50 Hudson yards leaped ahead of this one in height, slightly. But now it looks like they will be equal in height...


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This building had so much potential to stand out above the skyline. Instead, we're getting another monster tower around 1,000 feet, which will just get lost in the sea of massive 1,000-footers in/around Hudson Yards.

It's a beautiful building though. Also, only in New York can we complain about the "problem" of having a sea of 1,000' tall towers!:cheers:

(Mods please delete this TYVM)

Least they didn't do what Moinian did (admittedly by necessity) to 3HY, tho.......


Fair gripe; but I would suggest this:

Isn't that somewhat like complaining about the half-dollar coin-sized chunk of pecan brittle in a ten gallon barrel of homemade crackerjack????

That this biggie boom is happening at all is cause for the sort of rejoicing that would make a dervish's spinaroonie look like the hokey-pokey.

Yeah, it could have stood out more, as could have the others. But what's being built here is exactly as the city envisioned it - large commercial towers with the large floorplates that aren't feasible elsewhere in the city due to lack of space. It's a factor in the draw of the Yards, as you need a "critical mass" of companies making the jump over to legitimize the area as one of the new business districts. Anything much higher than what is being built over there now would need a residential component, something that's not necessarily a priority on these commercial sites, nor should it be. The developer's are looking to reel in the "big fish" to get these buildings out of the ground.

It just so happens that, by default, most of these towers are around the same size. That leads to them being of similar height, unfortunately.

I agree with the big fish in terms of the tenants. It really comes down to the power tenants that make a district (both in economic output and also perception). Smaller ones within an area, and its more of a boutique. Whereas HY is where the big players come, and with that, a springboard to further development as the neighborhood becomes ever so powerful as a CBD node. One of many for the city.

Relative to the total sq-footage of Manhattan, HY is tiny. Its like the solar system in a galaxy of sq-footage, but its a powerful one at that. Full of quality tenants.

I envision Manhattan on the west Side, near the yards, like a young East Midtown being born.

Demo is completed and construction equipment was removed from the site. Now we have to wait for excavation to start.
Also, this photo shows how big the lot it, this is going to be big ass tower.

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509 West 34th Street (The Spiral) by NyConstructionPhoto, on Flickr

I've been saying people won't realize how big 50 and the Spiral are going to be until construction begins.

A look at who's going where so far...


https://therealdeal.com/wp-content/u...ants-large.jpg
https://therealdeal.com/issues_artic...-yards-reboot/

As shown in the wind test for 50 Hudson Yards....massive buildings.



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Close to 3 million square feet of it too! Its marketed at 2.85 mil sq-ft.

As a reference, 1 WTC is 3 mil-sq ft, so the Spiral is not far behind. Not only that, but 1 WTC is clearly taller, so thus, from a bulk perspective, it'll rank up there in terms of monoliths next to Met Life and 55 Water Street. A ton of usable space will be added to the market in the years to come.

MetLife has a little over 3 mil, and 55 Water roughly the same as the Spiral at 2.9 mil sq-ft. 55 Water though is the champ of bulk considering its 300 ft shorter.

I think this will have the massiveness of the Met Life / Pan Am building. Same goes for 50 Hudson, which is why I'm hoping it doesn't turn out to be too much, too close.




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Are different companies going to want steps coming down from various other floors directly into theirs?

It looks like a nicer version of a emergency fire/evacuation route. IDK if the portion of the steps are part of the leasing space. Just a guess here. Floor plans might be the key to your question.

It's highly unlikely that the leased floors will be open like that. Most of the newer office buildings going up have open floors that way, but tenants will be leasing multiple floors.
Any tenant with a single floor, or even partial floor won't have the need to open up to other floors that way.



A look at interior and the exterior open space...


https://www.thespiralny.com/architecture/


https://www.archdaily.com/781752/big...al-tower-photo

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FEBRUARY 13, 2018


This vast, open sky will soon give way to vast skyscrapers...


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This one has received construction permits from the DOB. Another behemoth prepares to rise.


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Clockwise, Spiral, 50 Hudson, (55 Hudson), and 3 Hudson...


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even bad buildings look fun, clean, & fascinating as architectural models . .
but I fear this one in reality, is gonna look like the obese pig mausoleum . .
too close to, & crowding its neighbors . .
not to mention all the dead trees . .
blowing around on the steps . .

a little old fashioned stone church, & a couple of quirky brownstones . .
would go a long way to making HY more of a pleasant neighborhood . .
less like a hyper-glitzy, banal, overcrowded, pseudo-futuristic, money-driven,
malevolent zombie-apocalypse nightmare . .
that'll sap the energy out of every poor sucker that lives or works
within 2 miles of this concoction of weird abysmal architecture . .
so to speak . .

maybe right before a HY businessman has a meltdown or goes ballistic,
he can run out of the ugly office building . . run over to the Vessel . .
go up, down, & around the hamster stairs numerous times . . till he's dizzy . .
then return to the office & resume landscaping . .

on the other hand, Sunbathing 9-5 at the office, on one of these Spiral decks,
might just inspire cutthroat horticultural competition . .
perhaps even ingenious vertical golfing schemes . .
where ya gotta start at the top . .
and never use your driver . .

