Here I am at Universal Studios in June 1974 wearing a BROWN leisure suit. (I was 13 years old)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/KZ9RKl.jpg

It looks purple-ish, but believe me...it was BROWN. :yuck:


Identical to this one. (100% Polyester)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/lRi0ur.jpg
jimberkin

Did any of you NLAers wear leisure suits....or were they more of a Midwest thing?



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High class Hollywood pimp Scotty Bowers, charming well endowed farm boy.
Born: July 1, 1923 (age 94), Ottawa, IL

Here is poster for 2017 documentary on his life.

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Directed by Matt Tyrnauer
Produced by Matt Tyrnauer
Corey Reeser
Josh Braun
Starring Scotty Bowers
Cinematography Chris J. Dapkins
Edited by Bob Eisenhardt
Daniel Morfesis
Release date
September 9, 2017 (Toronto International Film Festival)
Running time
97 minutes

I well recall the leisure suit of the 1970s and sure, they were worn in California too. I never wore one but they always seemed to be worn by the ''hip'' in-crowd. These were men who had a lot of ''leisure'' time....drove flashy cars, had beautiful partners, lounged around on yachts, golf resorts, La Vegas and Palm Springs...things like that...or so they wanted to appear ..
[none of my comments are directed at ER....these are just things in my imagination at the time]. Also, I believe they were popular in many TV series of the era....which made them a sought after item.

Personally I thought they were______. :rolleyes:

CBD, your description of who wore leisure suits is the opposite of mine.

I thought nerds wore leisure suits (especially Brown leisure suits)

ER....so you thought of yourself as a ''nerd'' back then? Or were you
wondering why your mom bought you the suit? :???:

When I wore that leisure suit I felt like a nerd. -I didn't feel like a nerd when I wore normal clothes. ;)

and yes, I would have preferred the blue one. (slightly less awful)




more 1960s negs for sale on ebay

posted extra-large so you can see the magazines
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/xxHPgP.jpg

Fred Hayman's?



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/TQr9pK.jpg

note the clock on the building across the street.




Hotel Embassy (I didn't know it had that electric sign on top)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/y5SNY8.jpg

Pickwick Apt/Hotel and in the distance the Imperial Hotel.


all from EBAY

Wilson water
 

Thank you e_r. I get really interested when former water courses come up.

First "Wilson" was, I reckon, Benjamin Davis "Don Benito" Wilson, the one you've heard tell about (among other things, he was Gen. Geo S Patton's grandfather and got Mount Wilson named after him):

"[Wilson] came into possession of adjoining Rancho San Pascual (present day Pasadena) through a series of complicated land deals, which began with his lending money to the Rancho's owner Manuel Garfias in 1859. In 1863 Wilson and Dr. John Strother Griffin, who had also lent Garfias money — and with whom Wilson undertook many business deals in early Los Angeles, including railways, oil exploration, real estate, farming and ranching — bought the entire rancho property outright, and diverted water from the Arroyo Seco up to the dry mesa via an aqueduct called the "Wilson Ditch."
wiki

Now it's a "ditch".

"Lake Avenue is a major north–south feeder road for the Pasadena and Altadena communities in Los Angeles County, California. The road was developed in the mid 19th century and takes its name from a lake which was located at its southernmost end known variously as Mission Lake, Kewen Lake, and Wilson Lake reflecting different owners of the land. The lake bed still exists as a municipal park (Lacey Park) in the City of San Marino just south of the Raymond Dike, but it holds no water. It has been surrounded by residences who are served by a crisscross set of roads that dip into the edges of impression and back out the other side."
wiki

The former Wilson Lake (now Lacey Park) is a little over 3 miles south of the Saunders home at 580 N Lake (which is itself just south of Bungalow Heaven):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/P3...x=w449-h596-no
google maps

Lacey Park:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Fc...C=w885-h589-no
google maps

I bet somebody over at the San Marino Historical Society knows something about the path of the former Wilson Creek (which I'm assuming connected to the lake).

SMHS did have this photo titled, "1926 Pre-Lacy park looking south from hill":

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0Q...=w1108-h628-no
SMHS

I always wondered why Lake St was called Lake St but never got around to looking it up.


I bet our Pasadena noirishers know all there is re Wilson Creek.


"Raymond Dike"? I'm def gonna look that up.

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Nah, that was all FW. I was lost.

:previous: Thanks for the great information on Wilson's Creek t2. I really appreciate it.

