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ethereal_reality Jul 13, 2014 4:58 PM

I agree with Otis. That was just an amazing article on Batchelder's tile art. I didn't realize his tiles also decorated the lobby of the Stowell Hotel (1913)
and the Roebling Building (1913) among others.

Thanks for the link mdiederi. -and kudos to the author Liz Arnold.

The Chocolate Shop


ethereal_reality Jul 13, 2014 9:53 PM

Here's a chocolate shop that was located in Pasadena (at the same time Mr. Batchelder was producing his tiles in Pasadena.)

-makes me wonder if there were any Batchelder tiles at this location.

ethereal_reality Jul 13, 2014 11:14 PM

The small hotel located above the disinfecting company gives me a noirish vibe.

I did a little snooping in the 1956 city directory and found out the hotel was the Memphis Hotel (at least in 1956).

Here's the same view today.

The Chunk-E-Nut building actually has some pretty nice tile work going on. (in the 1948 photo it looks like the tile designs were painted over)

The buildings are just west of the 6th Street Bridge. It make me wonder, if the new 6th Street bridge is built (the design is beautiful) would these neglected properties enjoy a new lease on life?


lemster2024 Jul 14, 2014 12:29 AM

The Arden plant was still up and running at least thru dad used to stock/sell Arden milk at our family grocery store up until then. He would drive past the Arden plant and the gasometers every day on his way driving my sisters to St. Mary's Academy on Slauson and Crenshaw.

ethereal_reality Jul 14, 2014 12:39 AM

Hollywood Camera Exchange, 1600 Cahuenga Boulevard

The same building today.


HossC Jul 14, 2014 12:41 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6653059)

Here's the same view today.

e_r, as you probably noticed, there's a truck blocking the view of this building in GSV, so it wasn't until I saw your Bing image that I understood why someone had stuck a home-made sign saying "LOSING" above the entrance next door :).

ethereal_reality Jul 14, 2014 1:03 AM

:previous: lol :) Somebody has a pretty good sense of humor.

Can you work your magic again GW?;) -like you did with the Daniel Murphy estate a few days ago.

I just noticed the home to the left is under construction.
also...instead of mother and child it could be governess/nurse and child. (the woman is all in white..even her stockings and shoes)


ethereal_reality Jul 14, 2014 1:45 AM

Have we seen the Girl's Collegiate School on NLA?

1914 postmark


BifRayRock Jul 14, 2014 6:03 AM

Too nice to preserve, or not nice enough?

Do not recall seeing any posts concerning the late Marie Antoinette Apartments 10799 Wilshire Blvd. (Not to be confused with the Men's Shop of a similar name :rolleyes: Ralph Meeker must have driven past that 10799 neon several times - but maybe not on film.

March 1939

Setting sun 1978

Flyingwedge Jul 14, 2014 7:11 AM

North side of 8th between Olive and Hill

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6651214)

I know we've seen this panorama taken from the Hotel Lankershim.

The architecture of the Hotel Rookwood is also interesting, with it's fairly unique side arches.
same panorama

Design wise, I'm not sure what was gained by this. Was it purely ornamental?
It seems they gave up a lot of apartment space.


As GW pointed out, the building with the arches -- the Whitmarsh Building -- was not part of the Rookwood. Both buildings are still with us.

Looking NE at 8th and Olive. The Rookwood is on the corner; to its east/right is the Hotel Bristol (originally Hotel Woodward), built 1906-7. Then a gap where the Whitmarsh Building is, then the Claud Beelman-designed Garfield Building, built 1929-30. The H-shaped building north of the Rookwood and the Bristol is 740 S. Olive (1922), now senior housing. South across 8th Street from the Rookwood and Bristol is the Commercial Exchange Building (1924), which had a slice taken out of it when Olive Street was widened in 1935:

Looking SW at the east side of the Whitmarsh Building, minus the arches:

Looking straight down:

