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A mystery building. This color slide was listed on eBay a couple of weeks ago. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/thdurM.jpg eBay Does anyone recognize it? Here's how it was listed on eBay. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/Gz8RMh.jpg . |
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I'm a bit confused by this photograph that just turned up on eBay https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/yCOg1O.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/65wgMy.jpg But this street is much too wide to be Ferguson Alley. Here's the complete photograph. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/NvDhyu.jpg eBay . |
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https://i.postimg.cc/gJfMZGBQ/Judge-John-Aiso-St.jpg gsv but, researching around rather quickly, I can't find anything which either supports or denies this. And if in the distance those are not hills but just a shadowy big building . . . then never mind. That one thing I first took to be a street tree . . . but it's more like a sign which has been festooned with branches. Most odd. The building in the mid-distance (beyond the curve) in the old photo looks like a gas station, with an attached pergola (?) over where the pumps are. Lots of guessing! :shrug: |
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I'm surprised that I haven't been able to find the most distinction building in the photograph. ..............................................................This one. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/WSf6Jt.jpg I've even tried to find it with this aerial. (that we've seen before) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/ImZO2A.jpg calhistoricalsociety Description: “Birdseye view of Los Angeles looking east from the City Hall tower at a proposed site for Union Station. Alameda Street can be seen cutting diagonally across the frame left to right. The buildings east of Alameda would be razed for Union Station,” ca. 1931. California Historical Society Collection at the University of Southern California, Title Insurance and Trust / C. C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860–1960 |
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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...01e12cfc_h.jpg HDL The distinctive building is on the right, utility pole in right place.....Having trouble locating Apablasa (sp correct) on the 1910 Baist map....thought I knew where it was. Help! Here's a view from Alameda.......... we'd be looking toward Union Station today I think. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a53a3513_k.jpg LAT and looking SW from Juan St. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3f1a67e3_k.jpg HDL |
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building in your red box and the one to its east are on the left in this image, and that tree is in the distance on the right above the break in the sidewalk: https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...no_c._1933.jpg 448851 @ Huntington Digital Library In the distance, above the blurry pedestrian, the building with the writing ("SEE ON CO") is on the west side of Alameda. In the aerial photo you posted, I think I see that building at the left edge, about 1/3 of the way down. Two other photos of that block of Apablasa . . . Looking west from Juan Street: 448859 Looking east toward Juan Street: 448867 Oh and here is a story about old Chinatown with an interactive map that I found very helpful. P.S. You beat me to it, ScottyB! |
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https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds I believe this is Apalabasa St. looking west in 1911, with a good view of the "distinctive building"....image from a post here: https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...54#post9449754 The only puzzlement is the apparent curvature of the street around to the left in e_r's original post....Apalabasa certainly appears dead straight here and in Scotty's photo. |
Garden of Allah Hotel model scan superimposed over former site at the southwest corne
Recently, I did an on-camera interview for a documentary about some of Marilyn Monroe’s effects found in a public storage facility in the mini mall on the former site of the Garden of Allah Hotel. I mentioned that there was a scale model of the hotel, and gave the filmmakers the details of the guy who has it. A couple of days ago, the cinematographer emailed me to say that they scanned the model using a special camera and have superimposed the image they took using a drone they sent over what is currently a construction site. I can honestly say that in the 15 years I’ve been researching and writing about this place, it’s the first time it felt real to me. Pretty amazing, huh?!
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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ed674cef_c.jpg but in the 1933 aerial you can see the inset area where the ebay slide was taken (center) (rotated 90 deg cw from above) https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d4c079f7_k.jpg |
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Oh my! Apablasa St. it is....Thanks ScottyB and Flywedge. You two nailed it :) ..& thanks to everyone else helped. I appreciate it. I don't recall if we have seen this glass slide before on nla. Unknown photographer, "Young store clerk sitting in front of shops selling poultry and clothing, Old Chinatown, Los Angeles" (ca. 1900) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/AOcgKS.jpg hyperallergic/huntington At first, I thought the lad was resting on an upside-down ricksaw but I think it's just a cart. Here's a closer look. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/c32uYa.jpg Note the odd location of the lone lightbulb. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7WaU5k.jpg detail I wonder if the sign on the right is the name of the store - - - - - - > . |
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Per Wikipedia, Cayetano Apablasa was very early settler and carretería in Old Los Angeles; his seven acre orchard was just south of the Plaza, and would eventually be subdivided into the Chinatown neighborhood we have been looking at.