I had no idea Lacy Park used to be a lake! (I didn't see that coming)
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I don't mean to give anyone whiplash with this sudden turn to a totally different topic:

but earlier today I happened upon this black and white amateur video of Judy Garland's opening night at the Coconut Grove. (it's silent :( but still amazing)

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movie stars in their natural habitat

Rhonda Fleming
Dean Martin talking to Jean Simmons
Rock Hudson
a young Liza Minnelli performing with her mom
Tony Curtis talking to Judy
Frank Sinatra rolling around on the floor :shrug:
Frank Sinatra bear hugging Jerry Lewis
Rhonda Fleming (again) talking to an unknown man. -Wally Cox(?) behind them
Tony Curtis and Judy again (judy's eyebrows are truly frightening)
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I know that Judy Garland became horrifically skinny towards the end of her life, but I didn't realize she had a puffy period too.*

*I knew she struggled with her weight in the early years,
but this looks more like puffiness from some kind of medication

B.D. Wilson was a fairly significant person in early LA. I highly recommend a recent bio, "Don Benito Wilson; from Mountain Man to Mayor". He was one of the first mayors of LA, and eventually settled in an area known as Huerta de Cuati, located near the lake that was formed when the San Gabriel Mission had a mill built (El Molino Viejo) near natural streams along the Raymond Scarp, near the border of present-day San Marino and Pasadena. He name his property "Lake Vinyard" and was successful in growing grapes and marketing a well-respected wine.
A couple of F.H. Maude photos:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4601/...b90dd3f4_b.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4679/...dc9bbb75_z.jpg

Here is an early map of the area

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LMU
note the location of "Residence of Hon.B.D. Wilson"
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HDL



I did not know there was an active stream near Charles Saunder's home....I imagine it may have been an aqueduct; the Lake Vinyard Land and Water Assn. moved a lot of water around in the early days of Pasadena.

Good old Mr. Wilson
 

ER, Tovangar, ScottyB, thank you for your research in this matter. We live on Mentor on the next block up from the house ER found nestled between the tattoo parlor and Avis, and while I have long admired it, I did not know it had historical importance. In fact, despite my having researched this neighborhood fairly extensively, all the facts you all uncovered are new to me.

The funny thing is that I have a 1902 bird's-eye map of the area, and what I now know is Wilson's Ditch/Creek, I thought was a tear in the paper!

This is the closest this thread has ever gotten to our house. I keep hoping that some day I will come upon a photo of our house back when it had bargeboards in the front dormers. I'd like to replace them, and a photo would make getting approval from our Cultural Ossification Commission so much easier.

Victorian on Flower Street
 

That's a good looking Victorian shown on the right hand edge of the photo. Has it already been covered on the thread and is any history known about it? The neighbouring property also looks interesting. Was it an old mission church or was it just built to look that way?

I assume that the store belonged to Fred Hayman of Giorgio Beverly Hills fame (AKA "Mr Beverly Hills"/"Mr Rodeo Drive"). According to the 1967 CD (the store's only appearance), this was Fred Hayman Downtown at 749 S Hill Street. The date ties in with a couple of the magazines I identified, which are from May 1967.

Am working on something in which this block of text, from the Los Angeles Star of 12/15/1855, is involved. It has so much data, I thought bits and pieces here and there in it might be of interest to various members. I make no excuses for the various misspellings of the original (I only make excuses for my own various and abundant misspellings, which fortunately are not in evidence here):

“Sheriff’s Sale. […] Thomas G. Richards vs. Andres Pico. By virtue of an execution to me directed in the above entitled case, I have levied on and will proceed to sell at Public Auction […] the following described property, to wit: All the right, title and interest of said Andres Pico in and to the Rancho and Mission of San Fernando, lying and being situate in the County of Los Angeles, and State of California, and bounded on the North by the Rancho of San Francisco, on the West by the Rancho of Los Virgins, on the South by the River Los Angeles, and on the East by the Rancho of Los Berdugos. Also, all the right, title and interest of the said defendant in and to the Rancho de los Coyotes […], bounded on the North by the Rancho of Wm. Workman and John Ro[w]land, on the East by the Rancho of Juan Pacifico Ontiveros and Santa Ana, on the South by the Ranchos of John Temple, Abel Stearns and ‘La Balsas,’ and on the West by the Rancho of Lemuel Carpenter and other (‘Rancho de los Nietos’). Also, all the right, title and interest of said Pico in and to one certain House and Lot lying and being situate in the City of Los Angeles, County and State aforesaid, and bounded as follows:—On the North by the Plaza, on the East by the street leading from the Plaza to the ‘Calle de los Negros,’ on the South by the house and lot of Doña Ramona Serrano de Sepulveda, and on the West by the house formerly owned by Jose Antonio Carrillo, together with all the appurtenances, estate, title and interest of the said Andres Pico in and to each and all of the above described Lots and Parcels of Land.”

