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Not directed at them, but some doctors are saying that the aversion to wearing masks is linked to anxiety and anxiety disorders, and people on the autism spectrum. |
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I also find it unhygienic to be constantly touching your mask; in the beginning, I used to take it completely off when I drove by myself, but I didn't like that I was constantly touching the mask to put it on when I left the car, so some time later I started putting it under my chin when I drive by myself or with my partner. I could be wrong but I think it's best to touch your mask as little as possible. People are often constantly tugging at their mask... when I need to adjust mine, I use the ear loops. When I'm out walking, and I'm not in a crowd, I'll wear the mask under my chin, and then when a large group or old people start approaching, I'll use the ear loops to put the mask over my mouth and nose. |
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Mask waring increases face touching. When I wear a mask indoors, I am constantly adjusting it because unfortunately, I like to talk a lot and I have a big dome sitting on top of my neck (long Spanish face). After being in a public space, but before I take the mask off, I quirt some hand sanitizer in my hands, then take it off. After the CDC's recent study about surface spread, it probably didn't matter. |
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Anyways, I do it because I don't like conflict or attention (surprise). But after Friday when I get vaccinated, I will no longer be wearing a mask outside. It will go in my back pocket until I get back inside. I'll be vaccinated and its getting hot as shit, so yeah. |
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Comparing heavily masked states vs less masked states shows pretty much no difference at this point. The real life data on the ground is showing it doesn't matter. |
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It comes down to a Roman Numeral + Letter classification before we decide what to recommend to people, and the strength of that recommendation varies. So a Class IA recommendation is the highest. A Class IC is much lower, while a class IIC recommendation is the lowest strength recommendation. I would gather that mask wearing falls under IC (benefit way outweighs the miniscule risk of wearing a mask, and data is very limited, thus we are generally following expert opinion) https://www.wikidoc.org/images/f/f0/...sification.JPG Source: https://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/AC...ication_scheme |
Pretty good summary of the data here, with a table listing multiple studies showing positive outcomes with mask wearing.
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1. Thanks for both of you for providing actual evidence, instead of just saying CRACKPOT! 2. Homebucket, that study (and one I checked out that was cited https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...6.2020.1862409) have some elements that I think are important to point out. First, they mention that they didn't know if Covid was found in smaller aerosol particles (or something along those lines). That's an issue because masks are primarily stopping the larger particles. Second, they perform a fit test before the experiments. Normal humans don't do this. In fact, I would say a slight majority of people wearing masks either have them barely covering their nose or are not fit in any way, allowing a large amount of air to come out, which I assume they do on accident or on purpose so they can breath better. 3. A clothe mask fitted correctly, stops 51% of transmission. That's a lot higher than 0, to be sure, but its still 49% not effective even in a controlled environment. With improper wearing, I am sure that 51% goes down way further. 3. With all of that said, and I think those are important points, I'll give yall credit. But this doesn't mean I still don't have questions about why we don't see massive disparities between highly-masked states vs. relatively unmasked states. We simply don't see the disparity. Of course there could be a million reasons why this is so, but that is kind of the point. I still don't think masks are as important as people make them out to be for the reasons I mentioned above. In any case, I will not be wearing a mask outdoors starting Friday as all clinical and real life evidence shows that my chances of getting Covid and then spreading it are extremely small. And if this state doesn't lift their mask mandate in good time, I will simply go to Indiana to shop. Texas is a good case study, they pretty much have gone back to normal, Jmac mentioned (I believe) that sure, the mandate is gone but most places still require masks. I am sure that's the case in big cities and suburbs, but probably not the case in small towns. We saw 38,000 people, mostly unmasked, at a baseball game the other day so we definitely have something to look at in due time. |
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I felt this was for the CE but since some people are hiding from the CE, I should bring in post-covid issues. Especially since they can impact a city (boom! on topic) especially out in the west coast. |
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I didn’t say anything about the vaccines. I think it’s important that everyone gets them. I got the second moderna shot about 2 weeks ago. |
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First one got kinda sick, my arm hurt pretty darn good. Second one sucked, I had almost a 101 fever, basically felt like the flu and I took the day off from work. But it lasted about a day and then after about 48 hours felt fine. I wish I would have gotten the Pfizer one since nobody seems to get sick from that. |
I left the hospital before my 15-minute "observation" time. I asked the nurse "do I have to sit here for 15 minutes or can I head out?" She was like, "yeah, just sign here and you're good to go."
I think the hype about the vaccine's side effects is just media driven because more people will get this vaccine in a short amount of time than at any other time in history, so it makes for good clicks. |
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It's a safety measure because these vaccines were developed and distributed in record time. Even if only 1% of people have negative side effects, does it not behoove medical professionals charged with the health and safety of their patients to be cautious as we continue to expand eligibility only a few months into giving the vaccine to the general public? How exhausting it must be to view literally everything as a conspiracy. Heres one: I couldn't find parking this morning because of street sweeping in the neighborhood, but it's actually a conspiracy between Chicago Streets and Sanition and the liberal media to scare people from using their cars, thus keeping them at home longer so the economy will shut down and we will be forced to become government charges. Diabolical, and a shame others are too blind to see it. |
The observation time is crucial. My cousin, who is a nurse, after her first dose of the vaccine, within 5 minutes, her face started to swell up. They ended up giving her Benadryl.
