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Doady Aug 15, 2022 11:00 PM

Mississauga: Ninth Line
 
All photos taken on July 7, 2022.

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Murphy de la Sucre Aug 16, 2022 12:54 AM

a dead bird, literally

mrnyc Aug 17, 2022 2:59 PM

bravo as always.

i just cannot tell you how much i look forward to doady's photo threads.

100% j.g. ballard dystopia approved! :cheers:

https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/...JG-Ballard.jpg

Crawford Aug 17, 2022 8:16 PM

So Mississauga has (or until recently had) farmland, still? Wouldn't have guessed that.

I know Canadian suburbia is much more sane and sustainable than in the States, but on average, it's even uglier, if that's possible. GTA burbs are mostly pretty grim. The huge arterials with the power lines and the Dallas-style fenced housing developments, but even more packed-in.

Architype Aug 17, 2022 9:07 PM

The sign says it all; "A change has been proposed for these lands". The atmosphere reminds me of liminal space photography, in this case an undefined reality traversed and populated mostly with infrastructure, somewhere between suburban and rural. Great thread. :tup:

Nite Aug 17, 2022 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9705129)
So Mississauga has (or until recently had) farmland, still? Wouldn't have guessed that.

I know Canadian suburbia is much more sane and sustainable than in the States, but on average, it's even uglier, if that's possible. GTA burbs are mostly pretty grim. The huge arterials with the power lines and the Dallas-style fenced housing developments, but even more packed-in.

I am pretty confident you can find farmland in all cities in the GTA.
Here is some farmland in the City of Toronto:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8480...7i16384!8i8192

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According to Statistics Canada (2007a), there are
76 census farms on 2,710 ha (6,697 acres) within the city of Toronto, 52 of which report crops (not including Christmas trees) on 1,613 ha (3,986
acres), and an additional 310 ha (766 acres) in pasture. Located primarily in the northeastern
corner of the city, they produce mostly soybeans, grain corn, and small grains (about 1,000 ha or
2,471 acres), most of which is likely for animal feed. Seventeen farms report growing fruits,
berries, and nuts on 194 ha or 479 acres (the majority in grapes), and 11 farms report growing
vegetables on 126 ha (311 acres). Data suppression rules limited information on what vegetables are
produced, but it would appear to be diverse. Seven farms reported greenhouse operations, mostly
flowers with some vegetable production (likely transplants), totaling 30,487 sq. m (328,159 sq. ft.)
of greenhouse space.
http://torontourbangrowers.org/img/u...20Part%201.pdf

plinko Aug 17, 2022 9:46 PM

A transect of the unfortunate, complete with a dead bird...

Anywhere from Omaha to South Carolina and it all has that same 'this was once really pleasant farmland' feel...

...as the peeps in their Explorers and Pathfinders drive by at 100kph thinking 'why is this guy out here with a camera...'

Great thread...

dc_denizen Aug 18, 2022 1:17 AM

looks midwestern, the straight roads

yaletown_fella Aug 18, 2022 2:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9705129)
So Mississauga has (or until recently had) farmland, still? Wouldn't have guessed that.

I know Canadian suburbia is much more sane and sustainable than in the States, but on average, it's even uglier, if that's possible. GTA burbs are mostly pretty grim. The huge arterials with the power lines and the Dallas-style fenced housing developments, but even more packed-in.

I dont think I've ever seen new-ish US subdivisions with such huge homes on such small lots like this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8510...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8267...7i16384!8i8192

Crawford Aug 18, 2022 4:04 AM

Yeah, you're probably right.

Those neighborhoods are just weird, from a U.S. perspective. There are U.S. sprawl neighborhoods with that kind of density, but they're lower-end.

niwell Aug 18, 2022 2:14 PM

Surprised there isn't more construction along 9th Line yet, it's a very strange space.