The "house formerly owned by Jose Antonio Carrillo" was on a lot soon to be occupied by our familiar Pico House.

Water and gravity is most certainly a reliable combination.

If anyone wants to know more, Jane over at LA Creek Freak as a pair of wonderful 2009/2010 articles on the Artesian Belt, the Raymond fault/scarp, La Presa and the future Lacey Park with many descriptions of streams, marshes, peet bogs and fern-lined canyons. Plus much interesting info about The Huntington Botanic Gardens and how its layout was shaped. And cautionary tales about how attempts to control water flow can have unintended consequences. Excellent "Comments" sections too.

An Artesian Belt in San Gabriel: Part I

An Artesian Belt in San Gabriel: Part II

"In this map, compiled under the direction of W.C. Mendenhall, active artesian areas during the summer of 1904 are hatched in blue and the blue circles indicate pumping plants (double circles), domestic wells (solid blue circles), and artesian wells (outlined circles). Though the San Gabriel artesian belt is clearly defined, only the eastern half is still actively artesian, showing the effects of the lowering of the water table. Courtesy Michael Hart":
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MF...2=w778-h424-no
la creek freak

*Note the future Lacey Park on the map above. Here marked "Kewen Lake".

"Not a Pasadenan who has grown up here but has been licked for coming home with his hair damp with the waters of Wilson’s Lake… Years ago it was stocked with carp and catfish… But today Wilson’s Lake is nearly dry. In its deepest portions boys were wading about with their trousers rolled half up to their knees, and the poor fish, to the number of thousands, huddled together in their last refuge, prove easy game…"
- la creek freak

Scotty Bowers, bartender
 

ethereal:
Bowers was mostly a private bartender at private parties. Here is an article in Variety from 11-12 years ago that says (even then) that he had tended bar at some 10,000 parties over 60 years, often working seven days a week.


http://variety.com/2006/film/feature...n-1200337270/#!

A segment on a news show (available at youtube) made a few years ago shows him still tending bar. He is now 94. The impression is that he has absolutely been the "go-to" guy to tend bar for Hollywood parties, straight and/or gay, for many decades.
Recently I read (can't remember where) that he worked for awhile as a bartender at a place that either was or later became "The Losers" on La Cienega in West Hollywood. Don't remember if Bowers mentions working in any bars in his book. Since his time working in an actual bar was apparently not long, seems unlikely the place in the photograph is a "lounge" where he was employed.

And now for my second wall of text today, heaven help us; see towards the end for connection with San Gabriel: "Kewen" above is probably Col. Edward John Cage Kewen, on whom I have the following stray notes: ca. 1826-1828, born in Missouri; practiced law in St. Louis, Missouri; California’s first State Attorney General; Los Angeles Star of December 6, 1856: “Col. E.J.C. Kewen.—We take the following, regarding this gentleman, from the Nicarauguense of Nov. 1st: [‘]This gentleman departs by the present steamer for the United States, on business connected with the Republic of Nicaragua. We beseech ‘Young America’ to give him a hearing in the United States. Col. Kewen is known in California as one of the most eloquent and graceful speakers in that State, and his relations with this country have proved him worthy of all confidence. He is an apostle of Progress, and all we ask of the people of the Southern and Atlantic States is to lend him their ears.[’] The lady of Col. Kewen, has been residing in this city with her father, Dr. White, for some months past, and takes her departure by to-day’s steamer, to join the gallant Colonel at New Orleans”; January 17, 1857, published (Los Angeles Star): “ […], having arrived from Nicaragua, had addressed a mass meeting of the citizens of New Orleans on the state of affairs in that country. The papers of that city are enthusiastic in their praises of his oration. […] We learn […] that Col. E.J.C. Kewen […] has left New Orleans for Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia to raise recruits for General Walker”; February 6, 1858, published (Los Angeles Star): “E.J.C. Kewen, Attorney and Counsellor at Law, Los Angeles, Cal., will practice in the Courts of the First Judicial District, the Supreme Court, and the U.S. District Court of the Southern District of California. Office, in Salis’ [i.e., Celis’] Building, recently occupied by C.E. Thom, Esq.,—opposite the Bella Union”; 1858, city School Superintendent; August 14, 1858, published (Los Angeles Star): “on the north side of our office [of the Los Angeles Star], Col. E.J. Kewen has removed his office to the house formerly occupied by Mr. Temple. With him is Mr. Myer J. Newmark, Notary Public”; August 27, 1859, published (Los Angeles Star): “E.J.C. Kewen, Attorney and Counsellor at Law, Los Angeles, Cal. […] Office, in Temple’s Building, opposite Mellus’s store”; 1860, present in San Gabriel as L.A. District Attorney with savings of $7,000 and real estate valued at $25,000; 1860s, in partnership with Myron Norton; 1862, mentioned as showing support for the Confederacy; October 18, 1862, published (Los Angeles Star): “He was, as will be remembered, arrested in Los Angeles some time ago, for alleged treasonable language”; mid-1860s, shot Fred Lemberg, not fatally, for a supposed indignity; 1870, present in San Gabriel as a lawyer with savings of $1,000 and real estate valued at $43,000; 1872, listed as present at Mission San Gabriel; 1872, “Col. Kewen was one of those brilliant men of whom we have seen so many, gifted with fine powers of oratory, but who are deficient in that nice poise of judgment which renders their words weighty and decisive when applied to the practical questions of life. He was brave, generous and affable. He could not do enough for a friend, and was the most entertaining of hosts at his fine home, ‘El Molino,’ in the San Gabriel orange belt. He came to California across the plains in 1849 in the same wagon train with Dr. T.J. White, of St. Louis, and family, and on their arrival at Sacramento, he married one of his daughters. This was one of the first weddings, if not the first, celebrated between Americans in that city. Col. Kewen was of a martial spirit, and when General Walker, the great filibuster, took his ill-fated expedition to Nicaragua, he joined him and fought under his banner gallantly to the end. He was the first Attorney-General of the State, filling the office from 1849 to 1851. He died in Los Angeles in 1879” (Ayers, James J., Gold and Sunshine, Boston, 1922; pp. 268-269); ca. 1872, as a lawyer, involved in the aftermath of the Chinese Massacre; ca. 1875, lived on 450 acres in what is now the north part of the city of San Gabriel, property including the mission’s decaying old mill, which he converted into a residence; sometime member of the State Assembly and, later, District Attorney; November, 1879, died; distinguished for eloquence; wife Fanny was a daughter of Dr. T.J. White; son Perry; in San Gabriel, a neighbor was Volney Howard.

