
 
Very interesting post on the South Pasadena orphanage history. I haven't found any reference to a Charter Oak in SPas history, apart from the street name at that location. There is, of course, the Catherdral oak (near the Garfias adobe) with Portola's Cross (allegedly) from the Easter service held there in 1770.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4303/...7da0ac89d1.jpg
HDL

here's some more info on that.

oldstuff Jul 21, 2017 6:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7871199)
:previous:

The sign says "Hobart Dye Works". Here are some addresses from the CDs:

1927 - 2960 W Pico Boulevard
1929 - 2960 W Pico Boulevard, 5734 W Washington Boulevard, 2510 S Genesee Avenue and 1915 S Grand Avenue
1930 - 5734 W Washington Boulevard, 2510 S Genesee Avenue and 2960 W Pico Boulevard
1932 - Office 5734 W Washington Boulevard, Plant 2510 S Genesee Avenue

Adjusting the contrast, it looks the little track offered one ride for 10 cents or three for 25 cents.

I find online at Retrofabulosity, a wooden coat hanger from Hobart Dye Works with the Washington Blvd address. It is noted on the hanger to be "at Genessee". Hangers are from the 1930's

I have several of this type of hanger at home, still being used, from cleaners in the Burbank area. When you never move, you don't throw stuff out!

HossC Jul 21, 2017 7:00 PM

So many of these Julius Shulman photosets come with unknown locations, but I recognized this one. It's "Job 4062: Langdon and Wilson, State Mutual Savings, 1966". I've picked about half of the images.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

This corridor seems to lead either to or from the customer area.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

And here is the customer area, complete with mural.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

I'm assuming that the executive offices were on the upper floors.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

I really like these light fixtures, and so did Mr Shulman - one of the omitted shots just shows a close-up.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

And finally, one of the private offices.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

The building is still standing on the corner of S Hope Street and Wilshire Boulevard. You can't see them here, but most of the buildings on the left of the first picture are also still there.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
GSV

ethereal_reality Jul 21, 2017 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7869132)
I have never heard of that cruise. 52 days sounds very ambitious. Did it ever happen or was this only in the brochure stage?

Thanks for the follow-ups on the Aimee Cruise to the Holy Land CBD, Wig-Wag and Tourmaline.

I found an additional image.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/wCqUWC.jpg
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug00/rob...togallery.html




for reference: here's the cover of the pamphlet I posted a couple days ago.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/Zi0w87.jpg
ebay

ethereal_reality Jul 21, 2017 11:24 PM

I don't recall seeing this rather HIGH diving tower on NLA. (maybe i just overlooked it :shrug:)

"1905 Diving Tower, Venice California Vintage Photograph"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/Yl8K8L.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1905-Diving-...EAAOSw9~5ZSTMP




Could this diving tower be the perch used by photographers for postcard photos? (example below)

1910
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/su5Hsq.jpg
Werner Von Boltenstern Postcard Collection / https://www.facebook.com/losangelesr...type=3&theater

What do you think?

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HossC Jul 21, 2017 11:59 PM

:previous:

From a post I made back in 2014. The full post is here. Your last image seems to be a modified version of my last image below (a couple of extra boats, gasometer missing etc).

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6597118)

I hope the lagoon was deeper than the rest of the canals if people were diving from this tower.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...iceLagoon2.jpg
eBay

...

The diving tower can also be seen in this wider view that's dated circa 1910.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

This later shot (USC dates it at 1924) shows the view looking north up the Coral Canal from the roller coaster. I wonder if the structure in the middle is the base of the diving tower.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
USC Digital Library


ethereal_reality Jul 22, 2017 12:07 AM

:previous: Thanks for the reminder Hoss.


Here's an interesting looking place that I believe is new to NLA.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/9B0HyG.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moonlite-Gar...kAAOSwR29ZEOWf No info on back

Does anyone know where on Washington Blvd. the Moonlite Gardens was located?

(appears to be in a rather stately home)

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