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ethereal_reality Jun 23, 2017 9:27 PM

the same seller has this sign [c.1919] for sale as well.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/9mWKyO.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-1919-Ea...MAAOSwTf9ZRFZ7

seller's description:

"Let me first state that this is not a reproduction , it is an Original. I have had this in my collection for a very long time. Being made of light cardboard it is lucky to even be still around. A Very rare piece of Long Beach history. 1919 Earl Daugherty Aviator Chateau Thierry Flying Field Long Beach CA Sign. Sign measures 14 1/4" by 12 1/2"

Starting bid:US $800.00

tovangar2 Jun 23, 2017 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DViator (Post 7843250)
There's a fairly good replica in New Orleans on St Charles Ave. (except that, unlike the set - which didn't have rooms inside from what I've read - this one's an actual home). The build date I've been able to find is 1941.

http://www.scarlettonline.com/tara_house_neworleans.htm

I had to laugh at that Tara-style house. They "corrected" the design. Half the charm of Tara (according to a friend suffering from Scarlet Fever) was that it was asymetrical (as opposed to the neighbor's grand pile). I'm told this was much discussed in the book. Selsnick faithfully built the set as the author described it:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jc...Q=w509-h635-no
pinterest

The only real brick on the Tara set was the steps. The walls and columns were molded plaster on tar paper tacked to a wood frame. It apparently got redressed as part of the background in some other films. I'm amazed it lasted 20 years. My friend says the front door arrangement was "real" and is somewhere.*


One can see the size of the paper and plaster "brick" panels they used to make up the walls and chimney in the 1959 image:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7843185)



* The door and case are in Atlanta (I should have looked that up before). I thought it would be here in a movie museum. Are the Ruby Slippers now in Kansas?

Flyingwedge Jun 24, 2017 3:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7844060)


e_r, your photo shows the Theatre Mart at the NE corner of Vermont and Clinton and looks east on Clinton. I can't explain
the Musart name. Perhaps the building was known by both names.

Below, we're looking east on Clinton toward Juanita, with the old Theatre Mart building on the left. The heavily graffittied
entrance at left is the one indicated on the DRUNKARD ENTRANCE sign the servicemen are posed by. To the left of the utility
pole, the partially obscured window must be the one we see with the awning in the vintage photo:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...n.jpg~original

Feb 2017 GSV


The eastern part of the Theatre Mart with the slanted roof appears to have been built after this 1937 photo:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7557307)

BDiH, I also thought that was the site of the old LA Press Club! However, it was across the street on the NE
corner of Vermont and Clinton; this is the Clinton Street side in 1937. The LAPL says the building opened in 1928,
hosted a production of The Drunkard from 1933-59, and was the LA Press Club from 1960 to 1988. It's still there,
apparently now a nightclub:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original
00098254 @ LAPL


Paul C. Koehler Jun 24, 2017 4:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7843981)
Paul, I just wanted to say that I appreciate the additional information you've provided on many things previously posted in the thread, but also because I enjoy seeing some photos again that I like, that I may have forgotten about!

Martin:

You are welcome, I'm tring to get caught up, started about 6 or 7 weeks ago and I'm up to page 1840. As I see things that I know about I try and respond. After I catch up I'll post some of my pictures. I have lived in Glendale CA for over 70 years.

Paul C. Koehl;er

Lorendoc Jun 24, 2017 6:25 AM

Still more rain
 
Here is another street flood scene from the LAT photo archive; it is captioned "Commercial street flooded during or after a heavy rainstorm, Los Angeles County, 1927."

http://i.imgur.com/yNXBEa2.jpg
LAT via UCLA Digital Library
Zoom-able version here

What's going on here? It looks like 3 men are trying to extract a stuck truck by using a wood beam as a lever. They don't seem to be having much luck. There is a really big pile of dirt in the middle of the street. How and why did it get there?

So this picture turns out to have enough clues that we can determine the location: it is looking west on W Slauson at 3rd Ave. The smudge circled above in red when zoomed in looks like this:

http://i.imgur.com/T6iAKgZ.jpg

I think the rooftop sign says "West Coast Mesa Theatre" which was at 5807 Angeles Mesa (now Crenshaw). We have seen this sign at least twice before on the thread. BRR posted it three and five years ago:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original

http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015413.jpg

The 1927 photo has at least two other businesses that confirm the location: Lloyd's Service Station on the left, and a radio business on the right. The 1927 LA city directory contains listings for:

Lloyd Wm F serv sta 2502 W Slauson
Woodworth Fred radios 2507 W Slauson h2513 same


Here is the current view:

http://i.imgur.com/gklFddg.jpg
GSV

The service station is still in a car-adjacent business, it seems, 90 years later, and it and the radio store may still be standing according to the LA County Assessor. (Check out the roof line above the "Auto Electric" sign.). The theater is long gone.