Edit: But wait! There's more!:

Bonus: The above Col. Kewen was likely the source of the name of Kewen Dorsey. Who was Kewen Dorsey? The son of Hilliard Dorsey and Civility Rubottom, the latter of whom was the daughter of William Rubottom, who not only shot dead his son-in-law Hilliard but also supposedly imported the first possums into California.

You might've read it here:


I didn't put it in the post, but, in one of the links I included, Bowers said he worked there for 13 months. He had resigned (his word) from the gas station and been asked by John Walsh to help him open the 881 Club. When it opened he was only supposed to be the bartender until they found a replacement for him but John Walsh liked him there and was lackadaisical about it, but Bowers didn't belong to the bartender's union. The people Walsh got for the job he didn't like and Bowers stayed on. After pressure from union representatives John Walsh got him a Union card, but Bowers only stayed on a few more months. He said, though, this is where he learned to be a bartender.

In the photo, E_R, the lady to your left looks like "a Flying Nun."

I have to agree with CBD's description of who wore leisure suits. I guess I had one that you'd call a leisure suit, though I never thought of it like that. They were extremely popular, I recall.

Speaking recently of Pete Ellis and Cal Worthington and their commercial jingles, last night's episode of Will & Grace featured Jack & Karen unable to get a certain car/truck jingle out of their heads and they ended up going to a doctor for help. :cheers:

Which "old mill"? The old, old mill or the newer old mill?:

"...From 1816-1823 the Old Mill harnessed water from the adjacent canyon to grind wheat and corn to feed more than a thousand Mission Indians.

After being put to use at the mill, the water flowed into a bog at the present day location of Lacy Park. There, the Padres built a dam to power a sawmill, wool-washing works, and a tannery. According to Hiram Reid’s History of Pasadena, the dam caused the lake to double in size. Its storage capacity increased exponentially.

Though the Old Mill was quickly superseded by a more advanced mill built closer to the Mission,..."
la creek freak


Oh, here it is. Thank you wiki.
"In 1858, Dr. White conveyed the "Old Mill Site" to his daughter Fannie Kewen; she and her husband, Col. E. J. C. Kewen, both lived there for 20 years."

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/W8...j=w855-h340-no
google maps

Old Mill Foundation website

A "then" shot of the mill looking east towards the lake (now Lacey Park):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tI...O=w957-h504-no
oldmill.org


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Ah yes, a "certain House" here in 1895:

Now the site of the Quon Building.

:previous: Here's a new link to last photo in t2's post above. The photo is awkwardly titled, "Office of Governor Pio Pico, last California capital of Mexico"

The Islandora/UCLA link only works during roughly business hours in the Pacific Time Zone, and I don't know why that is.