(I'm sure odinthor could provide a vastly richer portrait of Cayetano). At any rate there is this mention: The family built what was believed to be the city's first frame house but it was moved in 1933 to make room for what was then Union Passenger Terminal, the nation's newest train depot when it opened in 1937–38. The Apablasa family was also responsible for Los Angeles' first subdivision, when late in the last century it sold land to Chinese residents who built the first Chinatown. An "Apablasa Street" once ran through the Chinese quarter. Here is the house, shuttered and having seen better days even in 1885.....must have been built in the '60's. I wonder what ever became of it? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d682140e_b.jpg LAPL I believe this is it center frame in 1933 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ac04a3e4_b.jpg OK, climbing out of the rabbit hole now.... |
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Martin, are there any detailed photo records of the "Garden of Allah" court apartments/hotel taken during their existance? The model looks pretty good, for the general layout. I guess when Lytton bought the place to tear it down for his savings bank building, he had the model built. I wonder if Lytton or someone else photographed the entire place, including the gardens, and the interiors if the buildings? I saw your previous work on this, including the Nazimova Society. You are the reigning expert on the Garden of Allah. Are the detailed plat maps still available, showing the complete location and floor plans of the buildings, pool, and courtyard/open space/garden layout when Nazimova built it in the 1920s? In other words, could the Garden of Allah be rebuilt somewhere exactly as it existed during its glory days in the 1920s-1940s, when stars and literary luminaries like F. Scott Fitzgerald and Dorothy Parker lived there? I recall that Frank Gehry was interested in building a development inspired by the G. of A. What became of his plans? On hold? Thanks for your work on this. Too bad the model that Lytton had made isn't publcally available. Lytton tore the place down for his savings and loan but left us a model. Now Lytton Savings is gone as is the Garden of Allah. Well, the Chateau Marmont is still there. If the Garden was too, sure it would still be buzzing with stars and 100% rented out like the Marmont. Such history. When they were in Hollywood writing for the movies, practically the entire Algonquin Round Table luminaries stayed there..Parker, Woolcott, Benchley etc. Also Fitzgerald, Hemingway and I believe Falkner, and many of the big stars in the films. Garbo, Dietrich and all the rest.The place reeked with history. They tore the Richfield Tower down, the Garden of Allah and many others. Hopefully we lose no more landmarks. Build around (the landmarks), don't tear down. My motto. |
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Who, me? (Thanks, ScottyB!) My quick entry for him in the notes I keep: Apablasa, Cayetano April 12, 1847, born; April 13, 1847, baptized at Plaza church; father, Jose Juan Apablasa (born in Chile ca. 1811-1811, to L.A. by 1836, living as an innkeeper; died 1863); 1850, present in L.A.; 1860, present in L.A.; 1870, present in Wilmington district as a wheelwright with savings of $1,500 and real estate valued at $8,000; January 30, 1874, married Concepcion Carrasco at Plaza church; 1883, “C. Apablasa, who has a vineyard on Alameda street, opposite Marchessault, has eight tons of Mission grapes to the acre. Some of the bunches weighed seven pounds” (L.A. Times, October 30, 1883); 1889, “C. Apablasa, of West Bonnie Brae, is quite ill at his residence on Grand View avenue, between Ninth and Tenth” (L.A. Times, 10/10/1889); November 14, 1889, died. :cheers: |
MT, I liked that photo you posted; the Garden of Allah overlay. What documentary is this about MM artifacts being found at that location? I haven't heard or read anything about that.
