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Tom Servo Mar 3, 2016 1:43 AM

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Originally Posted by vandelay (Post 7356215)
Not a bad modern interpretation of the vernacular:

A) That building is not representative of our architectural vernacular

B) That building is stone, so it has aged well

C) Interpretations in architecture are inherently bad

Kumdogmillionaire Mar 3, 2016 7:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 7356560)
A) That building is not representative of our architectural vernacular

B) That building is stone, so it has aged well

C) Interpretations in architecture are inherently bad


Not so much aging well, those stone buildings have to get facelifts every 30 years or so. It's why stone isn't a good building material, especially as you get taller

vandelay Mar 3, 2016 2:25 PM

You gotta have a lot of chutzpah to criticize a building that hasn't been built for aging poorly.

VKChaz Mar 3, 2016 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vandelay (Post 7357182)
You gotta have a lot of chutzpah to criticize a building that hasn't been built for aging poorly.

I can walk around River North and examine concrete from the last 10 yrs to know it doesn't age well.

LouisVanDerWright Mar 3, 2016 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vandelay (Post 7357182)
You gotta have a lot of chutzpah to criticize a building that hasn't been built for aging poorly.

Concrete curtain walls (whether poured in place or precast) don't age well, there are no exceptions to that rule. Just look at River North's beige curtain, they've all had to be ground and grouted already and none is more than 20 years old. Having to do that to a big concrete modern box is one thing, having to do it to something with a bunch of fake ass ornate details is another entirely.

Kumdogmillionaire Mar 3, 2016 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VKChaz (Post 7357244)
I can walk around River North and examine concrete from the last 10 yrs to know it doesn't age well.

That's just scientifically false. Concrete actually gets stronger as it gets older....

Bad design doesn't age well, it doesn't matter what the material is

ithakas Mar 3, 2016 4:40 PM

New rendering posted on Crain's today, gives a better sense of the scale relative to neighboring buildings:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/apps/...20160303092655

r18tdi Mar 3, 2016 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ithakas (Post 7357408)
New rendering posted on Crain's today, gives a better sense of the scale relative to neighboring buildings:

She's a whopper alright.

BVictor1 Mar 3, 2016 5:39 PM

^lol

go go white sox Mar 3, 2016 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ithakas (Post 7357408)
New rendering posted on Crain's today, gives a better sense of the scale relative to neighboring buildings:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/apps/...20160303092655

I know I'm in the minority but like I have stated before I like this building and think the end result will surprise.

simon07 Mar 3, 2016 6:12 PM

Is the foundation for this already built, with it going on top of underground garage?

jc5680 Mar 3, 2016 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ithakas (Post 7357408)
New rendering posted on Crain's today, gives a better sense of the scale relative to neighboring buildings:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/apps/...20160303092655

This rendering really isn't doing the building any favors. Looks like a chunker from this less west-east angle. The vibrant yellow/beige color feels Langrangian in its over-saturation.

maru2501 Mar 3, 2016 7:23 PM

color will be interesting

Chi-Sky21 Mar 3, 2016 7:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 7357691)
Yes because the Midwestern and Mediterranean climates are so similar. This is like posting a picture of a Ferrari that's Sat in a garage for 99.99% of its life and claiming that my grandma's Lincoln doesn't rust.

Yeah, if that Ferrari was 1,900 years old

ardecila Mar 3, 2016 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 7357691)
Apparently I need to point out that we are talking about how concrete ages with iron bars in it in a temperate climate with seasonal extremes and freeze thaw cycles. Oh and everything is sprayed with salt for like 3 months a year...

A highway bridge and a highrise have way different exposures though. A balcony slab or precast panel 200' in the air will not have any meaningful exposure to salt, except in coastal areas.

Shwayze1994 Mar 3, 2016 8:09 PM

It is known that Roman concrete is much more stronger than modern concrete.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-the-ancie...-do-1672632593

LouisVanDerWright Mar 3, 2016 8:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 7357763)
Yeah, if that Ferrari was 1,900 years old

In car years that's like 60 or 70 years.

LouisVanDerWright Mar 3, 2016 8:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 7357785)
A highway bridge and a highrise have way different exposures though. A balcony slab or precast panel 200' in the air will not have any meaningful exposure to salt, except in coastal areas.

Yes, but only two floors of this building are not precast so all this means is all the details withing range of human sight will be blasted with salt while the upper reaches will decay more slowly.

Fact is that all the 1990s and early 2000s poured in place and precast towers in River North have already required extensive maintenance to control spawling. That does not bode well for this building.

10023 Mar 3, 2016 9:25 PM

It would be a nice building if they used the same materials as they did for 15 CPW, but given the relative price points I doubt that will be the case. It's a shame.

This rendering looks good though:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/apps/...20160303110546


Btw, is that block bounded by Huron, Fairbanks, Erie and McClurg supposed to remain green space of some sort, or is Northwestern just waiting to have something to build on it? It would be great if downtown Chicago had more small parks. That's what I'd prefer for the USPS facility in River North as well (along with a lot of other redevelopment in that area.

Notyrview Mar 4, 2016 2:40 AM

Wow that new rendering is Hotlanta


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