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Now on to the substance. This is based on an entirely FALSE premise. Nobody here is advocating keeping everything locked down. I believe we are in agreement that once most people who are willing--and I do think there needs to be some coercion of the less than willing such as vaccine passports for indoor crowded events, pressure at office job sites to either get vaccinated or undergo frequent testing at YOUR expense and so on--have been vaccinated, we can relax most of the public health measures. I personally plan to continue to wear a mask in some settings where I never would have thought of doing so previously until COVID become truly a sporadic illness with NO regularly occurring cases. But even that should probably become voluntary one we have given as many shots as people are willing to take. Finally, yes, we MAY need to continuously come up with new vaccines and the mRNA technology makes that pretty easy. But if we suppress coronavirus replication drastically, mutation may be few and far between and new "booster" shots may hardly be needed. |
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But to your point on variants, like you I am not freaked out, but if we can minimize the number of variants and their potential problems, why not? That is why I want everyone, old and young, to get vaccinated, whether mRNA based or vaccines like J&J (assuming there is 1. No causal connection or 2. Deemed worth the risk). |
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There has never been an approved mRNA vaccine. There have not even been large scale phase 3 studies of a previous mRNA vaccine, just earlier stage research. It is a new technology. |
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We mostly agree the CDC blew their early responsibilities with a test that didn't work and totally inadequate contact tracing and so on a year ago. In my opinion, their most important job right now is genotyping any and all "breakthrough" cases looking for evidence of variants that do have an ability to evade the vaccines in serious numbers and, if any are discovered, making sure that production of modified vaccines is in process. The article I posted above suggests they are on top of this. I just hope they are. It is also important to reduce viral replication as much as possible. That will minimize the potential for mutations that could be a problem. And it means getting as many people as possible vaccinated, young and old (it doesn't matter how sick the virus makes you when it infects you--it can mutate in you regardless). It also means that young people avoiding vaccination and/or accepting a high degree of risk of infection is a problem for everyone because they are an incubator for potential mutations. All this is among the reasons 10023's attitude is so wrong. But to the degree urban politician just wants lockdowns and economy-damaging restrictions lifted, we agree. I've personally never been for the tightest of measures (I said at the beginning of this discussion that I wouldn't stay locked in my home even if told to) and I agree with him that even the time for lesser but economy-damaging measures has passed. And for G*d sake get the schools open. |
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And my gosh, how many minutes a day do you spend "working out"? Arguably 30 minutes spent getting a flue shot once a year is a better way to spend that 30 minutes. |
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All that said I would not go shopping in a grocery store without a mask more because I have taken risks and want to mitigate that risk to strangers. I would not eat in a crowded restaurant or go to a bar yet. I am not upset that these establishments are opening up and if adults want to frequent them so be it. Just be decent and respectable when you're in a public place that other people need to be rather than choose to be in like a grocery store post office, pharmacy etc. and wear a mask is all I ask. Oh and get vaccinated as soon as you can. I find it odd some people are not concerned about catching the virus but then are concerned about getting the vaccine because one in a million have had an adverse reaction. :koko: |
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No reason to suspect urban areas this Summer won't be party-central. |
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"4,000 or more audience members (or 100 or more audience members and food and beverages are served)"--sounds like baseball, football, soccer to me. In also like that there's going to be so much incentive to get vaccinated for people of all ages. CA is now vaccinating everyone 16 and above. |
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The first lockdowns in March of last year made sense because we didn’t quite know what we were dealing with. By May or June we did and precautions should have been voluntary and based on individual risk. The subsequent rules (even when restaurants/pubs in the UK were open from late July to October, they were not enjoyable) and then 6 more months of lockdowns were inexcusable and caused by the inability or unwillingness of the old or otherwise vulnerable to take appropriate precautions. And the media has pushed lies and engineered panic in order to keep people with nothing to worry about compliant. We didn’t need lockdowns, we needed common sense. |
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Working out is key to avoiding Covid. No, going to the gym tomorrow isn't going to help you. But the data are clear: being overweight is a HUGE factor in getting a bad case of Covid.
