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tovangar2 Jun 7, 2015 6:52 AM

:previous:


The El Rey Hotel on the right. City Towel Supply on the left:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c...02948%2BAM.jpg
gsv

I don't remember these e_r. I can't remember anything. I use google image search.


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Re the Fine Arts Studio: Built ca. 1914, as the Majestic-Reliance Studios on Sunset Blvd, became the home of D. W. Griffith and Mutual Pictures. The lot was then renamed the Fine Arts Studio. "The Birth of a Nation" (1915) and "Broken Blossoms" (1919) were partially shot here. To take the photo you posted, I think the cameraperson may have been up on the "Intolerance" (1916) sets (built where the Vista is now). In 1921 the lot was called "Gooden Studios".

Tiffany-Stahl took over the lot in 1927. It was renamed the Tiffany Studios in 1930, California Tiffany Studios in 1932 and then Talisman Studios (a rental lot). Columbia took over in the 50s. A 60s fire destroyed everything except one sound stage which was demolished in 1975. The lot was then sold for commercial development:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j...13257%2BAM.jpg
movie locations plus

A Von's grocery store and parking lot now occupies the site:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y...14727%2BAM.jpg
google maps

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J...21044%2BPM.jpg
image archeology

Miss Gish gives everything she's got for D.W. in "Broken Blossoms" (1919):
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...21747%2BAM.jpg
D.W. Griffith Productions

Martin Pal Jun 7, 2015 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slauson Slim (Post 7052666)
Did you ever ride the streetcars? I did - PE to Santa Monica or Long Beach. Cars to downtown shopping with my mom, Hollywood, etc. Fond memories.

Just wondering about your visceral memories of this. Were the cars noisy? Did
they have bells or whistles to signify anything? Were there any particular odors associated with the cars? How were fares paid? Were they usually clean? Were stops called out? Stuff like that.

Tourmaline Jun 7, 2015 6:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7053692)
Just wondering about your visceral memories of this. Were the cars noisy? Did
they have bells or whistles to signify anything? Were there any particular odors associated with the cars? How were fares paid? Were they usually clean? Were stops called out? Stuff like that.


I never rode LA's street cars, but as a bona fide romantic, I have ridden older cars in Europe and in the US. Fares were paid no different than with buses. You generally dealt with the driver/motorman, but there were conductors who also served that purpose.

As you might expect, a lot has to do with insulation and creature comforts, many of which probably never existed in the majority of LA Street Cars. Many stops and crowding produces frowns. Always better to be moving with a breeze, except when freezing cold. Similar to driving in an older bus or car without air condition and the windows half opened. Traffic noise, including metal wheels rolling on metal tracks, along with bell clanging at crossings and stops can be both melodic and annoying. Wooden slat seats are not particularly comfortable for long durations and I would expect to occasionally experience the ozone scent provided by electric traction motors. And if you enjoy second hand smoke and horrendous perfumes, you are in for a treat. Welcome aboard!



Anyone have a spare diaper?
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics15/00027024.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics15/00027024.jpg


St. Charles street car, NO
http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/new...veus10069s.jpghttp://www.aviewoncities.com/img/new...veus10069s.jpg


Dallas
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=...b353_z.jpg&f=1https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=...b353_z.jpg&f=1




Memphis
http://cdn3.vtourist.com/4/2882854-V...rs_Memphis.jpghttp://cdn3.vtourist.com/4/2882854-V...rs_Memphis.jpg

MichaelRyerson Jun 7, 2015 7:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6572457)
Lucky find: There seemed to be no J. A. Pitch in L.A. CDs... but I did find a reference to one in the Times of November 30, 1925, living at 5401 La Cresta Court. He was referred to as a landlord, apparently owning several or all of the little houses in the neighborhood...which appears to be somewhat of a hidden jewel. Anyway, below is the house which once had a practically new '36 Ford in one of its front rooms:

http://i.imgur.com/VYOLZRM.jpg?1?8859


The driver's view moments before barrelling north on St. Andrews Place and climbing the steps of 5401...

http://i.imgur.com/bhceWiL.jpg?1?1596


I'd use my chainsaw on those annoying bushes, but then 5402 Monroe Avenue below gives you a good idea of what the little houses looked like before rampant, architecture-obscuring vegetation took hold in L.A....

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...2520AM.bmp.jpg


Previous mayhem: The little noirish/James M. Cainish story that first led me to the neighborhood took place at 5402 Monroe...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...2520AM.bmp.jpgLAT Nov 30, 1925



http://i.imgur.com/6V1ayGb.jpg?1?7437


A blue shotgun streetsign from the past always suggests the noir era to me...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-h...2520AM.bmp.jpg

FWIW: The first house my parents owned and the first home about which I have a clear memory was at 5428 Monroe Street (about half a block west of this little court). We lived there from about 1946 until we moved to Reseda in '54. I remember La Cresta Court well.