Otis Criblecoblis Jun 24, 2017 9:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rustifer (Post 7841245)
So what did you think of "Reserved for Mr. Bailey"? I hadn't seen this episode since the day it was first aired in 1961. I had vaguely remembered that Stu talked to a mannequin a lot, and that he got stuck in some kind of hole. it was great to see it again and refresh my memories. I was hoping this was one of the 7 episode that Roger Smith wrote or co-wrote, as those seem to be the best of the series. It was not one of his, though. "The Attic" and "the Silent Caper" are two of the most interesting that Smith wrote and starred in.

I, too, DVR all the episodes in hopes of recording enough of them to binge watch on a rainy weekend night. But I get too excited and can't wait to watch the newest recorded episode once I get home from work.

We haven't gotten to it yet. We're 6 episodes back. But we're looking forward to it. It was written and directed by Montgomery Pittman, who was known for that writer/director combo during his too-short career. He was building quite a reputation for high-quality TV when he passed away from cancer at the age of 45.

In a desperate attempt to tie this into the thread: I found the pilot, "Girl on The Run", on Dailymotion, and was intrigued to discover that it is not merely noirish, but expressly film noir in style and substance--quite different from the light, breezy tone of the show, although the Stu Bailey character is still completely recognizable.

We like the Roger Smith-penned episodes we have seen, too. I hope MeTV keeps running the show long enough to loop back to the beginning of the run. We started DVRing at season 3 episode 13. We would just buy the complete show outright on DVD, but it is bafflingly not available.

Martin Pal Jun 24, 2017 5:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7844419)
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7844060)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/MzPc9O.jpg
old file as well (flickr?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/NR42RL.jpg
________________________________________________________________


e_r, your photo shows the Theatre Mart at the NE corner of Vermont and Clinton and looks east on Clinton. I can't explain
the Musart name. Perhaps the building was known by both names.


Below, we're looking east on Clinton toward Juanita, with the old Theatre Mart building on the left. The heavily graffittied
entrance at left is the one indicated on the DRUNKARD ENTRANCE sign the servicemen are posed by. To the left of the utility
pole, the partially obscured window must be the one we see with the awning in the vintage photo:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...n.jpg~original

Feb 2017 GSV

The eastern part of the Theatre Mart with the slanted roof appears to have been built after this 1937 photo:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7557307)
BDiH, I also thought that was the site of the old LA Press Club! However, it was across the street on the NE
corner of Vermont and Clinton; this is the Clinton Street side in 1937. The LAPL says the building opened in 1928,
hosted a production of The Drunkard from 1933-59, and was the LA Press Club from 1960 to 1988. It's still there,
apparently now a nightclub:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original
00098254 @ LAPL
_______________________________________________________________

_______________________________________________________________



I am glad you figured out this location Flyingwedge! I was trying to for quite awhile yesterday. There IS actually a Musart Theatre at 1320 S. Figueroa St.,
but the few photos I found of it are no match for the location with the soldiers near Vermont and Clinton, which is, by my calculations, a little less than three miles.

A 1949 photo of the Musart Theatre, 1320 S. Figueroa St.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5...65834%2BPM.jpg

It was home to many WPA Federal Theatre productions and the Library of Congress has a colection of posters of productions done there.
I had looked up to see if The Drunkard played there, but no luck. Your research proved why.

In the 40's the Musart was managed by a playwright named John P. Cousin, formerly spelled Cussen. If those soldiers returned a year after
that picture was taken they could have seen this play of his:

https://sites.google.com/site/downto...art-Jericl.jpg

History page for the Musart Theatre:
https://sites.google.com/site/downto...musart-theatre

That location is where the L.A. Convention Center is located presently.

As to why someone wrote Musart on the back of that photo, we don't know, but perhaps when the photo came back from the developer,
weeks, months, a year later, that's the theatre name that stuck in someone's head. Perhaps the photographer had been there and it's the
name he remembered. I'm glad you knew actually where it was! I also wonder if those soldiers actually saw The Drunkard, or they
just thought a picture by that sign would be amusing.

