Reminds me of the late discovery that The Wizard of Oz turned from b&w to color...

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KTLA was apparently started by Paramount, so may not have shown MGM's Wizard...anyway, note the "mount" in its early logo:

https://i.postimg.cc/ncPxcnG5/ktla.jpg
http://www.earlytelevision.org/w6xyz.html

Hard Rock
 

Hard Rock on skid row was in business serving the inebriated long before there was a Hard Rock Cafe or Hotel. Hard Rock was the most popular bar on 5th Street and provided the Glasshouse Jail with most of its drunk bookings.

Thrifty ice cream plant
 

Found this snippet of an article from the Los Angeles Evening Herald and Express from September 14, 1940.

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Los Angeles Evening Herald and Express



And here it is today (915 N Mansfield Ave):

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Season 4 of M*A*S*H ended in February 1976 with an episode called 'The Interview'. It contained newsreel style interviews with the main characters in black and white. After the color opening credits, there's a voice-over stating "The following is in black and white." I guess the network didn't want millions of viewers trying to "fix" their color TVs.

Cool! Nice to know there's someone on here who is the same age as I---fellow Gen-Xer, and someone I assume also graduated high school in 1988. :tup:


Yeah; in the mid-1980s, there was a "Moonlighting" episode that featured two of the main characters' dream sequences both shot in black-and-white, that were homages to 1940s film noir, one being done in the glossy MGM style (Maddie/Cybill Shepherd's dream sequence), the other being done in the grittier Warner Bros. style (David/Bruce Willis' dream sequence). The episode opened with an introduction by Orson Welles, saying that there was nothing wrong with your TV, or something. From what I learned later, the episode was expensive to produce, because by the mid-1980s, black-and-white film stock was rare, and it was even rarer to find a good black-and-white cinematographer. The network originally wanted to shoot the episode in color and just chroma down to black-and-white for broadcast, but the producers were afraid that in reruns, the whole episode would just be shown in color.

BTW "Moonlighting" was my favorite show when I was in high school.

Below is the episode, minus Orson Welles' intro:
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Hmm, it seems slightly sped up. Oh well. :P

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my personal collect

That's my aunt's home east of downtown Los Angeles, Jan 1949....that's her at the right side. Snow was everywhere....we also made little snowmen.
I lived in this house for the year 1947 while our new home was being built in San Gabriel Village.

https://i.redd.it/2c1qb9bicts61.jpg

Any thoughts on where this could be? This is photo of a relative of a relative, he died in Los Angeles in 1926, so likely the photo is from the late 1910s to early 1920s. I'm guessing the photo was taken in Boyle Heights/East LA area (note the Hebrew lettering on the far left).

I don't really think there are enough clues in the photo, but perhaps someone has seen a similar one before to help identify the area. If not, please enjoy this 100-year old photo of Los Angeles!

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A speculative punt but here goes.


On the window frame what I make to be the number 1702 is scrawled.


https://i.imgur.com/nwGxhGd.jpg


Which leads to the closest applicable grocers I could find to Boyle Heights in the time frame.


https://i.imgur.com/xWaMdRd.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


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LAX
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2a69d9_c_d.jpg

The iconic LAX Theme structure. I had dinner in the round restaurant in the 1960s. If I recall correctly, it was salmon with red caviar.

The Encounter Restaurant closed for business in December 2013 with no future plans to reopen.

The Observation Deck may be open on the weekends....there may be a Coke machine for the thirsty.

This is great! I spoke to 102-year-old Raymond Borun, the son of Thrifty's founder, last fall and here's what he said when I asked about this building.

“I don’t recall the beginning. They (Borun brothers) had a plant in West Hollywood and that was just a single piece of property and that was the sole source of the original (ice cream) and then eventually they moved the manufacturing, making it somewhere in the east side of Los Angeles (El Monte in 1976) and I inherited the building, the original ice cream plant, after my father’s death. We had inherited it with my cousins. We decided we probably should sell it. It was old brick type of, original type of construction of those days. Definitely not earthquake (safe) and when we put it up to sale and the agent said ‘you know the problem is when they defrost this building its gonna fall apart’ because it was frozen for (many years). At any rate we did sell it I don’t remember where it was. I don’t know if it was torn down.”

see below. Is there a way to delete posts?

^^^

Two other clues: the Hebrew letters visible on the store glass window are (right to left) a Kaf and a Shin, which probably are the beginning of the word Kosher.

Also visible is the name __igley's. But a quick CD search came up empty. I would vote strongly for Boyle Heights, though.