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Mystery location(s) The following three 'street scene' snapshots were just listed on eBay. (they're being sold separately) #1 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/DBzcu9.jpg eBay #2 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/TYDbrz.jpg eBay #3 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/bVHciL.jpg eBay Obviously, the last photograph has the best clues but where, pray tell, is Belvedere Gardens?....:shrug: . |
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The Belvedere Gardens Market was at 4831 Whittier Blvd. https://i.imgur.com/CjmwLU0.jpg rescarta.lapl.org Nowdays it's the Numero Uno Market. https://i.imgur.com/tOFwkXr.jpg GSV The Thrifty Store in the first Ebay picture was on the adjacent corner at 4901 Whittier Blvd. https://i.imgur.com/vbRgEQ7.jpg facebook.com |
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Thanks odinthor and Noir Noir. I appreciate your help. :)...Good eye, Martin Pal. . Here's a much older image of the Belvedere Gardens Market. (circa.1938) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/Qwzv56.jpg calisphere . |
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Okay, so to answer some questions:
No, I've never seen any detailed floor plans of the GOA. Back in 1926, when the place was being converted from an estate to a hotel, would the developers have had to submit those plans to the city? Or could they have done whatever they wanted? The closest thing I've got to any of that is the map I've attached below. The doco about MM's artifacts: I don't really know much about it other than they were discovered in a storage unit that was in a facility that was under the Lytton bank on the GOA site which had to be emptied when they tore down the entire mini mall to make way for the Frank Gehry project. The Gehry project is underway now. "Inspired by the GOA" is overstating it, other than he's put in a a lot of garden/greenspace in his design. You can see more here: http://www.8150sunset.com/ The model of the GOA was commissioned by Bart Lytton when he tore down the (by then rather ramshackle hotel) to put up his bank branch and motion picture museum. You can see photos of the museum here: https://martinturnbull.com/2016/05/0...set-blvd-1962/ The model is to scale and reflects how the GOA looked in the 1950s. It originally stood under a domed pergola on the corner of Sunset and Crescent Heights, then later moved inside the bank, then later given away to the hairdresser in the mini mall, who cleaned it up. He let me come around and photograph it, which you can see here: https://martinturnbull.wordpress.com...l-scale-model/ https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...of-Allah-1.jpg Quote:
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It's great to see the Garden of Allah on the Sanborn map, Martin Turnbull. I happened upon a photograph that might be new to NLA. (I don't remember them. . .but, then again, my memory sucks) This is supposedly the only photograph of the Garden of Allah under construction. (c.1926) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/MfFnTX.jpg westhollywoodhistory The lady in the photo is believed to be Nazimova's business manage, Jean Adams. Here's a closer look. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/KZBD9t.jpg detail She's blowing her nose because of all the cement dust. The photograph is from an online exhibit, 'A Place Called Garden of Allah' by Jon Ponder at westhollywoodhistory. . |
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I don't remember this photograph either. "The Garden of Allah's tiny, dark bar was replaced with this larger, noisier and more modern room."...(no date given) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/tRZ66J.jpg westhollywoodhistory So where -in the scheme of things- was this large room? :shrug: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/268ZIh.jpg westhollywoodhistory If it turns out that we have seen these photographs just pretend that we haven't. :whistle: . |
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Yes that's a photo taken during the Garden's transformation from a movie star estate to a hotel. The enigmatic woman in black is probably Jean Adams. It was Jean along with her husband who approached Nazimova with the idea of turning her estate into a hotel, thus providing her with a steady cash flow. Nazimova spent most of 1926 touring in theater so the only woman likely to be on the building site would be Jean Adams.
That link to the West Hollywood History website takes you to Jon Ponder's definitive history of the hotel. In the early 1970s, gossip columnist Sheilah Graham wrote a history of the place (because she was there a lot when she was dating F. Scott Fitzgerald in the late 1930s). But she wrong it from memory 30 years after the event and apparently nobody thought to fact-check her and just published the book. The result is an interesting but unreliable history of the place. Jon's lengthy account is by far the best way to learn the history of this famously infamous hotel. Quote:
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As early as 1930, as the depression was underway: Rendering of proposed buildings to replace the Garden of Allah (June 16, 1930) https://www.westhollywoodhistory.org...drawings-1.jpg When Bart Lytton, CEO of Lytton Savings and Loan, purchased it in 1959 his original plans: Lytton told the Times that he planned to relocate his S&L’s headquarters from the suburbs to the Garden of Allah site. This meant he would raze the hotel and replace it with a modern bank building. The hotel’s parking lot in the intersection of Sunset and Crescent Heights would be transformed into a plaza and park. An office tower and low-rise row of ground level shops and offices would come later. LINK At least my complaint about tall buildings on that site was deferred for decades. ___ Lots of interesting things to read about. In a section about the opening months of the place in 1927[HERE], it says: Over the course of the hotel’s first 16 months in business, from January 1927 to April 1928, the Garden was the subject of more than 30 mentions in the Times society columns. It mentions many Hollywood names and other famous patrons who were not "movie people" like "polo players Tommy Hitchcock and William Tevis." I guess because the word famous was used, and I had not heard of these two before as I'm not up on my polo history, I looked them up. They are well-known in the polo world. Here's a photo of them not long after their mention of staying at the Garden of Allah: https://kihm2.files.wordpress.com/20...1929.jpg?w=660 On the right side of the trophy, Tommy Hitchcock is all buttoned up. In his day, he was simply the best, and his presence on the San Carlos team speaks volumes about the patron’s desire to win. Of him, one writer said, “No one who has not seen a ten-goal player play fifteen-goal polo can imagine the stark power of this youth.” In a literary coincidence, Hitchcock was most probably the model for polo-playing Tom Buchanan in F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby. (A Gatsby connection?! -- Fitzgerald had lived at the GOA.) All the way to the right is William “Willie” Tevis, a Californian who had played on teams with Moore before. Tevis, whose grandfather was a founder of the Pony Express, lived for horses; his ranch had 18 stables, with stalls for 8 horses in each. I have previously heard before of the man second to left, Averill Harriman, most notably because of his diplomacy work during WWII. He inherited $100 million from his father, a railroad baron, and had one of the best strings of ponies in polo. After Yale and a successful business career, he served as U.S. Secretary of Commerce, Governor of New York, and U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union and Great Britain. If any of this is of further interest: A Tale of One Polo Photo https://kihm2.wordpress.com/2010/01/...ne-polo-photo/ Horses and Polo in Their DNA http://www.winecountrypoloclub.com/tevis.html |
Great work on "Allah" by our twin Martins, Turnbull and Pal, thanks for the informative and entertaining comments.