Essentially the 9th Line lands are those that are between said roadway and the 407 tollway, and currently undeveloped: https://goo.gl/maps/Z2J1eA9S7YW1NMEm8

Originally the lands belonged to Halton Region / Town of Milton as 9th Line was the dividing line between Halton and Peel Regions. When the 407 was constructed this left an odd vestigal space between the 407 and edge of Mississauga's urban area that didn't make a whole lot of sense. At the same time Halton Region didn't have much interest in developing them as they were focusing on their own growth areas, largely centred around Milton and the Uptown Oakville development area. So a lonnngggg and drawn out process to transfer the lands was undertaken with handover in 2010.

Development is tricky as generally speaking lands fronting 400 series highways are reserved for employment uses (industrial/office parks), and the area also has to accommodate space for the future 407 transitway. So there's not actually a whole lot of developable land and the City/Region wants to make the most of what's there, which means no tract subdivisions. Interactive concept map can be found here: https://mississauga.maps.arcgis.com/...5bde061bff7636

Innsertnamehere Aug 18, 2022 4:55 PM

Wasn't it originally part of the Parkway Belt Plan as well (an old 1960's planning document meant to preserve a corridor around the GTA for infrastructure such has hydro lines and a highway which eventually became the 407). It took a while to get released from that as well.

niwell Aug 18, 2022 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere (Post 9705921)
Wasn't it originally part of the Parkway Belt Plan as well (an old 1960's planning document meant to preserve a corridor around the GTA for infrastructure such has hydro lines and a highway which eventually became the 407). It took a while to get released from that as well.

Yep, parts of it were including what became the 407 and the protected ROW for the future transitway. IIRC the protected lands were relatively narrow in this area compared to some others. I had the (mis)fortune of dealing with that Plan for a year or so back in 2015, including mundane things like Provincial approval for people to build a garage...

MolsonExport Aug 18, 2022 9:58 PM

Interesting shots. My in-laws live nearby just off of 10th line, so I am in the area quite often.

Doady Aug 18, 2022 11:25 PM

^ I remember you mentioned your connection to the area in the Central Erin Mills thread too. Ninth Line might be a bit out of the way for me but it seemed important to show it as some sort of dividing line while I still can. I was actually planning a larger thread, also including photographs of the portion of the Ninth Line corridor south of Britannia, closer to Erin Mills Town Centre, but after recent travelling through there, I realized it was too late, that part of the corridor not so much "liminal space" anymore, so I didn't photograph it. These photos just show the portion of the corridor north of Britannia.

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9704647)
bravo as always.

i just cannot tell you how much i look forward to doady's photo threads.

100% j.g. ballard dystopia approved! :cheers:

And I cannot tell you guys how much I look forward to all your comments in my threads, even getting references to J.G. Ballard and "liminal space". I never got much response for my photos elsewhere, so I want to tell everyone that I appreciate the support I have gotten here.

Although I must admit, even though Joy Division is my favourite band, and their song "Atrocity Exhibition" is a reference to J.G. Ballard, I didn't have him mind when I was taking these photos. I didn't know about liminal space photography either. I probably was thinking more about David Plowden, whose book Heartland: The Plains and the Prairie I bought a couple of years ago and I even revisited again while editing these photos. He photographed a lot of the Great Plains of the US and the disappearing rural landscape. You can see his work here: https://www.davidplowden.com/photographs

Architype Aug 19, 2022 2:04 AM

^ You mentioned liminal space, as I did. The first time I'd heard of the concept I thought it was nonsense because I was only hearing it presented as an abstraction, but not visually. I then thought of it as interstitial space (architectural) in a building, but liminal is different, usually a transition from what was, to what will be; this can create some uncomfortable and eerie feelings, perhaps with a form of tension, suspense, or foreboding, present in the photograph.

I really like the following video, it's fun and explains this photographer's version of it:

Video Link

geomorph Aug 20, 2022 4:17 AM

#28 almost looks like an alien saucer landed there.

Proof Sheet Aug 20, 2022 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by yaletown_fella (Post 9705448)
I dont think I've ever seen new-ish US subdivisions with such huge homes on such small lots like this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8510...7i16384!8i8192

I'm guessing that drainage is not a big concern for that homeowner.


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