It seems the Rookwood was a John Parkinson project:
Los Angeles Times, June 14, 1903

The Rookwood was sold not long after it was completed:
Los Angeles Herald, March 12, 1905 @ LOC --

Enter Mr. Whit(e)marsh:
Los Angeles Herald, July 30 1905 @ LOC --

Here's the beginning of our building with the aesthetically pleasing but structurally superfluous arches at 417, 419, & 419-1/2 W. 8th:
Los Angeles Times, August 27, 1905

The Whitmarsh Building was soon home to a ladies' bath:
Los Angeles Times, September 23, 1906

The Whitmarsh is listed in the 1909 LA City Directory under Furnished Rooms:

The Rookwood and Whitmarsh on the 1906 Sanborn, with "Sunshine" in between:

The Hotel Woodward was built between the Rookwood and Whitmarsh in 1906-7:
Los Angeles Times, November 12, 1906

The next two photos, seen here before, look NE at 8th and Olive and the Rookwood, Woodward, and Whitmarsh, c. 1910-13:

In 1920 the Whitmarsh was known as the Hotel Rex. The Woodward had not yet become the Bristol; you can see rd above the Rex sign in this zoomed version of a previously posted photo:

I'm sure we've seen this shot before too, but since the building at the SW corner of 8th and Olive has photobombed two of the last three pix, here it is up close in 1927:

William Reagh photographed 8th and Olive in 1979 (The Hotel Woodward had become the Hotel Bristol by 1950):

Looking NE at 8th and Olive, April 2014; the old Rookwood, now the Olive Hotel, has had entrances on 8th and on Olive sealed up:
GSV Apr 2014

East side of Olive Street; the Whitmarsh Building's right-of-way and the entrance to the Olive Hotel:
GSV Apr 2014

The Whitmarsh is now home to the Golden Gopher and the Hotel Lindy:
GSV Apr 2014
GSV Apr 2014

Getting back to the Whitmarsh/Hotel Lindy's former arches, perhaps they were removed when the now-vacant Garfield Building was built next door?
Inlewolf/Found Type --

And no wonder the Garfield Building is vacant: its lobby has this really boring green and purple marble . . . ho-hum:
Gelt Inc. --

More on the Garfield Building:

Beaudry on the Golden Gopher:

Sopas ej on the Bristol and the Gopher:

er on the Woodward/Bristol:

Priors on the Commercial Exchange Building:

HossC Jul 14, 2014 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6653250)

Have we seen the Girl's Collegiate School on NLA?

I don't think we've seen it under that name before, although the picture gives a good view of the roses which are responsible for one of the other names used for the building: Casa de Rosas. The building is still there, minus the high brick arch in the center.
Google Maps

As well as Casa de Rosas, the building is also known as the Sunshine Mission. I found three previous mentions of Casa de Rosas on NLA (all by GW!):

Moving to ground level, since the previous posts, it now looks like the building is fenced off and the first floor is boarded up (this image is dated April 2014). Despite this, the paintwork still appears to be in good condition.

The posts above cover a fair bit of the building's history, especially about its use as an early kindergarten/Froebel Institute. The text below is from a book called University Park, Los Angeles: A Brief History by Charles Epting.

caldor120la Jul 14, 2014 1:09 PM

Boy you guys are great, I was just going to ask for some photo history of 8th Street between Olive and Hill to my amazement photos were already post. Many people were happy that the Commercial Ex. was purchased I was aware that the building was altered for street construction I wondered if there were any interior photos? I'm working my way through all the postings, thanks so much for making the site possible.

3940dxer Jul 14, 2014 2:34 PM


Originally Posted by mdiederi (Post 6652153)
Recent article on the continuing saga of restoring the Dutch Chocolate Shop and other Ernest Batchelder tile installations.

Many thanks for pointing us to this excellent article. I'd been wondering what was happening with the Chocolate Shop. It sounds like Mr. Aslan is doing his best to re-open the space, despite many difficulties. I hope he succeeds.