Martin Pal Jun 7, 2015 8:49 PM

Thanks for your thoughts on my query, Tourmaline.

ethereal_reality Jun 7, 2015 8:54 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/lISL38.jpg
eBay


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...911/BZNRC5.jpg
reverse


I looked up Apostolic Churches in the 1938 Los Angeles directory, but I didn't find one with a Pastor Alvis.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...537/3QcnjU.jpg
lapl



Thx for pointing out the El Rey Hotel in that 1960 accident clipping t2.

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HossC Jun 7, 2015 9:50 PM

:previous:

The 1938 CD lists Reverend Wilbur W Alvis as pastor of the Valley Mission Church. I also found a Mrs Lillian Volstead, who I assume is the Mrs Lillian Volstad from the caption.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...isVolstead.jpg
LAPL

GaylordWilshire Jun 7, 2015 9:53 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...20PM.jpg?gl=USGSV

NE corner of Ave 64 and Roble Ave... looks like the same garage, moved back.


Just down the street from the Judson Studios...a 2013 post of yours, ER:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13839

ethereal_reality Jun 7, 2015 9:55 PM

:previous: Thanks HossC and GW.


"LAX, waiting for Soviet diplomat, 1959."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/Q3dosn.jpg
eBay







"View of Sepulveda Boulevard in Westchester, Los Angeles. You can see the Loyola Theater, J.C. Penney Co., Sav-on Drug Store, The Broadway dept. store, Harbor gas station,
a bus, and an LAPD motorcycle escort for visiting Soviet diplomat Nikita Khrushchev."

Dec. 1959
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/1wsict.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-Slide-1...item51d1cd2ce7




Nikita Khrushchev's motorcade heads for downtown Los Angeles, just east of the athletic field at Belmont high School, where Beverly Boulevard turns into 1st Street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/iWfP3a.jpg
The Los Angeles Police Department via http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...5d8ac3b970c-pi

the same view today.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/T0JWxV.jpg
gsv

:previous: The two tall palms next to the old house are still there. (the house itself is gone)















detail of corner
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/kqwN5V.jpg

and today
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/78PQ2X.jpg
gsv

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tovangar2 Jun 7, 2015 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7053749)
FWIW: The first house my parents owned and the first home about which I have a clear memory was at 5428 Monroe Street (about half a block west of this little court). We lived there from about 1946 until we moved to Reseda in '54. I remember La Cresta Court well.

Unfortunately my childhood home now looks like this:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...35326%2BPM.jpg
redfin

ethereal_reality Jun 7, 2015 11:19 PM

:previous: Wow, your childhood home was on the beach t2? What did it look like before the 'moderization'?
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tovangar2 Jun 7, 2015 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7053904)
:previous: Wow, your childhood home was on the beach t2? What did it look like before the 'moderization'?
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It wasn't a modernization. It was a demolition.

The house looked like many others down that way, big, single-story frame places with deep eaves. Built in the teens or twenties. The yards were brick (front and back) with a sand yard on the north side. I dunno where that palm tree came from, we just had ice plant
The place there now is a 4-unit condo building.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5927040)
A view from the south, ca 1920s. The Redondo power plant may be seen at the lower edge. Santa Monica Bay curves around to Malibu, upper left.
The Manhattan Beach Pier is the next one north. Farmland (including the famous flower farms) and countryside were not far away.
Tiny Hermosa is just 15 blocks from east to west and 40 blocks from north to south.
This view explains why my mother was always so anxious to escape "into town". Hermosa was too provincial for her.
My childhood home was five blocks south of the pier at 7th and Strand, now demolished and replaced with condos:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3...82243%2BAM.jpg
lapl


Beaudry Jun 7, 2015 11:43 PM

So, there should be no argument that Maidens of Fetish Street AKA Girls on F Street is a weird, terrible, wonderful picture—described in a review here—and note, if you will that in the accompanying video, at 1:04, there's the stained glass of The Castle. It's not the only Bunker Hill reference, later on the narrator makes a point of saying the "House of Fetish" is up on the Hill, first mentioning that our protagonist Nick takes the Flight:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8896/1...0acc8a89_z.jpg(all screen grabs, from Maidens, SWV)

This is the Angels Flight...that ascends and descends countless times daily...where the angels fear to tread, the flight that is incapable of surmounting the plight of our human misery. Where this hill has never budged and bridged the border of the ravaged slum with all its potent and stomach turning smells, when each individual's flight to the top of the hill never seems to leave behind his despaired hopes and disillusioned agonies. Nick is no different from all the others; and its thirty-second journey of hopeless dejection.