This old mill?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/llYmNB.jpg
california state library

written on photo: The Old San Gabriel Mill. Cal State description:"two-story adobe building surrounded by vegetation, clothes on line at right"

(clothes on the line = residence)

Bingo!
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mystery adobe
 

Does anyone know where this "disheveled" adobe was located (description per USCDL)?

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4682/...b0fbcfe6_b.jpg

Looks like the street sign could say 'MAIN ST."

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4692/...3697b9ec_b.jpg

Yes, that one. After living there 20 years, the Kewens defaulted on the mortgage and it was repossessed. I was a little confused at first b/c odinthor's source said the mill was in north San Gabriel, but it is actually in southern San Marino. The borders have been redrawn many times; confusion is easy.

The Kewens added French doors and a portico.

Lots of great photos of the mill building here and one of Kewen:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/i9...k=w450-h436-no
Edward J.C. Kewen (1825 – 1879)

And a clear diagram of how it worked...or didn't work. It was only in operation for 7 years (1816-1823). The design left the newly-milled flour damp:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/q0...G=w956-h623-no




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Yes, that title, repeated many times on the web, was the subject of my post on the building. I'm pretty sure it was never the capital of California...or Pio Pico's office.

I used to live about one & a quarter mile from Lacy Park in San Marino. It was a park where there was a place for local kids to have a birthday Party, a community summer concert, a wedding or the occasional exotic car show.

Driving by Lacy Park a few times I would look down on the park but I never knew it was once a lake. It makes sense now.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/56...9f6f842a19.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/56...9f6f842a19.jpg

In re: The Mill, I have a note, evidently from a crystal ball as I didn't bother to write down the source, that Joseph Chapman--originally of Bouchard's piratical corps but subsequently a solid and useful Californian--was "October, 1821, requisitioned by the mission fathers to construct a mill at San Gabriel, as he had already done at Mission Santa Ines," with a further note that Newmark says that Chapman also built a mill at the future Capitol Milling Company site in L.A. If the San Gabriel mill was originally built in 1816, it could be that Chapman in 1821 was "requisitioned" to make the darn thing actually work.

t2 gives much good information and many references in the cited posts on the matter. To which I add:

In a book by an author whose taste, sense, and probity I consider equivalent to my own, Narciso Botello states that "I, along with some others, was in the government house at that time (the residence had belonged to Isaac Williams; Governor Pico had bought it with public funds, at a cost of about $10,000, paid in several installments; Pio Pico designated the house as being for the government, and established offices in it for the members of the assembly and others, it being the residence of the governor as well; now it is the Bella Union on Main Street" (Narciso Botello's Annals of Southern California 1833-1847, by Brent C. Dickerson, p. 70).

The same author, in an upcoming book, devotes the following lines to the same structure, which may or may not be of interest: "The town casa of Isaac Williams on Main St. was prone to being used for governmental purposes, and such was its usage by Governor Micheltorena, Governor Pico, Commodore Stockton, Capt. Gillespie, the Flores Revolt insurgent command, and the U.S. Court system prior to becoming the Bella Union Hotel. From various stray statements and hints, one gathers that it had at least one quite large room and further rooms sufficient for housing or office space for several officials, a passageway linking an inner courtyard to Main St., and a large walled corral in the back fronting on or even incorporating the adjacent section of Los Angeles St., large enough for temporary barracks as well as the horses."

The same author, who seems to have a lot of nervous energy to expend, devotes further lines to the matter, and provides a sort of reconstruction, or more accurately deconstruction, of the building at the notes to paragraph 178 at this site: http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/botello.html, about 3/4 of the way down.

El Molino Vieja, El Molino Nuevo y La Presa
 

There's a link on El Molino Vieja's wiki page (note 7) which states:

"While several dates between 1810 and 1820 have been suggested as the actual year of construction for El Molino Viejo, 1816 seems the most probable. The records of Mission San Gabriel for this year state that a mill for grinding grain was built with measurements corresponding closely to those of El Molino Viejo."

So 1816 is a bit of a guess. I actually find it hard to believe that a mill which got the product wet would be used for 7 years.

Unless the entire mechanics of the dam was replaced, it wasn't going to work. The horizontal mill wheel drew water up the shaft to the milling area.
Joseph Chapman didn't design the mill works, that was José María de Zalvidea.

Chapman supervised the building of the new mill in 1821/22 with enslaved labor "furnished" by Zalvidea, as he had with the old mill. This time the mill wheel was vertical. It was paired with a dam (built at the same time) to capture the water which had powered the old mill. The water was carried in an adobe flume and a masonry millrace to the new mill at the mission, 3+ miles away to the SW. The new arrangement opened in 1823 (some sources say 1825).