And re: e_r's photo of the Allah's bar, oh man is that place gorgeous....I would have haunted that room back in the day.... |
Thanks for catching the error. I'll let Jon know. He'll appreciate it as he's scrupulous when it comes to getting the facts as accurate as possible.
Although in perusing a few sections of this site I did notice a mistake in Jon's text: Gloria Stuart appeared in a dozen or more films at Universal in the 1930's, notably appearing opposite Claude Rains in “The Invisible Man.” She’s best remembered today, however, for winning an Oscar at age 87 for her role in “Titanic.” [Link HERE.] |
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Here's a glimpse inside one of remodeled villas at the Garden of Allah. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/tAuyOy.jpg westhollywoodhistory "A woman in an evening gown relaxes in a villa of the Garden of Allah during the hotel's farewell party, August 1959" Does the mystery woman look familiar to anyone? https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/6SZ027.jpg Link . |
While looking into the matter of Belvedere Gardens, I found myself mystified by references to it being developed from a "Rancho Laguna," and cudgeled my pre-Yankee-era-Los-Angeles brains to recall any such rancho of that name in that area.
As it turns out, "The land in the City of Commerce was originally a portion of Antonio Maria Lugo's Rancho San Antonio, a Spanish land grant. Parts of the Rancho were sold in the late 1850s, primarily to Abel Stearns, an early pioneer of Los Angeles who amassed vast land holdings. The properties Stearns acquired in the Commerce area were named Rancho Laguna" (from Los Angeles Revisited https://losangelesrevisited.blogspot...-commerce.html). Cattle were still being herded on the land that became Belvedere Gardens so late as 1921: https://i.postimg.cc/SxPCd2RJ/Belvedere.jpg LA Times, 8/21/1921 The article is not strictly correct in stating that "Rancho Laguna was one of the old Spanish land grants"; it was part of Rancho San Antonio, the original nub of which was said to have been granted in 1810 (in the Spanish era) by Jose Argüello to Antonio Maria Lugo, with further additions granted in 1823 and 1838 in the Mexican era. Rancho Laguna didn't exist as an entity of that name until Stearns bought the acreage in the late 1850s. Mrs. De Baker, referred to in the article, had of course been Stearns' widow (and was the daughter of Juan Bandini). |
One of my Garden of Allah holy grails is to identify that party-goer stretch out on the sofa. My other GOA holy grail was to find the scale model. I NEVER thought I'd ever find it, but lo and behold, it surfaced, so you never know luck in this big city of a thousand stories...
