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Dariusb Jan 22, 2023 4:06 AM

Cities with the most multigenerational households
 
https://www.nolangroupmedia.com/news...a683b5f.html#1

Did you think this list was accurate or the cities were ranked correctly?

wwmiv Jan 22, 2023 4:10 AM

Somewhat surprised that Chicago isn’t on the list and that Dallas is, but otherwise this tracks.

galleyfox Jan 22, 2023 4:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 9845708)
Somewhat surprised that Chicago isn’t on the list and that Dallas is, but otherwise this tracks.

Why is that surprising?

It’s the combo of immigrant households and either high house prices or very low wages that are responsible for most multigenerational households.

Chicago doesn’t have expensive housing and wages are decent for younger generations to find their own place.

homebucket Jan 22, 2023 4:28 AM

Not surprised at the top 2. But am surprised the SF MSA didn’t rank higher, at least close to the top 5.

Also not surprised no Midwestern metros made the list for the reasons galleyfox mentioned.

craigs Jan 22, 2023 4:45 AM

1. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA
3. Fresno, CA
4. San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX
5. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL
6. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA
7. Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX
8. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL
9. San Diego-Carlsbad, CA
10. New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA
11. San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA
12. Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV
13. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX
14. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta, GA
15. Memphis, TN-MS-AR

Dariusb Jan 22, 2023 6:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigs (Post 9845727)
1. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA
3. Fresno, CA
4. San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX
5. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL
6. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA
7. Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX
8. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL
9. San Diego-Carlsbad, CA
10. New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA
11. San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA
12. Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV
13. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX
14. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta, GA
15. Memphis, TN-MS-AR

Thank you Craigs. I was thinking about posting the list but put the link instead.

dave8721 Jan 22, 2023 6:27 AM

I thought Miami would be higher. Its pretty much standard in Hispanic immigrant households. Makes sense that the cities above Miami are also heavily Hispanic immigrant heavy cities.

Steely Dan Jan 22, 2023 3:03 PM

Because NH-white households are by far the least likely to live multigenerationally, this list highly correlates with the MSAs that have the lowest percentages of NH-white people.


1M+ MSAs by percentage of NH-white people (census 2020):

  1. pittsburgh: 82.2%
  2. cincinnati: 75.9%
  3. grand rapids: 75.7%
  4. buffalo: 73.0%
  5. rochester: 72.9%
  6. providence: 71.6%
  7. louisville: 71.5%
  8. minneapolis: 71.2%
  9. st. louis: 70.3%
  10. columbus: 69.1%

  11. portland: 68.7%
  12. kansas city: 68.5%
  13. nashville: 68.3%
  14. salt lake city: 68.3%
  15. indianapolis: 68.2%
  16. cleveland: 67.4%
  17. boston: 66.6%
  18. milwaukee: 64.1%
  19. hartford: 63.9%
  20. detroit: 63.6%

  21. denver: 61.2%
  22. tampa: 59.5%
  23. birmingham: 59.4%
  24. jacksonville: 59.4%
  25. oklahoma city: 59.3%
  26. philadelphia: 59.1%
  27. tulsa: 59.0%
  28. raleigh: 58.3%
  29. seattle: 57.9%
  30. charlotte: 57.8%

    US National average: 57.8%

  31. richmond: 55.3%
  32. phoenix: 53.6%
  33. baltimore: 52.7%
  34. virginia beach: 52.3%
  35. tucson: 51.5%
  36. chicago: 50.2%
  37. austin: 49.6%
  38. new orleans: 48.3%
  39. sacramento: 48.3%
  40. atlanta: 43.7%


  41. orlando: 43.5%
  42. new york: 43.3%
  43. san diego: 43.1%
  44. dallas: 42.8%
  45. washington DC: 42.3%
  46. memphis: 41.3%
  47. las vegas: 39.4%
  48. san francisco: 36.2%
  49. houston: 33.7%
  50. san antonio: 32.8%


  51. riverside: 29.4%
  52. miami: 29.1%
  53. san jose: 28.8%
  54. los angeles: 28.5%
  55. fresno: 27.0%
  56. honolulu: 17.3%



Honolulu seems like the major exception here.

iheartthed Jan 22, 2023 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9845811)

Honolulu seems like the major exception here.