I love this image which I came across a while ago
https://i.imgur.com/xSghoxQ.jpg?1https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/l...les/index.html

It inspired me to take this shot of my Caddy there.
https://i.imgur.com/rvuxHEu.jpg?1
Obviously the area is far less wide open these days so I had to get creative with the framing. There are multi-story parking structures all around now. You can see the space age street light seen in the first shot through the vent window in my photo.

I <3 Thrifty Chocolate Chip ice cream.
It's not a super premium ice cream, but it's a taste of childhood.

Wow that's a great first person account! Always love hearing people's stories of how it was back in the day here in LA! And the building is still standing, even after defrosting it!

Thanks for your sleuthing input, Noir. But I wonder why an address would have been written in pencil(?) on the wall, as opposed to some more substantial signage. And it looks like there is something else written below this, partially obscured by the man- maybe some graffiti from local punks, who the shop owner is staring down and shaking his fist at from the doorway?? :haha:

Kind of looks like it says "17 oz"?

Looks like the bottom of address numbers above the Snider's sign.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/gJOUgn.png

Re: __igley's.
Wrigley's gum used "After Every Meal" as a slogan in the 20s, so it looks like just an advertising sign.
Do we know the name of the gentleman in the photo? If we can find out where he lived maybe that will offer a clue.
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Bridgeport Telegram
5/12/24

I wanted to point out that three years ago (already?) I took the L.A. Conservancy Tour of the historic Earl Carroll's Theatre and it was pointed out that this 1985 Moonlight episode was mostly filmed there. The episode is worth a look for that! (IMDB says the episode cost two million dollars to produce.)

If anyone wants to visit or revisit my two posts about the tour (with links to myriad photo sites and videos of the place and pertinent NLA posts, here they are:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=45703
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=45704


Also -- I found a youtube link to the Moonlight episode with the Welles intro. Running time 47:40.

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Great shot--except for the radials, you'd never know it wasn't the fall of 1962....


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LAT Oct 28, 1962

In the 2nd column at the bottom of the ad we see the Allen Co. sales location. Everyday I used to ride or walk by their showroom filled with a collection of gleaming Cadillacs. One day I went inside and asked for the current brochure.
The manager said ''sure'' and handed me the 1957 Edition. Pure eye candy.

Thanks. Radials and LED bulbs are about the only modern upgrades I made. Although it hardly shows, that's the original black license plate there. I fought the DMV for years to get them back on the car and eventually gave up. I hated the white plates. A new law making that process much easier took effect a few years ago and they finally went back on.

Any information on "Marketville"?
 

Ran across this Marketville ad in the Los Angeles Herald and Express from December 10, 1941. It is located where Cedars Sinai sits. Rendering looks like permanent buildings rather than temporary stalls. I have honestly never heard of this nor seen photos. Just curious if anyone has any information?

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Los Angeles Herald and Express

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Apple Maps

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Thanks for this. There is strangely little mention of Marketville (and I had never heard of it)!

https://i.postimg.cc/L814p1f1/Market...AT-41-5-25.jpg
LA Times, 5/25/1941.


https://i.postimg.cc/k5PJXgFh/Market...dustry1951.jpg
From the House of Representatives' Hearings on Un-American Activities Communist Infiltration of Hollywood Motion-Picture Industry, 1951.

So far I haven't been able to find any address or census info for the man in the photo. I only know that he arrive in California circa 1907, and he died in 1926 at the Kaspare Cohn Hospital, Belvedere, Los Angeles County. The Kaspare Cohn hospital would later become Cedars-Sinai, and Belvedere is located in what is now East Los Angeles. So the East LA/Boyle heights is a reasonable guess.

Have we seen this particular horse trough here at NLA before?

It was one of many funded by that Carnegie of horse troughs, Hermon Lee Ensign. Benton Boulevard (which by the way, being modest, I had originally intended to be the name of the main drag of my subdivision on the west side of Westlake Park, with "Wilshire" intended as the only the cross street at the east side of Sunset Park...I decided to switch them...but I digress).

An item in the LAT of Jan 19, 1927, reported that the trough wasn't operating at that time, which isn't, of course, surprising, given the replacement of horses for horsepower.

The question is, does any Norisher know what happened to this trough? Benton Blvd, running between 6th and 7th, became the southerly extension of Lafayette Park Place in 1928. The apparent site of the trough, in the triangular southerly extension of what is now Lafayette Park, seems now to be a construction staging area.

Among a number scattered around the country, an Ensign fountain still stands in Central Park in Pasadena (at Raymond and Dayton) Apparently the first in SoCal, it was dedicated in 1905.


https://i.postimg.cc/htJRWsMW/horsetrough1-bmp.jpg
Herald June 4, 1908

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How Car Culture Shaped The Crazy, Cool Architecture Of Midcentury LA

https://laist.com/news/arts-and-ente...-midcentury-la

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The Dr. Conger mentioned in the caption is, I believe, the same gent who funded a large drinking fountain and statue of Ben Franklin in San Francisco's Washington Park. He was an ardent prohibitionist and the fountain had spigots for "Vichy Water", "Congress Water" etc. that in fact were fed by one pipe from the City's water system. The fountain and statue are still there but the bogus spigots were turned off decades ago.