The dam is still there, its reservoir now filled or covered over, on Sunny Slope Water Company land, about 2.5 miles below the old mill:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/N5...=w1208-h517-no
google maps

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fJ...-=w688-h538-no
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3Z...m=w730-h523-no
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/do...r=w339-h609-no
google maps images

"When L. J. Rose acquired the land in 1861, [Tongva] women from the nearby village of Acurag-na would still do laundry on the dam’s broad surface. Rose named the estate Sunny Slope."

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You are such a card odinthor.

What am I to make of this? (last para, "Alteration")

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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/HcMb7p.jpg
detail

:previous: Thanks for your help Hoss.

Surprisingly, 'Fred Hayman's Downtown' was a restaurant and not a clothing a clothing store.

"By May 1965, a columnist reported Fred Hayman was leaving the Ambassador Hotel and teaming up with an investor
to take over an old downtown restaurant at Hill and Eighth Streets. He lost no time in overhauling the place,
from signature platters to red leather barstools, and rechristening it Fred Hayman’s Downtown."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/ezs51D.jpg
fred hayman


& before Mr. Layman was the General Manager of the Ambassador Hotel, he was in charge of the banquet facilities,
and later the Resident Manager, of the Beverly Hilton.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/TZtcAJ.jpg
nowness


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/kGpfpf.jpg
fred hayman

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Missions and water
 

This line about women doing laundry, plus the references to the mission, made me remember a visit to Ventura when I used to look for geocaches all the time. (http://www.geocaching.com for the curious)

The cache I sought was hidden at an adobe water filtration building. This small building was hidden in the Valdez Alley area of Eastwood park near the Ventura cross and the San Buenaventura Mission. (googlemap link: https://goo.gl/maps/AsNEhKd2JtJ2)

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4734/...1aa1769f_b.jpg
Water Filtration Building by Kimberly, on Flickr

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Water Filtration Building by Kimberly, on Flickr

I would never have known about this building or the area without geocaching. I had been in the area for work, and wanted to see what geocaches were in the area, so I could have a little fun hunting a few before I drove back home. There was also a cache at the Ventura cross.

It was one of those things that went both ways, if memory serves. At first, they were for the hip and trendy crowd. Hip and trendy crowds, being not only hip but also trendy, set things aside pretty quickly, and it's on to the next shiny thing . . . but meantime, the price comes down because cheap knock-offs from overseas come on the market, the thing in question gets wider distribution, and folks who want to appear hip and trendy, and can now afford to do so, are now seen in their grip . . . . making the true hip and trendies start mocking them. So everybody's right.

Location adds another dimension. My beloved forebears and hordes of kinfolk are all Midwesterners, and if you scratch deep enough, you'll find that I'm at heart a Midwesterner . . . but here I am, all my life in fashion-forward Southern California. Many a time in my childhood, I well remember, I'd be exposed to cutting-edge items and ideas in my daily life--they would become my daily fare, so to speak--only to be shocked and, I must admit, a little amused five years later when the kinfolk back on the prairie would come around sporting these items or attitudes as if they were hot off the griddle. O tempora! O mores!

FWIW, here's an alternate photo from this location that I found on two non-English blogs.

http://www.moviestruckers.com/wp-con...-history-2.jpgMoviestruckers

I visited Universal Studios a number of times during the 1970's (including the Summer of 1974), but wasn't aware of a Leisure Suit dress code for young boys.

I do remember wearing a fair amount of Corduroy back then, though, including OP Corduroy shorts.

It was a special time for fashion. The Brady Bunch set the style.

:)

To add to our gallery of members' photos...

One peculiarity of the 1970s-early 1980s was tight clothing. Here I am with my clothing practically painted on . . .

https://s26.postimg.org/plpnvof3d/BCD80s_L.jpg
odinthor collection; taken at the Huntington Library

OK, I won't make you endure any more shots of me. :slob:

ER was 13 years old then. When I was 13 we had a charge account at a local men's clothing store and I went there and charged for my own clothes. I only bought the clothes that I liked. When I was a teenager my mom was in college and too busy to fuss with our clothes. The billing-statements came in the mail and my father paid it. In this case ER's mom bought the Leisure suit for him.....it was her choice, not his, if I correctly understand what happened. I am sure she meant well. Also, ER turned out to be an exemplary person whom we all admire.

IMO by age 13 or 14 kids should be allowed to wear their own choice in clothes but each family has its own rules and traditions.

I recall that most of the clothing presents at Christmas were sort of neutral things like socks, ties and underwear.....not trousers, shoes and shirts.

