^Because for most young men, masturbation involves fantasization.

400 N. LSD mini info...

Okay, so thi is is what I've heard through more than reputable channels;

-Expect two towers

-I asked if one would be taller than the bKL one in LSE, and was told "way"

-Was mentioned a material not used in almost 100 years would be apart of the project and C. Shawn yelled out 'terra-cotta' and there was no response other than we know too much already. We both said at the same time 'SHoP Architects', and again met with silence.

Curius

Stay tuned for community meetings I'm guessing later this year

I can't wait..! It's been a long time comin'

Well, this is pretty damn exciting... keep us posted BVic!

Sorry, but which building in Lakeshore East is “bKL one”?

Thanks

Was referring to the taller proposal in at Wacker & LSD

Bvic, I'm trying not to get my hopes up because it's all unconfirmed, but you just made my month.

Nice update, BVictor.

But remember that this is a Related, king of the bait and switch...

Official announcement 3rd, 4th quarter this year? Or is this "completely" up in the air. Is it too much to expect 800 feet for both of the two towers?

^^^^I'll just give you one more tickler... It's not SHoP

Great news! 2 towers!

Thanks for the insider info, bvic!




Is it BIG, as originally speculated back when we started this thread 2.5 years ago?

Terracotta could be interesting. Used in conjunction with modern design, or designed as a retro throwback, I wonder.

Is there anything else that could mean?

^^ Not BIG. Think local, and recognizable for this type of job.

Please be Antunovich!

:haha:

Local firm recognizable for tall residential towers? Studio Gang?

Farther down that list: bKL, SCB, Lagrange?

Perhaps in collaboration with Lucien Lagrange? I'm looking forward to the first megatall with a mansard roof :cheers:

1st guess Smith+Gill
2nd SOM
3rd Juan
4th Gang
5th P&W
Not crazy about 2 towers for this site but will have to see the design. Terra cotta has been used recently in various paneling systems for cladding so I am not sure that would cut the 100 year remark.

Smith/Gill and SOM are good guesses, given that Related hired former SOM-architect Mike Pfeffer not too long ago.

Wood. Related is going to yet slash costs more by building the first wooden supertall + mansard roof made of clay.

Super exciting news. Two towers does seem reasonable for the site (though I'd prefer one giant monster tower). If the main tower could still be 2000+ feet that would be fantastic.

https://i.imgur.com/DtKGWKg.jpg

Can you imagine the nightmare that’d be? 😂

My guess is SOM for this and like 1,272 feet. Thought if it’s terra cotta I’m not totally sure I could see them doing that.

Hope for something that can punch through our growing 1150 ft roof height plateau.

Might as well make it 1,451

"If you're going to be thinking anyway, you might as well think big" - POTUS' ghost writer

I was really hoping for BIG or ZHA. But SOM/AS+GG are certainly up to the task.

I was never a fan of a 2000 ft tower at this location. From the lake, and Navy Pier, it would totally overpower the skyline. Chicago's skyline is all about balance. Something between 1200 and 1500 ft would be dope though. Two towers in that height range would be insane.

So did every building that has ever broken a height record. The Empire State Building in New York. The Sears Tower in Chicago. If 'overpowering the skyline' was a valid argument then we would have no skyscrapers today. Why this argument is still propagated around here bewilders me.

From the lake and Navy Pier this site lands somewhat in the center of the skyline so I'm not seeing how a tall tower here would unbalance the skyline. It would be the high point of the mountain of towes.

And terracotta hasn't been used in 100 years? That can't be right.

For me anything below 1500ft for this site is disappointing. This is one of the most valuable sites in the U.S. And the only chance for Chicago to have a 1500 footer for the next decade or 2

^ then in that case set your phaser to disappointment.

I'll be very surprised if related goes north of 1,500' here.

Afterall, we're talking about Related. R - E - L - A - T - E - D.