__________________________________________________________________

Actually, a couple years ago E_R found that "Two in a Bed" matchbook and inquired about the theatre:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=30888

And Tovangar2 provided some information:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=30889

HossC Jun 24, 2017 7:00 PM

It's time for another mystery location from Julius Shulman today. It's "Job 311: Randolph Chalfant Head, Ross-Loos Clinic (Long Beach, Calif.), 1948".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

It appears to be a corner plot. I had hoped to find the street name painted on the curb when I zoomed in, but it just says "No Parking A.P.D.". If I could read the sign on the left it might give some clues.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

The last shot gives a closer view of the entrance. The number on the door is 1000.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

NB. This is not the Ross-Loos Medical Group building at 3850 Long Beach Boulevard - I hope to post Julius Shulman pictures of that tomorrow.

DViator Jun 24, 2017 7:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7844248)
I had to laugh at that Tara-style house. They "corrected" the design. Half the charm of Tara (according to a friend suffering from Scarlet Fever) was that it was asymetrical (as opposed to the neighbor's grand pile). I'm told this was much discussed in the book. Selsnick faithfully built the set as the author described it:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jc...Q=w509-h635-no
pinterest

Interesting! I never noticed that the entry was off center in the movie version (which would be odd for a grand plantation house). But I'm not so sure the movie version was faithful to the book, either - in the novel, the house started off as a small dwelling that came with the land, and the family added on to it whenever and wherever it was convenient. From what I've been able to dig up online Margaret Mitchell wouldn't authorize any sort of licensing for that facade you mentioned that's in storage in Atlanta because she felt it was nothing like what she had envisioned.

Earl Boebert Jun 24, 2017 8:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7844731)
It's time for another mystery location from Julius Shulman today. It's "Job 311: Randolph Chalfant Head, Ross-Loos Clinic (Long Beach, Calif.), 1948".

It appears to be a corner plot. I had hoped to find the street name painted on the curb when I zoomed in, but it just says "No Parking A.P.D.". If I could read the sign on the left it might give some clues.

[snipped]

The sign appears to be five lines of doctor's names, none of which I could read :-(

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Jun 25, 2017 1:34 AM

I tried to locate the Ross-Loos Clinic this afternoon but failed. :(

ethereal_reality Jun 25, 2017 3:29 AM

Thanks for the details about the Tara set tovangar2. -quite interesting.

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I wasn't aware of this production company until I happened upon this slide the other night on ebay.

The Jerry Fairbanks Productions of California, Los Angeles [1960....supposedly]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/TrJ9Ky.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...QAAOSwjvJZS4RM


I believe I found the building on the 1300 block of Vine Street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/ZGVPRt.jpg

Whattya' think?
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If that's it, it's been decapitated. :(
_

ethereal_reality Jun 25, 2017 4:00 AM

And here's a fine look at Union Station in 1951.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/3YICyV.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-Slide-L...YAAOSwjvJZRyRW

I remember discussing the Gruen watch signs a few years back on NLA.

There used to be one at the entrance to the Hollywood Bowl.
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Beaudry Jun 25, 2017 5:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7845007)
Thanks for the details about the Tara set tovangar2. -quite interesting.

_


I wasn't aware of this production company until I happened upon this slide the other night on ebay.

The Jerry Fairbanks Productions of California, Los Angeles [1960....supposedly]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/TrJ9Ky.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...QAAOSwjvJZS4RM


I believe I found the building on the 1300 block of Vine Street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/ZGVPRt.jpg

Whattya' think?
__

If that's it, it's been decapitated. :(
_


That's it! Truncated. Sad. Not sure when they decapitated the poor girl. But it looks like she was shaved and shorn bit by bit over the years:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4258/3...f1fe0cb6_b.jpgbruce torrence

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4218/3...77e37ed3_b.jpgmartintumball


The tower was still there according to the 1980 Hollywood Survey:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4280/3...63b13dfb_o.png
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4213/3...a699a52a_o.pnghwoodsurvey

512 S Hobart is by the same architect, 1929:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4286/3...3c899038_o.png

ethereal_reality Jun 25, 2017 5:30 AM

:previous: That night photo of the building as the Radio Center Market is fantastic Beaudry.

I did a double-take when I saw the Trump Cleaners sign.
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I found this long (16 inches) photograph on ebay last night.

