NEW YORK | Port Authority Bus Terminal Replacement
Midtown Bus Master Plan could usher in PABT replacement
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We discussed this over in the tower thread. They've already done studies, and this is yet another study. Ultimately, the terminal will be renovated for sure. It won't be replaced because it's too vital, has direct connections to the tunnel, and there just isn't another site for it.
The current buiding is no Grand Central, but is not as horrible as many like to make it out to be either. I use the terminal often. Like Penn Station, it should be opened up to more natural daylight, but like Penn Station, its basically a multi-level shopping center with "gates". |
I know this may sound like a dumb question by are so many people taking the bus when there are subways running all through NYC?
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It's the busiest bus terminal in the world, 8000 buses per day, and 225,000 passengers per day, according to Wiki, but yeah, it is awful in every way possible. Anything would be an upgrade.
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I am surprised it is the busiest in the world. I would have thought somewhere like Bogota, Mexico City, or Caracas would have the busiest. Maybe their bus lines are just far more decentralized.
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its just an incredibly clever bldg that gets a tremendous job done in such a small, compact space. i have no complaints about it at all, all things considered. i just hope they don't mess up the flow when they eventually build a tower over it. thats going to be some crazy project to watch rise for sure someday.
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The PABT has to be redeveloped. It's a completely absurd situation with hundreds of buses all over the neighborhood idling. Probably the best solution is just taking the buses out of Manhattan, and doing the subway extension to Secaucus, where a bus terminal can be built. |
Why aren't the Feds funding this important tranportation project?
Why does the PA have to choose between this and the WTC, which was also the Fed's failure to protect this country that caused it in the first place? |
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I'm glad the PABT is receiving some fresh attention - there's no doubt improvements (and vast ones at that) are needed. I don't feel though that reallocating funds meant for the WTC redevelopment will be the right way to go about that. Two totally different projects that serve two totally different needs. |
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The Bus Terminal is an unmitigated disaster, but I have to think there are other ways to fund it than by diverting funds away from the WTC. A good friend of mine worked in Massachusetts state government for years - he was of the opinion that every time a state agency said it had run out of money or something to that effect, it was because of comical (and criminal) mismanagement, waste and fraud, not because of actual revenue shortfalls... |
I think the PABT is fine the way it is, just perhaps needs a refreshing of design. But if it is functionally successful, why mess with it?
This is different from Penn Station, which while functional, is just a crappy place to wait for a train |
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Both Penn Station and the Port Authority Bus Terminal are an embarrassment as the gateways to New York City. They both need major capacity improvements and brought into the 21st century. I am very intrigued at the proposal to extend the 7 line into Secaucus. That could reduce bottlenecks at Penn Station, PABT, Lincoln tunnel, NY Transit and PATH. It would also take a lot of idling buses off the streets of NYC. |
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