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What to know when you get your shot. Man dies two days after vaccine. Can you drive right after your shot? The list goes on, they just try to make a story about the vaccine at all possible times. I am not saying they are saying ITS NOT SAFE, but they won't stop talking about it. Just saw a local story yesterday that was about a man who had the vaccine but STILL GOT CORONA. No shit, its a vaccine, not a 100% protective vest you idiots lol These types of stories scare idiots who can't think. I never once said or implied the 15-minute wait was because of anything from the media. And calling every idea you don't agree with as a conspiracy is getting old. |
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And no, I signed a waiver, that is legit. |
The 15 minute observation time is for the patients own safety. It's the standard observation time after all immunizations as recommended by the ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices). Obviously, places will differ in their enforcement of the waiting period, and the chances of any serious adverse event is very, very low, but it is still there in place in case a patient has syncope or anaphylaxis, which can occur.
All the other side effects like fever, muscle aches, chills are perfectly normal and typically occur far beyond that 15 min observation window. Most of these effects happen 12-24 hours after the dose. |
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I hear from people, patients, all the time that they “heard this or this happened” as a result of the vaccine. I’m correcting this nonsense all of the time. Luckily it is far less now than it was even a month ago |
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i had no reaction to either shot. i got one in one arm and the second in the other arm, just to spread the love lol. maybe a little brief arm soreness around the shot sites afterward, but thats it. my spouse had her first pfizer shot and no reaction at all either. she was in and out the javits center in 20min, and that includes the 15min they ask you to wait afterward. they literally jabbed her after she walked in the door lol. she goes back for number two next week. :tup: |
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So you know what a real bitch of a shot is like, the "Peanut Butter" shot, this was not that shot lol |
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I worked at a Naval Training Center for 6 years. That only happens to Marines. Usually the tougher they think they are, the more likely. |
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Example from today:
Fox32 Chicago "Vaccination site closes after adverse reactions to johnson and johnson vaccine:report" "Health experts warn not to skip 2n dose of Covid-19 vaccine" Yesterday: "Moderna vaccine protection lasts at least 6 months" (what do idiots see? ONLY 6 months! Even though that's just the amount of time we've had to understand it) "Georgia woman contracts breakthrough Covid-19 infection after vaccination" "Nearly 250 fully vaccinated people in Michigan have tested positive for covid-19" This is really just from the last 36 hours for one local station. This is causing confusion and resistance and it isn't responsible, its for clicks. |
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It happens when the brain triggers vagal nerve activity that slows the heart and dilates blood vessels causing blood to pool and reducing circulating blood volume very briefly. Actually, when I was being taught how to draw blood, it happened to me as one of my classmates was drawing my blood. When I came to, the instructor was teaching the class about vasovagal syncope over me lying on the floor. Ever since I have a cold/clammy response to my own blood (but only mine--other peoples' doesn't bother me at all). And shots don't bother me either. |
Shots are fine. Drawing blood is horrible. Like seeing my blood flow out of my big vein is sick.
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The vaccines are known to only last 6 months because they've ONLY EXISTED 6 MONTHS. As Dr. Fauci ineptly explained, it's likely they last much longer but scientists won't tell the press we know they do until that amount of time has passed and we have the data. Indeed, even what they are measuring is probably silly. As I understand it, what has lasted 6 months SO FAR is measurable antibody production. But that's not what may be important. Over time that is almost certainly going to decline but what may never decline is that when your body encounters the coronavirus spike protein again, it will almost immediately react with a response that may include new antibody production and a cellular response. Within a few days, this measurable antibodies will be back. Clinically, the effect of this may or may not be as potent as having the antibodies already circulating but it will very likely moderate the severity of any COVID-related illness . . . possibly for the rest of your life. |
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The public is just making it worse with all of their misinformation and fears |
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Just to put the title of that insane article about Michigan into perspective:
Over 5 million doses have been administrated in Michigan. I would assume that means at least 1.5 million are fully vaccinated (picked that number out of my ass). So 250 cases for 1.5 million people. Not a story. |
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But the other reason that they make you wait is to respond to allergic reactions that may occur. Not everyone is aware of all their allergies. |
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The data on the vaccines has always been that they were about 95% effective in preventing "severe disease" and somewhat less at preventing ANY infection. Actually, 250/almost 2 million would be wonderful news if true. It would be .0125%. Any vaccine that's 99.9875% effective at preventing any infection would cause virologists and epidemiologists to swoon in ecstasy. |
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We don't take precautions like that for ANY other aspect of our lives, at all. |
^^ Again, you are jumping to the extreme. Am I wearing a mask when I take my dog for a walk? No. Am I wearing a mask when I am eating outside at a restaurant or bar? No. Am I wearing a mask when I am around people I know have been vaccinated? No. Am I traveling on an airplane, with a mask? Yes. Am I wearing a mask when I am inside a store or other public place? For the time being, Yes. Will I be carrying a mask with me in June? Yes but doubtful I will be wearing it, including inside. Will I take a mask with me on my two planned trips to Europe this summer/fall. Yes. Will I be wearing it at outdoor restaurants? No.
And it is fairly presumptuous of you to write "We don't take precautions like that for ANY other aspect of our lives, at all." You don't know what type of precautions people take, or have taken, in other aspects of their lives. |
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