Communist activities at Marketville?! Maybe that's what did it in!

It is bizarre that a place that attracted crowds of people in a central location would have scarce evidence of its own existence?!

Here's an aerial view of Marketville from December 22, 1941, eleven days after it's gala opening.


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mil.library.ucsb.edu


By 1944/45 the Bert M. Morris Company had moved in and converted buildings for the manufacture of plastics based office equipment.


I could not find any other pictures so did a rejig of your newspaper shot in lieu. :)


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Los Angeles Herald and Express

Update: I found this tidbit

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https://gramho.com/explore-hashtag/GilmoreField

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mystery fire brigade, Los Angeles. c.1880s?


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eBay


I'm not sure what the seller means by a daguerreotype frame but the frame is a nice beat up example of folk art.


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Let's take a closer look at this interesting scene.

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At first I thought the emblem on their uniforms might be a nozzle but now I'm thinking the number 7.


a bit larger.
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Usually firemen pose in front of their fire station but this group appears to be standing in front of a residence. :shrug:


eBay

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Daguerreotype would normally refer to the picture. Here's a description from www.daguerreobase.org:

The daguerreotype was the first commercially successful photographic process (1839-1860) in the history of photography. Named after the inventor, Louis Jacques Mandé Daguerre, each daguerreotype is a unique image on a silvered copper plate.

In contrast to photographic paper, a daguerreotype is not flexible and is rather heavy.The daguerreotype is accurate, detailed and sharp. It has a mirror-like surface and is very fragile. Since the metal plate is extremely vulnerable, most daguerreotypes are presented in a special housing. Different types of housings existed: an open model, a folding case, jewelry…

Maybe they frame originally came from one of these images.

Also, dag. images sometimes took a few minutes to expose the plate, so people had to sit as still as possible. So some images can be blurry, esp. with kids who tend to fidget. I could be wrong, but weren't dag. images still taken into the 1870s? I do believe most or all of the Lincoln and Grant etc. photos were dags, but I could be wrong. Did Matthew Brady take. dags, or by that time (1860s, 1870s) were they no longer used? The process name "tintype" comes to mind. Is that a type of dag., or a later process that produced a negative image? When were the first negative photographs taken? I don't believe the Kodak film & box cameras became available until the 1880s at the earliest. Thanks Hoss.

Thanks guys. I think the seller is full of beans. I'm familiar with a daguerreotype but not a "daguerreotype frame".


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Fire Dept. article, Los Angeles Herald, December 8, 1899.

:cheers:

This is engine company 7 at Maple and Twenty-Fourth circa 1900
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https://www.lafire.com/stations/FS00...88-1915-hd.htm

And today:
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googlemaps

Status of Fire Dept. Engine Company Locations at the beginning of 1891 (just to have this available for easy consultation):

https://i.postimg.cc/3J1G4j5M/Fire-Her-1891-1-1-E.jpg
LA Herald, 1/1/1891

Alarm box locations:

https://i.postimg.cc/W14kMDTd/Fire-Her-1891-1-1-F.jpg
LA Herald, 1/1/1891

The eBay listing says "The verso has the identification of the Los Angeles Hose Company 7."

This page puts Hose Company 7 at the southwest corner of Cahuenga and Selma. No resemblance to the house in the photo.

There's also East Los Angeles Hose Company no. 7 "located on Truman Street near Downey Avenue". (From this post by Ethereal Reality in 2017, we learn that Downey Ave. became north Broadway, and Truman Street became Ave. 23.

UPDATE

This KCET article above referenced the Los Angeles City Directory, but the address I found for East Los Angeles Hose Company No. 7 is different.
https://i.postimg.cc/MTFGyzCT/1886-7-CD-P103.png
It's page 103 of the 1886-7 Los Angeles City directory at the bottom.

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Good catch Mackerm. The key word here is obviously Hose.

Per your LINK: .. If I'm reading the information correctly, the (then) volunteer fire dept., shown in the eBay albumen, didn't have a fire station until 1910 which might explain why the firemen are posed in front of a house.


When the Los Angeles Fire Department took over in 1910 the hose company was housed in an abandoned church. (shown below) -supposedly

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lafd



BUT, and it's a big BUT, if you go to the lafd-hose-7 page and look closely at the five photographs, the one interior photograph doesn't match the others.