ER is from middle America and family traditions and customs may have been different then and there. Life goes on.....;)

814 and 820 S. Flower Street
 

alester young, I could not find any previous information at NLA on the house (820 S. Flower) or the property to its left
(814 S. Flower) in this 1916 photo you referred to:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...m.jpg~original

00013875 at LAPL



We're looking at the west side of Flower, just below 8th, and discussing the northern Lot 18 (814; vacant here)
and the north half of Lot 17 (820), Block 56. That's Flower on the left and 8th at the top:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...m.jpg~original

1910 Baist Map @ HistoricMapWorks


Henry A. Getz had 820 S. Flower built in 1893:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...y.jpg~original

Jan 22, 1893, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...n.jpg~original

Feb 25, 1893, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...a.jpg~original

Oct 1, 1893, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...5.jpg~original

Oct 30, 1893, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


Henry Getz is first at 820 S. Flower in the 1894 LACD. I did not look into how the two Getzes got to be related:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...r.jpg~original

1894 LA City Directory @ fold3.com


Anyway, there is a Feb 2, 1922, building permit to move 820 S. Flower to 1332 Newton Street
(near S. Central Avenue and E. 14th Street):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...v.jpg~original

LADBS


There is also a Sep 23, 1960, BP to demolish 1332 Newton.


As to 814 S. Flower, here is some information about it:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...n.jpg~original

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...h.jpg~original

Aug 4, 1912, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


You can see 814 S. Flower being demolished here.

Not just opossums
 

William Rubottom, founder of the now-vanished town of Spadra: the first American settlement in Los Angeles County east of the San Gabriel River.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...wiley-rubottom

So many interconnections among the earliest Americanos in the Southland. Makes me suspect everyone was personally acquainted with everyone else here to some degree in pre-Civil War days.

I gave y'all a teaser about this around Christmas; but it was too grim for the yuletide. Having mentioned Civility Rubottom recently, however, brings it to my attention again. She certainly lived a tumultuous life! Here's what happened with her second husband James M. Greenwade (as you will recall, her father shot her first husband dead), whom she had married May 1, 1860:

“Across the road [at Temescal Station] was another adobe. It was a store and stable. There was a store in it when [James] Greenwade was there, and, I believe, later when Tom Bedford had the place, but when I was there, there was no store. I don’t know when the adobes were built, but I suppose for the Butterfield stage line that ran through the Temescal in 1861. My information concerning Jim Greenwade came from Damron. Greenwade was a son-in-law of old Jim Rubottom [undoubtedly intending William Rubottom; Jim Rubottom would have been Greenwade’s brother-in-law], a well known character who settled at Spadra, near Pomona, back in the 50’s. Greenwade had charge of the station for the stage company, and kept on living there until he killed himself, and his daughter. Mr. Damron, who at the time lived as a neighbor, just up the canyon, said that Greenwade planned to kill himself, son [given names Jefferson Davis], daughter [Elizabeth], and wife [Civility Rubottom]. It was Christmas morning [1868]. Greenwade fixed up four glasses of toddy and poured in some strychnine. Mrs. Greenwade was busy with some sausage, and she set her glass to one side. The boy, Jeff[,] ran out of the house. When the girl [Lizzie] was taken with convulsions Jeff told his mother that he had seen his father put some powder in the glasses. Greenwade and the girl were buried on the side of the hill southeast of the station above a ditch that Greenwade had built to bring water down from the canyon to the east. Afterward, the bodies were moved away. That was before I went there” (Orange County History Series Volume Three. Santa Ana, 1939, pp. 63-64).

Civility Rubottom died at her father's house in Spadra on March 6, 1876.

The Butcher Block, 1386 North Lake Avenue [as seen in 1955] -and in 2014 (it's a nail spa now)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/gvYOcp.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/U6hZyK.jpg
avenuetothesky and gsv


The building is larger than I first thought; there are a couple other storefronts with the same creative brick design along the roofline.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/70oJv4.jpg

It's pretty obvious the brick design continues uninterrupted from one end of the building to the other but is now covered over in the middle.
What's surprising, is that middle section appears to be in place as far back as 1955. (see the Butcher Block photo)


Now to the rooftop sign at far right:

Obviously it's old, so I've been wondering what was originally there.
(the sign has recently been used by the Fred Astaire Dance Center, and now for Pasadena Fitness)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/xQDibL.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/OztMl9.jpg

I thought the building might have been a bank but the sign appears to be shaped like...a crown(?) :shrug:

Do any of you nearby residents remember what used to be there?
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/i9...k=w450-h436-no

Edward J.C. Kewen (1825 – 1879)


Thanks for the link t2. there are some great photographs.