It shows the Hartman Apartment at Washington and Oak.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/cdSvSP.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/c1910-Los-An...0AAOSw3YJZTIXa

be sure to scroll right--->




Here's a slightly closer look at the apartment building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/SiNjIF.jpg

Understated and elegant.




And the two homes next door. (to the west of the apt bldg I believe)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/hwoXWc.jpg



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/ysHKsR.jpglapl

I believe all three structures are gone. :(

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Lorendoc Jun 25, 2017 7:12 AM

Another survivor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7844731)
It's time for another mystery location from Julius Shulman today. It's "Job 311: Randolph Chalfant Head, Ross-Loos Clinic (Long Beach, Calif.), 1948".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

This particular Ross-Loos clinic was at 1000 S. Garfield in Alhambra. It is now the Buddhist Tzu Chi Medical Foundation.

http://i.imgur.com/yfUmT9A.jpg
GSV

mrfredmertz Jun 25, 2017 9:22 AM

Re: The Theater Mart

The show "The Drunkard" was fortified in the 1950s with a musical version that played on alternate nights called "The Wayward Way." Same story but with music added. AS well, the pianist of the show in the 1930s was the father of the 30s movie star (and "Titanic" star a decade ago) Gloria Stewart, who was listed in the 1930s copy of The Drunkard playbill as having seen the show many dozens of times.

HossC Jun 25, 2017 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7845042)

I found this long (16 inches) photograph on ebay last night.

It shows the Hartman Apartment at Washington and Oak.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/cdSvSP.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/c1910-Los-An...0AAOSw3YJZTIXa

I believe all three structures are gone. :(

I think I found a demo permit for the Hartman Apartments dated 1977. The building currently on the corner of W Washington and Oak seems to have been built in 1978. The edge of the
1978 building can just be seen on the left of this screengrab from the CHiPs episode 'CHP BMX', which was probably filmed in late 1978 or early 1979 (the original air date was March 1979).
As you can see, most of the block was empty.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rtmanApts1.jpg
MGM TV/Rosner TV

By contrast, the houses on the street in the background all appear to have survived. All the houses I checked on this block of W 20th Street have build dates between 1901 and 1910.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
Both from GSV

The similarly aged houses on the north side of W 20th Street obviously weren't so lucky. They were still standing when this (previously seen) 1961 photo of freeway construction was taken.
I've arrowed the Hartman Apartments. The building directly above is the extant former IOOF Hall at 1828 Oak Street. We covered that in post #16716 and post #16717.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Tourmaline Jun 25, 2017 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7845038)
That's it! Truncated. Sad. Not sure when they decapitated the poor girl. But it looks like she was shaved and shorn bit by bit over the years:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4258/3...f1fe0cb6_b.jpgbruce torrence.




Jess Willard, former heavyweight champion. :hi: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=18159



Jess Willard's Market, circa 1931
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044351.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044351.jpg

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id514886878Getty


http://cdn.content.easports.com/medi...RTRAIT_MXV.jpghttp://cdn.content.easports.com/medi...RTRAIT_MXV.jpg


Quote:

Former heavyweight boxing champ Jess Willard, now 85. Photo dated: December 30, 1966.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics36/00052880.jpgLAPL

GaylordWilshire Jun 25, 2017 1:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7845090)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7845042)

It shows the Hartman Apartment at Washington and Oak.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/SiNjIF.jpg

Understated and elegant.


And the two homes next door. (to the west of the apt bldg I believe)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/hwoXWc.jpg


The similarly aged houses on the north side of W 20th Street obviously weren't so lucky. They were still standing when this (previously seen) 1961 photo of freeway construction was taken.
I've arrowed the Hartman Apartments. The building directly above is the extant former IOOF Hall at 1828 Oak Street. We covered that in post #16716 and post #16717.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library



It was actually the HartmaNN apartments--Frederick A Hartmann owned mines in Mexico and had come to LA in the late '90s--bought the house at 926 W Washington (the house just west of the apartment building) soon after. He bought the swc of Wash & Oak in 1905 and then the next year built the apt house there, with John Krempel designing it. Around the same time, Krempel remodeled 926 after a fire in August 1906. FA's son Frederick C Hartmann lived at 917 W 20th, behind his father (house appears in the freeway-construction aerial, 4th west from Oak, gone now). In 1927, FA's son Adolph moved his father's house next door to his own, address 919 W 20th--it can also be seen in the aerial. Looks like the Hartmanns owned at least one other house on the block, at the sec of Washington & Toberman.


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