The article mentions that Hawaii has the most intergenerational households of any state.

Crawford Jan 22, 2023 5:21 PM

Yeah, I'm surprised Miami isn't #1. Low wages, high housing prices, super low % of NHW.

NHW seem to have discarded intergenerational living except in extreme housing/family distress. For everyone else, it's pretty normal, like in the rest of the world. My wife still can't wrap her head around the strong likelihood that our son is gone from our home forever once he's 18.

Steely Dan Jan 22, 2023 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9845861)
The article mentions that Hawaii has the most intergenerational households of any state.

Which makes it very odd that Honolulu didn't show up in the top 15.

Something isn't adding up there.

Docere Jan 24, 2023 4:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9845811)
Because NH-white households are by far the least likely to live multigenerationally, this list highly correlates with the MSAs that have the lowest percentages of NH-white people.


1M+ MSAs by percentage of NH-white people (census 2020):

[list=1][*]pittsburgh: 82.2%[*]cincinnati: 75.9%[*]grand rapids: 75.7%[*]buffalo: 73.0%[*]rochester: 72.9%[*]providence: 71.6%[*]louisville: 71.5%[*]minneapolis: 71.2%[*]st. louis: 70.3%[*]columbus: 69.1%

[*]portland: 68.7%
.

Interesting how "lilywhite" Portland - probably the least Black city in the US - has a lower percentage of NHWs than many rust belt metros. Obviously due to the rather low percentage of Latinos and Asians in those metros.

Heck, Metro Portland is only 5 points whiter than Metro Detroit (though the 200,000 or so Arab/Chaldean population counts as NHW).

Docere Jan 24, 2023 4:12 AM

LA (and Riverside) doesn't surprise me. Heavily immigrant, high housing costs, not particularly high income.

ChiSoxRox Jan 24, 2023 5:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9845883)
Which makes it very odd that Honolulu didn't show up in the top 15.

Something isn't adding up there.

Honolulu is at 15.8% (it's on the mid-size metro list despite also being over 1M like Fresno).

That would be 2nd, behind the Inland Empire but ahead of LA.

dave8721 Jan 24, 2023 5:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9845883)
Which makes it very odd that Honolulu didn't show up in the top 15.

Something isn't adding up there.

Huge military presence in Honolulu holding down the multigenerational %?

bobdreamz Jan 24, 2023 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave8721 (Post 9845756)
I thought Miami would be higher. Its pretty much standard in Hispanic immigrant households. Makes sense that the cities above Miami are also heavily Hispanic immigrant heavy cities.

Seriously how many cities like Miami even have built In-Law quarters into their homes?

Steely Dan Jan 24, 2023 2:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox (Post 9847203)
Honolulu is at 15.8% (it's on the mid-size metro list despite also being over 1M like Fresno).

That would be 2nd, behind the Inland Empire but ahead of LA.

oh, gotcha, thanks for looking into it and explainging.

i wonder why honolulu wasn't included with the other 1M+ MSAs?

in any event, moving honolulu over to the correct category, that means the top 16 1M+ MSAs with the greatest share of multigenerational living all have NH-white population shares lower than 45%.

the correlation is quite strong.

Capsicum Jan 27, 2023 3:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9845862)
Yeah, I'm surprised Miami isn't #1. Low wages, high housing prices, super low % of NHW.

NHW seem to have discarded intergenerational living except in extreme housing/family distress. For everyone else, it's pretty normal, like in the rest of the world. My wife still can't wrap her head around the strong likelihood that our son is gone from our home forever once he's 18.

Is the split really NHW vs. "non-Hispanic,non-white" vs. assimilated to Anglo-American (perhaps some would say old school WASP) norms vs. not?

Like would "white ethnics" (e.g. Jewish, Italian, Polish, Greek etc.) resemble the non-whites in this way culturally more? It's still a trope (e.g. like in My Big Fat Greek Wedding). Common jokes/pop culture/media etc. also put many European ethnic groups more similar to Asian/Hispanic and perhaps even Black stereotypes (e.g. very familial oriented, full of family drama, big households, grandmas want grandkids etc. etc.) than WASP ones. But how true is this?


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