To the earlier question about knowing people that don't want the vaccine. Almost everyone back in Arkansas that I know isn't. I don't think any of my family is to be honest. The doorman in the my building says he isn't getting it. Compare this to kids in my classes at school. They are driving 4 hours south to get a vaccine. |
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I actually think this is over-reaction. What is true is that in certain states as much as ⅓ of the vaccine supply has not YET been used (Georgia) however it's an open question whether that's due to vaccine hesitancy or inefficiency on the part of the state's roll-out. Georgia has been a laggard from the beginning. Most states seemed to have used an average of around 80% of the vaccine they have been provided and the remaining doses are reserved in most cases as "second doses" for those who've received only the first Moderna or Pfizer dose. In the Bay Area, now that everyone 16 and over is eligible, appointments seem to be going quickly: COVID vaccine hunters say Bay Area slots are going quickly as 'open season' arrives One the other hand, in Arizona I do note the daily injections seem stuck in the upper 50,000s while nationally they keep going higher. I don't know if this is because of supply limitations or because your tough, independent Arizonan wants to face the virus without help. It is true that Arizona has a bit more vaccine on hand than average at 21.4% of what it has been provided. |
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Don't use being in what you think is good shape be an excuse not to get vaccinated as 10023 is doing. Finally, if what you say about the prevalent attitude in Chicago is true, I'm just glad I don't live there. I want my Uber driver to be vaccinated. I want everyone I share the halls of my building to be vaccinated. If an employee of my building refused, I'd want management to require frequent tests of that person. And I would stay out of indoor spaces shared with friends and family who refuse and I would tell them why point blank. |
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;) 56 if anything, is intellectually is younger and fresher. More experiences, more long term memories stored. More overall plasticity of the natural world and past events. Which is why neurodegenerative diseases are so tragic. Better to lose a leg than to degenerate into long-term memory inhibition that is irreversible. |
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If I’m going to have asymptomatic Covid but you are at risk of illness, should (a) both of us be confined to our homes with restaurants, bars, gyms and retail closed; or (b) you avoid such places while I go about my life in as normal a manner as possible? The answer is clearly (b), and anyone who supports (a) is doing so out of either an unjustified degree of concern or spite (this is my father’s attitude - basically, “why should the young get to have fun if I can’t”). Either way, screw them. |
Latest data by parish for Louisiana showing percent of the 18+ population vaccinated. New Orleans crossed the 50% line for those receiving at least one dose and having a fairly high degree of protection from infection. Current positive rate is 0.5% in the city. Getting pretty darn close to herd immunity in the city.
The three principle parishes of metro New Orleans (Orleans, Jefferson, St. Tammany) all have more than 1 out of 3 adults fully vaccinated. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzCCfuNV...jpg&name=small courtesy @Crimealytics |
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There has been some discussion of irrational mutant fears here. So today, from the CEO of Pfizer:
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As I've explained, I am perhaps a little more sanguine than these biotech CEOs in that I think if the current vaccines work as well as they seem to we could suppress infection rates, and hence viral mutation rates, enough to make the rise of new mutant strains a pretty rare event. But that would take most people in the developed world putting aside their vaccine hesitancy and it would take a massive campaign to get the developing world vaccinated. I don't think we'll be able to do that in one year but maybe in 3-5. |
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There are actually quite a few experimental uses of nanoparticles in biomedicine now. By definition, a nanoparticle is any particle less than 100 nanometers in size. I'm pretty sure no one could see that. It might make the fluid it's in appear cloudy if the concentration is high enough. But I'm wondering why you ask. What use are you thinking of in relation to COVID? |
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Also, why is it that each time 10023 mentions his ”good shape”, the more I am thinking of the Aesop Fable The Boy Who Cried Wolf… |
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I’m in great shape, everybody
I work out a lot, and I lift weights. I watch videos of Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 70s training for Mr. Olympia and it motivates me. He had an amazing body! Covid ain’t got a chance against me and Arnold! |
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High blood pressure, diabetes found to be most common underlying conditions in L.A. County COVID-19 deaths by: Erika Martin Posted: Apr 14, 2021 / 07:59 PM PDT / Updated: Apr 14, 2021 / 08:05 PM PDT High blood pressure and diabetes were the most common underlying conditions found among those with comorbidities who died from COVID-19 in Los Angeles County, health officials announced Wednesday. Having an underlying condition can strongly increase the risk of death from COVID-19, and about 85% of Angelenos who died from the virus had at least one comorbidity, which is the presence of one or more additional conditions, L.A. County public health officials said in a news release. High blood pressure was the most common, seen in 52% of deaths. Another 41% of decedents had diabetes, and 26% had a cardiovascular disease other than hypertension, officials said. A neurologic disease was the fourth-leading preexisting condition, noted among 21% of those who died, and 16% had chronic renal disease, according to the Department of Public Health. “People who live with chronic illnesses suffer the worst outcomes of COVID-19 infection,” the department said in a statement. “These numbers should remind us of the importance of ensuring equitable access to preventive healthcare and the other resources that reduce people’s vulnerability to this virus.” Those with such underlying conditions became eligible for a vaccine in California on March 15, due to their higher risk of death from the virus. Click here for more information on how to find a vaccine appointment in Southern California, where everyone over age 16 is now eligible. Chronic illness was also a leading indicator of COVID-19 hospitalization, with about 87% of those treated for the virus in L.A. County from last August to January having at least one comorbidity. The most common preexisting condition among hospitalized patients was cardiovascular disease, including high blood pressure, observed in 66% of patients, officials said. That was followed by diabetes, found in 42% of people hospitalized, and 36% of those who died were obese, according to the health department figures. Another 57 coronavirus deaths were reported in L.A. County Wednesday, raising the pandemic’s toll to 23,553. Around 500 people were battling the virus in hospitals countywide as of Wednesday, about a quarter of them in intensive care. But health officials pointed to one encouraging figure: With more older residents becoming fully vaccinated, the rate of hospitalization for people 80 and older has dropped by 96%. Link: https://ktla.com/news/coronavirus/hi...vid-19-deaths/ |
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If overweight people are statistically more likely to get in a car wreck, that's pure happenstance in statistics. If someone is more likely to die of a virus because of being overweight, those two things are directly related. |
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