Which brings us to the question, where was the House of Fetish? Because when Jim Dawson said it was the Berke Mansion, up on Bunker Hill at Second and Hope, and I took a look at the film, I was sold. But years later I took another look and it's not the Berke. Compare:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/428/18...5b45702e_c.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/401/18...93d99209_c.jpgcalstatelib

I mean you can see how one would certainly think so, but no. Some more shots of the mystery house:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8834/1...39cca072_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8834/1...94811002_z.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8885/1...5854900c_z.jpg

I thought I'd figured it out, actually—it had to be that mucked-up house at the corner of Edgware and Carroll. But no, turns out that was the Stilson-Bradford House, looked nothing like this. What got me thinking that in part is that after Nick rides up Angels Flight and it shows the panorama of "the Hill," that's actually shot from the roof of the Stilson-Bradford House:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8835/1...5e9294f6_c.jpg

Moreover, in the establishing shot of "the city", judging by the way the DWP is turned, its relationship to City Hall, and how the Hwd Fwy runs, certainly seems like Carroll Ave, or nearby:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8857/1...f0005664_z.jpg

Of course I just realized that I could have just posted a single image of the house and one the Noirishers here would have in ten seconds said "Oh yeah, that's the Schmendrik-Doppes House" or somesuch...but explanatory text and pictures are much more fun.

Tourmaline Jun 7, 2015 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6608477)
Here's an undated birdseye view of Sixth Street looking west from Flower Street. From the cars and the fact that the Richfield building is still standing, I'd guess at mid- to late-60s. In the background are the Statler Hilton, Rex Arms and Gates Hotel.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

Just to the left of the gates is the Ritz Hotel, and in the corner is Darms Market. The Ritz name looks like a hasty change. The 1960 CD lists the Milner Hotel at 822 W 6th. The current building on that site seems to have been built between 1973 and 1974.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Detail of picture above.

Just for fun, here's a view of the same block from 1926.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

Back in 1926, the building next to the Gates was the Hotel Lee. It also appears that it was known as the Lee Building (see name at top). The corner later occupied by Darms Market was the New China Cafe, complete with one of those once ubiquitous Chop Suey signs.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
Detail of picture above.


Names change more often than buildings?


There are some obvious differences between the Ritz or plain "Milner" Hotel at 822 W 6th and the Ritz-Milner Hotel at 813 S Flower.


By all accounts, this is/was the 813 S. Flower location in June 1929.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/11780/rec/89




http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0








http://homepage3.nifty.com/worldtrav...7/milner01.jpghttp://homepage3.nifty.com/worldtrav...7/milner01.jpg






http://images.oyster.com/photos/stre...54184-1600.jpghttp://images.oyster.com/photos/stre...54184-1600.jpg

Tourmaline Jun 8, 2015 1:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 6243539)
In the last few months my wife and I have bicycled around L.A. a lot, with frequent trips downtown. In these explorations we soon realized that the easiest, flattest north/south routes were those closest to the L.A. River. For reasons of convenience and historical interest, one of my favorite downtown streets has become Santa Fe Avenue (named for the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe line that once terminated there) and it's northern extension, Center Street.

This is an interesting if somewhat overlooked part of town. It's best known building was probably the amazing La Grande station, with it's Moorish domes, which has appeared here many times.

http://dkse.net/david/SF.Ave/santafedepotlosan.jpg



A simpler time.




1938 - Several "Chiefs" at Le Grande Station
http://econtent.unm.edu/utils/ajaxhe...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://econtent.unm.edu/utils/ajaxhe...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://econtent.unm.edu/utils/ajaxhe...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://econtent.unm.edu/utils/ajaxhe...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://econtent.unm.edu/cdm/singleit.../12506/rec/165

ethereal_reality Jun 8, 2015 3:45 AM

A snapshot taken from one of the rooms in the Milner Hotel (late 1960s or early 70s?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/g1wIo5.jpg
eBay



The California Gas Co. building and annex across the street from the Milner.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/nBgcDZ.jpg
eBay




looking southeast.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/uOeMqm.jpg
eBay



The photos are from a real-estate portfolio I came across on eBay a couple years ago.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/LTUzfB.jpg
eBay

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/7bdLAV.jpg

I've been trying to make heads or tails of this portfolio (the sellers didn't include all the details)-so it's a bit confusing.



originally posted by Tourmaline
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/pEmn6Z.jpg

As far as I can tell, the parking garage in Tourmaline's photo (that I've outlined in red) replaced this attractive building (below).

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/9UpjWI.jpg
eBay


In this image, the building that was lost to the parking garage has been colored in red and numbered as 1. (the arrow points to the Ritz-Milner)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/4i1kZt.jpg
real estate portfolio / eBay

Does anyone have information on this building cloaked in red?
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The giant blue 'flame' atop the Gas Building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/qHCqJJ.jpg
eBay / detail

So did this light up at night? I imagine that it did, but I've never observed it in any vintage photographs.