I noticed one of the photographs at the link is blurry so I thought I'd go ahead and post it in high definition from [link coming]

(I don't believe we have seen this particular image on nla)

"Residence of Col. Kewen, San Gabriel"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/jiHs31.jpg


I believe Col. Kerwen is on the balcony with his wife and daughter. (I have to admit, I skimmed through some of the background info. on Col. Kerwen) -sorry

But I have a question: (of course I do)

Did Col. Kewen have a handicapped son?

Down below, in front of the house, a young man is sitting in a wheel chair with an attendant behind him.
If he is part of the immediate family, he's probably down below, and not on the balcony with the rest, because of the difficulty presented by the stairs.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/QQn6Gc.jpg
detail

the young lad in the wheel chair breaks my heart. :(






a closer view of the family up above:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/PkLFJW.jpg
detail

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side note:

the photograph is from a stereo-view
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/TVmJ9y.jpg

Then and now
 

This one from Calisphere is captioned "Unidentifed street, Los Angeles, 1966." It looks smoggy.

https://i.imgur.com/cDApL1e.jpg
calisphere.org

The clue here is the name of the store on the corner on the right: "Edson Furniture." The 1965 CD puts it at 3401 S San Pedro.

Today, it looks like this:

https://i.imgur.com/86W5FEy.jpg
GSV

50+ years later, the place is in the same line of business, although "Edson Furniture" is now "Ayutia Muebleria."

814 and 820 Flower Street
 

Thanks Flyingwedge for the very comprehensive information on these properties. The amount of knowledge and information on this thread amazes me.

The relocation of 820 was unexpected, as was that it survived through to 1960. This area seems to have undergone a lot of redevelopment in the 1920s -I guess no surprise bearing in mind its downtown location.

Once again, many thanks. Best regards. Alester.

I found the following on the Avenue to the Sky - Lake Avenue, Pasadena blog:

The Crown Market located at 1368 North Lake Avenue, just north of Washington Blvd. in the heart of the Lake Washington Village District, did a brisk business from the 1920's through the 1970's in gourmet food, supplying many of the leading hotels and restaurants in Pasadena, as it was known also as the Crown Restaurant Supply Company. The most distinguishing feature of the Crown Market was its huge rooftop neon sign, double sided, in the form of a crown, outlined in neon, and flashing "M E A T S" to passing motorists and pedestrians.

There is a small black & white image of the neon sign at the link above.

He indeed had a son Perry, born ca. 1858 in Missouri. I'm afraid I have no further information on Perry, though. Col. Kewen involved himself in militaristic adventures. It wouldn't be surprising if his son came along at some point and was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Alas!

e_r, fear not: I managed to scrape up a little on Kewen the son:

https://s26.postimg.org/c9e33gl3t/Kewen.jpg
Los Angeles Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library

Edit (additional item)

Just another day in court in L.A.:

https://s26.postimg.org/i96fkp2y1/Da...Calif62077.jpg

A family shot ?
 

This is a remark in e-r's style. The first guy from the left (seated) and the first from the right (standing) look like brothers. This led me to think that finally they look all somewhat like brothers, cousins and maybe sister. « Scotty with his family » ?... or is it just me ?

If the wheelchair user was part of the immediate family, they all should have posed together on the lawn b/c Universal Access. If your assumption is correct, the problem is one of abled attitudes back then, not stairs.

A short bio reprinted in the LA Herald at the time of Kewens 1879 death notes he was a onetime inmate of Alcatraz.


I enjoyed the photo of the mill when it was the clubhouse for the Huntington Hotel links. El Molina Viejo is supposed to be our oldest commercial structure and has certainly existed through a variety of environments:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tX...x=w954-h190-no
oldmill.org

Thanks very much for doing that! Do you still have the photo in this post from May 22, 2011?

Thanks for digging up the information on Perry Kewen odinthor. I really appreciate it.
I completely agree t2 :previous:

If the boy was a member of the immediate family he should have been up on the balcony with the family & if that wasn't possible
they ALL should have posed together on the lawn.

but perhaps I'm making too big of a deal about it. For all we know, the lad could have been the caretaker's son.
If that was the case, it was a kind gesture of the family to include them in the photograph.
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There was a 2nd stereo-view I assume was taken at the same time. (same photographer)

Initially viewing this as a thumbnail, I thought it was a photograph of a fountain on the lawn.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/CRdity.jpg
link coming



but now I believe it might be a remnant of the old mill. :shrug: (or perhaps a well gone dry?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/sYfNtL.jpg

For all I know, it might still be there on the grounds.
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p.s. can anyone tell which part of the lawn this is showing. (front...side...or back?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/QsGN6R.jpg
Avenue to the Sky

Hoss, it looks like the :previous: Butcher Block space was a TV/Radio store at the time this pic was taken.

I wonder what that cluster of neon is farther down the street ?