Are there any examples of recent skyscrapers using terra-cota? I'm trying to picture what that would be like. I can only think of classical and art-deco buildings with terra-cota.

111 w 57th in NY

That’s silly; Personally, I’d be thrilled with even a 1,200’ tall building if it was well-designed....but then again, my number is just as arbitrary as yours, so, oh well..

They already have the foundation to support something ridiculously tall, so it would be strange to me if they didn’t take full advantage of it.

Others can speak more on this issue, but isn’t the foundation the most significant cost element to going that high? Of course there are other marginal costs to additional height—e.g. less usable floor space on lower levels, maybe more complicated logistics—but those seem relatively inconsequential. But maybe I’m wrong.

You saved me from typing out my exact thought. If it's taller than Sears then I'll be ecstatic, but I'd take a couple well designed true supertalls over one big sky penis.

I thought because of its relatively centered location East/West in relation to the downtown area it did bring a balance to the skyline

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vGwCDm3r3m8/maxresdefault.jpg

http://cdn.coda-craven.org/wp-conten...d-1280x800.jpg

And from a North/South viewing it sort of bookended the skyline to the lake.

http://s25.postimg.org/r1bj94edr/IMG...608_212206.jpg

https://www.designboom.com/tools/WPr...s/11y/cal1.jpg

When the Sears Tower and JHC were built, they were said to stick out until the city filled in more around them. This site already has some momentum behind it. I hope they go bigger than 1500'.

If we got something the quality and scope of this building I'm sure we'd all be happy.

This is my thought exactly. If it’s 1300-1400 feet it’ll look like the tallest building in the skyline from the lake front. It’d be the biggest game changer since the Sears tower. Tribune tower is also going up at about 1,400 ft if that stay the same. So this could be incredible.

Why is everyone so focused on the view from the lake?

Yes that’s the postcard shot, but most people most of the time are actually viewing the skyline from the other direction. It’s the view from the Kennedy that really counts.

Shouldn't be too long now. Rumor from about a month ago (sorry, I have been out of town a lot lately) was that official news can be expected before late spring.

Design firm's name will not break any past precedents here, but their approach to this particular project might.

With it still being mostly centered in our skyline I think it looks balanced from either way.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/1CQu....00_20AM.0.png

If you were to add One Bennett Park, Vista, and Wolf Point South, then it really makes the center the new peak, pulling attention away from the N/S extremes. It's a literal transformation of the skyline in 10 years.

^To the point that if you erased Sears from skyline and history, and then proposed it now in 2018, people might find it odd to have such a tall building so far to the south. Transit nodes notwithstanding.

Sorry it is the view from the El that counts !

there are so many units coming online in the next year, really feel like this is still a full cycle off

Also the new Tribune building and of course the Trump Tower. I understand it's not likely that a 2000 footer is headed to the former Spire site. But it really would not be out of place or throw off the balance of the skyline.

I’m a transit fan too, but that diagonal angle is the best...

http://assets.diningchicago.com/medi...jpg?1484505943

Maybe. Business relocations are driving some serious downtown unit demand so the building may continue for a bit longer to keep up with corporate investment downtown.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...overty/556649/

Here's some massing done at 1,500 feet. Some angles it looks amazing, others not as much an impact. 2,000 feet would fix a lot of that but that's probably wishful thinking.



https://images2.imgbox.com/80/70/tus18uXu_o.jpg

https://images2.imgbox.com/6f/fc/okRnlWJX_o.jpg

https://images2.imgbox.com/1f/c7/akOjYtus_o.jpg

https://images2.imgbox.com/f4/a5/131ZlIK2_o.jpg

https://images2.imgbox.com/11/4f/yk1E9PJP_o.jpg

My favorite view will always be the one coming from the South no the Dan Ryan/I90, but I'm biased as that was my view whenever I would come back home from school. Regardless, those hypothetical renderings of the skyline in 5-6 years make me as excited as a fat kid left alone in a candy shop. Oh boyyyyyy here we come.