It would have be located here; across from the Ritz-Milner Hotel.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/6Ox5CM.jpg
gsv

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Slauson Slim Jun 8, 2015 4:09 AM

Martin Pal wrote:

"Just wondering about your visceral memories of this. Were the cars noisy? Did
they have bells or whistles to signify anything? Were there any particular odors associated with the cars? How were fares paid? Were they usually clean? Were stops called out? Stuff like that."

I do not recall them as unduly noisy, noise of the wheels, traffic noise and car horns, there was a bell when starting, and I don't recall stops being called out. They were not smelly or dirty - but more like most public transit, they were not spotless like a Swiss train. Fares were paid at the front to the motorman, and he made change. On the LA Ry or MTA during crowded commute hours people would board by the middle door - a conductor on the street would take the money and make change and hand out transfers and let folks on - he wore a belt with a change holder.

I remember the older cars with a seat and controls for the motorman at both ends. These had wicker seats. None of the cars were air conditioned - it could be hot in the cars. I remember people leaving newspapers on the seats that others would read.

I most often took the 7 Car Downtown from Slauson and Broadway - many times with my mother shopping at May Co. or The Broadway, etc. A treat was lunch at the Pig n' Whistle or Clifton's, or an Orange Julius with an egg. She always wore a smart suit or dress, gloves and a hat with a veil - one dressed up to go shopping. She never carried packages, she had things delivered. We never ate or drank in the cars - my mom said it was bad manners. We would go to Hollywood and Wilshire too, but I don't have much memory of that.

Beaudry Jun 8, 2015 6:10 AM

Speaking of Maidens of Fetish Street (as mentioned in my post above), as long as these're on my desktop, might as well toss 'em out here, as they should be of interest and recognizable to most!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8864/1...cbacf4f9_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8893/1...70974cb7_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/548/18...7b605aab_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/424/18...e85d99bd_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8891/1...a1ce182f_c.jpg
(screengrabs from Maidens via SWV)

CityBoyDoug Jun 8, 2015 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slauson Slim (Post 7054132)
Martin Pal wrote:

"Just wondering about your visceral memories of this. Were the cars noisy? Did
they have bells or whistles to signify anything? Were there any particular odors associated with the cars? How were fares paid? Were they usually clean? Were stops called out? Stuff like that."

I do not recall them as unduly noisy, noise of the wheels, traffic noise and car horns, there was a bell when starting, and I don't recall stops being called out. They were not smelly or dirty - but more like most public transit, they were not spotless like a Swiss train. Fares were paid at the front to the motorman, and he made change. On the LA Ry or MTA during crowded commute hours people would board by the middle door - a conductor on the street would take the money and make change and hand out transfers and let folks on - he wore a belt with a change holder.

I remember the older cars with a seat and controls for the motorman at both ends. These had wicker seats. None of the cars were air conditioned - it could be hot in the cars. I remember people leaving newspapers on the seats that others would read.

I most often took the 7 Car Downtown from Slauson and Broadway - many times with my mother shopping at May Co. or The Broadway, etc. A treat was lunch at the Pig n' Whistle or Clifton's, or an Orange Julius with an egg. She always wore a smart suit or dress, gloves and a hat with a veil - one dressed up to go shopping. She never carried packages, she had things delivered. We never ate or drank in the cars - my mom said it was bad manners. We would go to Hollywood and Wilshire too, but I don't have much memory of that.

Great memories Slim.
Vintage change maker. You rarely see these today in 2015.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psk8ucrnd0.jpg
Reffile

ethereal_reality Jun 8, 2015 6:41 PM

Excellent noirish screen-grabs Beaudry.




The building on the southwest corner of Hollywood Blvd. and Serrano Avenue.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/zu98jm.jpg



It became home to the Hollywood Conservatory of Music and Arts. (the school opened on Nov. 17, 1925)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/TBX4Y8.jpg
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/206039751676475756/




Later, the name was changed to the Hollywood Professional School. (note the missing ornamental 'roofline')

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/eNkk4Z.jpg
http://www.squareone.org/HPS/






View from the motel swimming pool on the northeast corner of Hollywood & Serrano.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/jlpiDo.jpg
http://www.squareone.org/HPS/


today, the site is an empty lot.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/gbGHkT.jpg
google_earth
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The article at http://www.squareone.org/HPS/ also included this.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...905/cFVCT4.jpg

The 5400 building is at upper left, but I'm unsure where the building at upper right was located.
The article describes it as....."the newly acquired resident apartment." -but didn't include an address.

And the house at lower right?...."the annex was a house down the street on Serrano." -but no specific address was given.

The woman (I thought it was a handsome man) is Gladys T. Littell, founder and director.

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