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Couldn't the government intervene?!
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Are you making a joke?? For example, the text below is the 3rd search result returned by theGoogleMachine for federal+transportation+bill: Bill would eliminate federal transportation funding | TheHill thehill.com/.../transportation.../190402-bill-would-eliminate-federal-trans... Nov 15, 2013 - A bill filed by Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Rep. Tom Graves (R-Ga.) would gradually eliminate federal funding of transportation projects. |
Refresh on current reality
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And I point back to j-biz's post/photographic evidence from a few weeks ago as to what has been funded & is actually under construction right now and for the next 2+ years (completion in 2016:http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...&postcount=337 |
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The Amtrak tunnel box construction that is the enabler for the Hudson Yards overbuild platform (MTA air rights above the yard, Amtrak & MTA cooperating!) was kicked off by the NY pols using SS Sandy fed relief funds. SS Sandy storm surge flooded the existing ~110 year old Hudson River tunnels by flowing into the Hudson/West Side yards and overwhelming the barriers that the MTA had built under the 10 th Ave viaduct. From there the storm surge flowed further down slope into the eastern tunnel portals under the AP bldg (450 W 33rd St) |
^ interesting. you just knew the new subway station at the si ferry was going to get hammered during ss sandy, but i never thought about the hudson yards. anybody know what the storm damage cost estimate was there?
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SS fSandy flooded most of MTA West Side Yards
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They've been doing studies on this, and have been showing plans to the community, but it now looks like this is going to happen.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/09/ny...the-bronx.html Support for Metro-North Line in Bronx and to Penn Station By MATT FLEGENHEIMER JAN. 8, 2014 Quote:
http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/...superJumbo.jpg http://www.newsday.com/long-island/c...link-1.6760145 Cuomo backs Metro-North-Penn Station link January 8, 2014 By ALFONSO A. CASTILLO AND YANCEY ROY Quote:
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Are they going to bore 2 new tubes to Penn? Otherwise there will have to be cuts to LIRR service in order to accommodate these trains. It's currently a mad house at those east river tubes and they're definition running at or just around capacity during the morning / evening rush. The ESA plan for the LIRR dug new tubes and built a new terminal not disrupting the MNCR at all. It was never pitched to LIRR commuters or project supporters that it would result in a reduction of service to Penn. I feel like people with influence at the MNCR or looking for votes out of the Hudson Valley are pushing this plan without regard to those adversely affected.
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AFAIK, Penn & East River tubes are at or near capacity
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AFAIK, Penn and/or the century+ old East River tubes river tubes are at or near capacity. By definition, if nothing changes at Penn or the tubes, LIRR service to Penn would have to be cut to allow slots for the new MNR service. There is ongoing work for an Amtrak Harold Interlocking bypass in the Sunnyside Yards (Queens) area but I have no idea if this would allow more trains through the East River tubes BUT, many LIRR riders to Penn will switch to become LIRR riders to GCT, so it will significantly reduce the human congestion at Penn during rush hours. The resulting ability to REDUCE LIRR train frequency to Penn and allow MN access will have to be fought out politically. I am for greater connectivity in the NYC region so I am for this project. Note that I live near the easternmost electric LIRR station. Having an east Bronx to Penn rail connection would also be useful for workers commuting to jobs in the upcoming Hudson Yards area developments. I am also for the 3rd LIRR track through Nassau County (needed to handle both Penn & ESA/GCT), which is also being opposed by local LI politicians. NIMBYism is very dangerous in the NYC area. |
LIRR riders will get better options, not worse. Those headed to the West Side will have fewer trains to choose from, but those headed to the East Side will now have numerous trains providing direct service to Grand Central and eliminating their subway/taxi transfer or long walk.
This is a win-win, really. Too bad Long Islanders don't see it. Does anyone know if Metro-North is considering a through-routing of the Hudson and New Haven Lines using the Empire Connection and the Hell Gate Branch? That could provide a lot of operational flexibility if the tracks line up at Penn. It should be easier to implement since both ends are in MNRR territory. |
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Does anyone know if Metro-North is considering a through-routing of the Hudson and New Haven Lines using the Empire Connection and the Hell Gate Branch? Not that I know of. But I suggest you check out the comments in the secondavenuesagas blog entry for the MNR-Penn project: http://secondavenuesagas.com/2014/01...rges/#comments |
Being a former Long Islander, but still a Long Islander at heart, I know exactly the issue the politicians have. When it was decided to have the LIRR come to Grand Central, you didn't see Westchester or CT politicians open to giving up track slots for the LIRR. The LIRR had to have a terminal deep, deep underground to join Grand Central.
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We have what we have (hopefully before the 2020s...) I'm happy that "we" can accomplish anything major at all. I'll merely repeat the ardecila comment: Quote:
AND this secondavenuesagas entry: http://secondavenuesagas.com/2013/05...tation-access/ And who knows, MAYBE we'll get the Gateway tunnels connected to NY Penn sometime in the 2020s. |
It's ridiculous for anyone from Long Island to be complaining about Metro-North coming into Penn, when Long Island will have the option of having trains going to both Penn and Grand Central. And the Metro-North spur into Penn will also provide direct rail service into Manhattan for people in the City who don't really have it. Co-Op City has wanted and needed a direct line for years. There will be enough trains diverted into Grand Central to offset any problems. Perhaps the MTA should have merged both rail lines as has been talked about before. There would be no issue.
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I didn't know this was in the making, but it should be a very good watch...
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A longer, 8 minute clip below... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexpe...s/penn/player/ |
Penn Station is atrocious. Last time I was there, a pigeon was pooping on people in the amtrak waiting areas. I think waiting 10 years is just ridiculous to see the thing gone. NYC deserves something at least somewhat salubrious.
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http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/03/...-station-plan/
New York state ready to move on Penn Station plan Farley post office would serve as Amtrak waiting room March 03, 2014 Quote:
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^ There's a WSJ article that fleshes it out in slightly more detail: New York State Pushes for Penn Station Plan
The article raised the question as to who would buy these air rights. Do you think it's possible that Brookfield or Related would be interested? Also found some really great pictures of the currently empty post office space. Such a shame this is all going to waste. All photos from Scouting NY: http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4148/5...58c4b94d_b.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4087/5...12ab4488_b.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4144/5...10a71821_b.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4145/5...4c67bd14_b.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4089/5...7c7c4af9_b.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4130/5...88a0f122_b.jpg http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4106/5...3125c7cd_b.jpg |
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