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Barbara Steele comes to mind. That was interesting information on the Rancho Laguna-Belvedere Gardens connection, odinthor. Thanks for posting it. :) (to be honest I need to read it again to fully understand it) I happened upon this photograph during our conversation on Belvedere Gardens. "View of Ysidora Street at Belvedere Gardens in the Whittier Boulevard District, Whittier, ca.1924" https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/C3umfZ.jpg calisphere The problem is, I can't find a Ysidora Street anywhere near this area. I even checked numerous city directories from the 1890s. Lastly, here's a blurry look at the heart-shaped sign. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/VFKg2L.jpg I've been squinting my eyes but . . . . . |
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Hmmm. It looks as if the photo description got it slightly wrong. It was Ysidora Avenue. However: https://i.postimg.cc/qvfSDLR3/Ysidora-Ave-CD-33.jpg 1933 CD |
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Speculative punt with the actress Patricia Medina. She was seemingly one of the last residents of the Garden of Allah. https://i.imgur.com/5RReB2U.jpg Google Books - The Castle on Sunset By Shawn Levy She was also at the final Garden shindig along with Jack Larson and Leslie Caron. https://i.imgur.com/m05g8A9.jpg gq-magazine.co.uk The picture of her on the right is from 1959, the year of the last party. https://i.imgur.com/6JSBIQX.jpg imdb.com She could lounge on a sofa with the best of them. https://i.imgur.com/VMlJeSE.jpg worthpoint.com |
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Something to add to the Belvedere Gardens miscellanea. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/55julP.jpg lacountylibrary Fourteen people pose for a photo in front of the Belvedere Garens Public Library, circa 1926. . |
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Here, under its newer name Oakford, is the former Ysidora Ave.:
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Before we leave Belvedere Gardens, please indulge me in my mentioning these two mighty palm trees in the 600 block of South Kern Avenue.
https://i.postimg.cc/L4ZBNDBp/Belved...Kern-Palms.jpg gsv They overtop all other plantings in the area. It appears to me from their size to be very likely that these trees predate the development of Belvedere Gardens, and so perhaps indicate where the Rancho Laguna ranch house or headquarters was (the structure they at present share the lot with, though, is not of that age). Those interested in the preservation of L.A.'s historical trees might want to check into the history of these two palms. :tup: |
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Here's a look inside Nazimova's mansion before it became the Garden of Allah. (or did she always call it the Garden of Allah?) Picture Show...January 1st, 1921 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/y4XZ5N.jpg . |
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This slide of Hollywood Blvd. was briefly on eBay a week or so ago. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/cmRoHq.jpg eBay It appears the building across the street is being remodeled. . |
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A first for NLA. We've seen many vintage accident photographs on the thread but not one where an accident is actually happening. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/KmZ8NF.jpg eBay https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/QJV5hx.jpg For search purposes:...Action Photo...349 E. 64th St....LA....Th 3356 . |
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Issues with navigating this forum
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I apologize for posting this in the wrong place but couldn't find the right place. I tried to send this directly to the moderator but the mailbox was full. I have slowly but surely been navigating every page of your (wonderful!) Skyscraper page. It has so far taken a couple of months and I am up to page 1763. However, every time I try to go to the next page, my virus ware prevents me from getting any further and giving the following warning: Deceptive site ahead Attackers on movies.hollywoodrepublican.net may trick you into doing something dangerous like installing software or revealing your personal information (for example, passwords, phone numbers, or credit cards). Learn more No idea what that means, because I have NEVER been to movies.hollywoodrepublican (Sounds dreadful!) So, when I skip the next page or two, I get the same warning on every page. So I skipped to the last page, registered so I could contact you, and wonder what to do now? Is this a recurring problem for everyone? I used to live in LA in the 1970s, and find your sight fascinating. Thank you! |
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Alla Nazimova from Yalta, Crimea called her mansion and later hotel conversion "The Garden of Alla" after herself as long as she owned it. The hotel villas were added to supplement her declining income in the mid 1920s, after a couple of money losing film ventures. The hotel became a big hit with Hollywood stars, writers, directors and other creative types soon after opening, since it guarded privacy and did not employ house detectives. Annoying autograph hounds and tourists not staying there were discouraged. Party Central for the residents and guests. The "h" was added to Alla after she sold it to Central Holding Corp. in 1930. Nazimova moved back in 1938 and rented Villa 24, where she mostly lived until her death. In any event, the name "Garden of Alla/Allah" came from (and punned) a work of romantic fiction written in 1904 by Robert Hichens, later adapted for film (1916, 1927, 1936). I don't believe Nazimova had any relation to any of these film adaptations, but I wonder if she did a stage adaptation earlier? Martin T. would know. |
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I'm not the moderator (in fact, I believe that we don't have a moderator; the closest we have would probably be the group's founder, e_r, who I believe doesn't have Moderating or Administrative powers); but I did a Google search and found the following seemingly pertaining to your question: https://www.getastra.com/blog/911/re...ahead-warning/ It seems that it would be something that skyscraperpage.com's techs would look into, who I'm sure would thank you for the heads up. You'd contact them by writing them a note at: https://skyscraperpage.com/site/contact/ Hope this helps! |
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