This view reminds me of this "quaint" shot of Park Avenue before it was built into what it is today.


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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexpe...al-air-rights/

https://therealdeal.com/2018/04/10/d...n-hq-for-360m/

David Werner buying Pfizer’s Midtown HQ for $360M
Pharma giant finalizes deal at Tishman Speyer's West Side skyscraper; Midtown properties stand to gain from area rezoning


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By Mark Maurer
April 10, 2018

https://therealdeal.com/2018/04/10/p...yers-spiral-2/

Tishman Speyer picks up Pfizer as anchor tenant for Spiral, lands mammoth construction loan
It's one of the largest construction financing deals in city history


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By Will Parker
April 10, 2018

this is good news indeed.

That means this should start construction soon, right?

Yes, it's just a matter of when it's officially under construction.

https://nypost.com/2018/04/10/pfizer...-hudson-yards/

lets hope that the sooner the better.

Has excavation on the site begun?

Everytime another super tall starts u/c, we should post this:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/17c2...1cac/tenor.gif

Actually, I unofficially crown "another one" as the unofficial nyc slogan for super tall construction. :D :cheers:

So if someone asks about super talls in the city, you respond "another one!"

Its how the yutes nowadays learn to count up to 10, and soon up to 20. They just point at the super talls, for the visual learners out there!

I know that they were preparing to start digging, whether or not that has started I don't know. The article said construction begins in June, I don't know what that was a reference to.


Also, I don't know where the height figure comes from here...


http://rew-online.com/2018/04/10/pfi...speyer-spiral/

Pfizer signs 800,000 s/f lease for Tishman Speyer Spiral

BY REW • APRIL 10, 2018







https://rebusinessonline.com/tishman...-in-manhattan/

Tishman Speyer to Break Ground on $3.7B, Pfizer-Anchored Office Tower in Manhattan

April 10, 2018
by John Nelson






https://www.bisnow.com/new-york/news...one-loan-87154

1,031-Foot Hudson Yards Tower To Start Construction Behind $1.8B Blackstone Loan

April 10, 2018
Ethan Rothstein






https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300627217.html

Tishman Speyer To Begin Construction Of The Spiral, An Iconic Hudson Yards Tower
And Model For The Modern Collaborative Workplace
Pfizer to Relocate its Global Headquarters to Tishman Speyer's 1,031 Foot Midtown West Tower upon Completion in 2022


NEWS PROVIDED BY
Tishman Speyer

2.8 million square feet on this one. One has the feeling that midtown will empty out at this rate. On just the office projects west of Penn station set to build/under construction, we're looking at something like 20 million square feet of office space. There's room for another 20 million if they want it too. Just wild.

Between this tower and 50 MW alone, there will be 4m sf of unaccounted space. There are around another 3m sf of new space available at 1 Vanderbilt and 3 WTC.

Good luck to Moinian and BP for finding a tenant. It’s not happening.

Just a drop in the bucket compared to Midtown overall, but much needed space for expansion and renewal of the supply. With that, the cit won't have to bulldoze entire sections of Midtown. But even the Hudson Yards will fill up. The city counted on a 30 year build-out. It's filling up faster.


Anyway, glad to see financing in place so this can move forward. All good signs.


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https://therealdeal.com/2018/04/30/d...n-yards-tower/

Dutch pension fund invests in Tishman Speyer’s Hudson Yards tower
Developer transferred more than 60% of the equity in the project to 11 limited partners for $450M


By Rich Bockmann
April 30, 2018

Yeah, it's years down the line (though it's all happening so fast!) but once Hudson Yards is all built out, development will move north and we could possibly see Japanese style decking of all that mess around the Lincoln Tunnel ramps, particularly if they finally build out that subway station at 41st and 10th avenue. If the far west side is in the realm of $3B, ~2.5 million occupiable square feet towers, then a Gate Tower-type building isn't particularly hard to imagine.

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My first impressions of that pic were of NYC...almost any part of it...in the 1970's when sites like that didn't necessarily mean that construction of any sort was about to happen.

Quite the opposite, actually.......

Can't help but to look at 35 Hudson and know that this will be in similar magnitude, and I believe bulkier. 35 Hudson looks monolithic already. Its a good feeling to know that more is planned, and commencing soon, along with Phase II which we are yet to truly appreciate.

Is Midtown West more desirable than downtown?

Yes. Its been the hot spot for a lot of new business and tenant relocation. Even to the point of threatening the power balance in Midtown East.

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:previous: Looks like we’ve got a ways to go! :rolleyes:

This has "officially" broken ground. :cheers:

Bring it on.


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Probably going to be done as part of rebuilding the PABT

Didn't see much action there today, but can confirm the sign:

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Most construction sites in the city are inactive on the weekends. But it's only a matter of time before this is moved to the construction forum. It's financed, and ready to go in the ground. That pesky digging has to be done first though.

The DOB rendering looks like some sort of mine craft experiment.