The interior photograph is obviously the abandoned church.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/6504/EpMJC9.gif


As you can see, the shape of the roof is clearly different and the church windows are the giveaway. They don't appear in any of the four exteriors views.



Of course, none of this solves the Victorian house shown in the $200 mystery photograph. . . but it's interesting none-the-less.




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That's quite the list odinthor! Thanks for posting it.

I'm trying to find an example of a 1890s circa alarm box but I'm not having much luck.


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e_r just happened to drive the Googlemobile past this building a few years ago. A brief discussion followed.

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Ranging about for fire alarm pictures or data, I ran across this interesting item:


https://i.postimg.cc/yNfSPFn2/Fire-Her-1900-8-30.jpg
Los Angeles Herald, 8/30/1900.


Another article of a few days later also refers to the damage to the City Hall bell tower arising from the ringing of Great Tom.

(The City Electrician gets into the act via his activities in wiring the more up-to-date alarms into the system.)

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los angeles herald

The reporter from the Herald pointed out that the city would have saved $52 if the bell had been broken up in the tower and sold for junk
as opposed to selling it to a fire apparatus dealer (A.J. Coffee).....The reason: It cost the city $140 to lower the bell from the tower.

When the reporter confronted Fire Commissioner Frankenfield he pretty much said, "Shut the f*ck up".

What he actually said was:.."What is everybody's business is nobody's business."




You can read the details here.

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This will keep ya'll busy for awhile.



It's the Los Angeles Daily Police Bulletin for Aug. 13, 1941.

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Rediscovered in one of my old files.

A spy might have stolen the Lockheed supervisor's badge. . . . I'd look into that one right away.

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Remember this post from a month ago?

Look what it now says on that link where E_R first discovered it: annetgelink

After several NLA sleuths discovered exactly where and when this photo was taken, I sent a message off to the gallery link and told them it had been determined where this photo was actually taken. I offered to send them all the info if they wanted it. They then sent my email off to Andrea, who was Robby Müller's wife. I found that out one week ago when she sent me an email which read, in part:

The gallery has forwarded your message to me, Robby's wife.
Thank you very much! I believe it immediately.
With this photo, Robby had left almost no info except '1980's' and I couldn't link it to a stay of him for a special film either.
He took indeed many polaroids in Austin when he stayed there to shoot 'Honeysuckle Rose’, only this photo was not in the box with the others he took there.
He probably later wrote 1980's himself on the box this photo was kept in.

Anyway, I really appreciate your information, because for me it is often a quest to find the right information.
What is the other information you have about this location?

Best wishes,
Andrea

I then sent her all the pertinent info and photos as to where this photo was taken and how the forum sleuths pieced it all together.

A couple days ago I received some more correspondence which reads, in part:

That was absolutely delightful to read!
I also went to the NLA thread on the internet to read even more about all the details of the sleuthing.
I also asked the gallery to change the title.
So many thanks to the sleuths!
Thanks again!
Andrea

So everyone who posted about E_R's original post with thoughts, queries, musings, guidance and, ultimately, the two final photo discoveries from riichkay and newcomer RyeRyeLA: everyone give yourselves a big round of applause and a pat on the back!

This is a very delayed response. I was going to post a photo of this particular Carl's Restaurant and while doing a search to see if any had been posted before, I came across this NLA post from 2013.
At least it is stated in the USC sports blog where I came across the photo that this is that particular Carl's. I'm having trouble seeing Carl's on that sign, instead I see a sombrero. In the '80s & '90's that spot on Flower & Figueroa was occupied by a restaurant called Margarita Jones. It has since been redeveloped.

Here you go:

https://i.imgur.com/MlDeySz.png?1Dated 1941
https://insideusc.blog/2021/05/21/if...es-column-110/

https://i.imgur.com/XjJN4jY.png?1

"Since 1931" would mean it was there for the first L.A. Olympiad.

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Here's a close-up of the sign from a different photo.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...CarlsSign1.jpg
Detail of image in USC Digital Library

And here's the whole picture. I'm pretty sure we've seen it before, but several of the posts I found had missing images.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...CarlsFull1.jpg
USC Digital Library

I think this is the same Carl's that I posted back in 2014.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4b6393aa_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...70d3ea0c_z.jpg
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“A carhop stands in between two cars in front of Carl's drive-in. Palm trees flank the "It's better food" sign. A banner is visible that reads "Carl's invites you to meet and hear Eddie Horton." "Foutain service", "chicken" and "broiled steak sandwiches" are the specialties, as evidenced by the signage. Circa 1930s. Located at 3760 S. Figueroa.”

Security Pacific National Bank Photo Collection/ Los Angeles Public Library

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It looks like Carl's was doing the palm tree thing before these guys

https://i.imgur.com/DI641U8.jpg?2