On a separate topic, maybe someone can answer a question about Google Street View. It seems that in the new version, the view can only be rotated in 90 degree increments and not set to arbitrary "in-between" angles, like before. Or maybe there's some some hidden way to accomplish this. Does anyone know?

Also, has anyone heard anything about when Clifton's Cafeteria might re-open? Wasn't it supposed to be sometime this year? I was able to go inside a year or two ago when they opened the bakery and bar (and let people explore all the public areas) during Art Walk L.A., but not sure if they still do that. Their web site seems to have shrunk since I last saw it, far fewer photos and pages than before. I hope they are still on track.

CityBoyDoug Jul 14, 2014 4:07 PM

Bar hopping downtown in 2014

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6653467)
As GW pointed out, the building with the arches -- the Whitmarsh Building -- was not part of the Rookwood. Both buildings are still with us.

The Whitmarsh is now home to the Golden Gopher and the Hotel Lindy:
GSV Apr 2014
GSV Apr 2014

I read some current reviews of the Golden Gopher bar. Most all of them talk about the heavy pours, high prices, small glasses and friendly bartenders...a mixed bag.

A night out slumming in downtown LA? Bring at least $75 per person. Parking, drinks, tips and maybe a discount dinner.

[Personally I don't drink anymore or frequent bars, so this does not really impact me. All of that was CBD in another life.]

GaylordWilshire Jul 14, 2014 4:26 PM


Perhaps the point is that downtown isn't for slumming anymore. And I don't think $75 a night would buy much of a good dinner anywhere in town, unless maybe you don't drink...and that's apart from parking etc

A couple of prior (2010) NLA posts:

MichaelRyerson Jul 14, 2014 4:27 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6653059)

Here's the same view today.

Apparently Charlie Sheen has taken up residence.

CityBoyDoug Jul 14, 2014 9:55 PM

Drive-In's were a big deal back in 1945.

ConstructDTLA Jul 14, 2014 9:58 PM

Coincidentally I just posted some current shots of the Commercial Exchange area to my Downtown Development thread:

Chuckaluck Jul 14, 2014 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 5586563)
Yes, it does. When my wife and I were doing staircase walks last year I learned about Garvanza, and saw a few signs here and there. According to Wikipedia:

Garvanza is a neighborhood in northeast Los Angeles. It is generally considered a subdistrict of Highland Park.

It is named for the garbanzo beans that once flourished there. Garvanza was annexed by the city in 1899.[1]

The two bridges which connect Los Angeles to South Pasadena originate in Garvanza. The railroad bridge has been rebuilt twice since the early part of the last century, and the York Street bridge, one of the most picturesque to span the Arroyo Seco, was built to replace a small wooden toll bridge that became too rickety to support the ever increasing traffic between South Pasadena and Los Angeles. The toll house still exists on the South Pasadena side.

Garvanza, like neighboring Eagle Rock and Hermon, were incorporated into the city of Los Angeles very early in the 20th century. Garvanza received LA Rail service first in 1903 [1] and was one of the first parts of Los Angeles to be electrified.

The world famous Judson Studios, built in 1911, and creators of much of the remarkable stained glass that graced Craftsman and Mission structures throughout the SoCal region, are located in Garvanza at 200 South Avenue 66. They are the oldest family-run art glass company in the United States. They created many of the art glass applications and installations for Frank Lloyd Wright in California.

Garvanza, along with South Pasadena and Pasadena, is generally considered to be the birthplace of the Arts & Crafts movement in Southern California.

Here's a 1917 map that shows Garvanza and some other extinct towns including Owensmouth, Tropico, Roscoe, Bassett, and Spadra. (Spadra?)

P.S. Found the horse in about 15 seconds. ;)

Only four and a half miles from LA!

Chuckaluck Jul 14, 2014 11:18 PM

1925 Ninth and Flower Streets Totally unrecognizable today. (Was Judge Guy Bush retained?)

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