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BVictor1 Jun 5, 2019 7:35 AM

CHICAGO | One Central
 
I wanted to create a thread for anything 'One Central'. This may or may not be something, but it'll be fascinating nonetheless.

Help contribute thoughts and ideas.....

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https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...op-megaproject

GREG HINZ ON POLITICS
May 31, 2019 06:48 PM UPDATED 10 HOURS AGO
State makes multibillion-dollar commitment to South Loop megaproject

Illinois could be on the hook for billions if a provision aimed at speeding up construction of a megaproject near Soldier Field is approved this weekend by lawmakers.

GREG HINZ
On Politics

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The state of Illinois potentially will be on the hook for more than $5 billion in equity and financing costs if a provision to speed construction of a megaproject near Soldier Field is approved by the General Assembly in this weekend’s extended spring session.

Elements of the deal for the huge One Central project have been in the discussion stage for weeks, with Bob Dunn of Landmark Development meeting with House Speaker Mike Madigan, Deputy Gov. Dan Hynes and other officials.

But actual language didn’t surface until Friday afternoon, when it was included in a must-pass budget implementation bill.
click here and go to pages 876, 904, 922, 941 and 978

BVictor1 Jun 5, 2019 7:49 AM

https://www.onecentralchicago.com/th...f-one-central/



http://ward03chicago.com/wp-content/...Hall-31319.pdf


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The need to rotate NEMA... it bothers me...
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BVictor1 Jun 5, 2019 8:01 AM

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...ront-lawmakers


GREG HINZ ON POLITICS
June 04, 2019 11:39 AM UPDATED 14 HOURS AGO

One Central megaproject draws fire from south lakefront lawmakers

Officials cite local concerns about the real estate development west of Soldier Field that's in line to receive up to $5.1 billion in state funds—and demand a voice. But the developer insists locals will be fully involved.

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GREG HINZ
On Politics


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Perhaps pushed by neighborhood opposition, four lawmakers who represent the South Side lakefront have written Gov. J.B. Pritzker urging him to go slow on finalizing any deal for an up to $5.1 billion state investment in the proposed One Central megadevelopment on air rights west of Soldier Field.

In a letter dated May 31—the date the General Assembly authorized state officials to negotiate a contract finalizing a One Central deal without coming back to lawmakers—Sens. Mattie Hunter and Robert Peters, and Reps. Kam Buckner and Lamont Robinson all cited strong local concerns about the size of the project, which eventually could cost $20 billion or more.

All four officials are Democrats and represent the area around Soldier Field.

“Since this project could adversely affect residents, we ask you to make a commitment to us that you will not approve any agreements, regulatory changes or make any administrative decisions related to this project before consulting with local legislators,” the four wrote. “As representatives of this district we should have been notified.”

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tjp Jun 5, 2019 2:17 PM

Based on the little I know about this project, the fact that the state is willing to throw $5 billion at it is terrifying..

animositisomina Jun 5, 2019 2:29 PM

What is terrifying is how the developer wanted Legislative approval to be fast tracked for this Spring Session.

So much happened this weekend but language associated with this project was tucked into the BIMP:

https://capitolfax.com/2019/05/31/me...into-the-bimp/


Quote:

The state of Illinois potentially will be on the hook for more than $5 billion in equity and financing costs if a provision to speed construction of a megaproject near Soldier Field is approved by the General Assembly in this weekend’s extended spring session.

Elements of the deal for the huge One Central project have been in the discussion stage for weeks, with Bob Dunn of Landmark Development meeting with House Speaker Mike Madigan, Deputy Gov. Dan Hynes and other officials.

But actual language didn’t surface until Friday afternoon, when it was included in a must-pass budget implementation bill.

(If you want to read it for yourself, click here and go to pages 876, 904, 922, 941 and 978.)

The provisions would create a new Civic Transit and Infrastructure Fund. It would collect and disburse tax funds owed to a private developer “pursuant to the public private partnership entered into by the public agency on behalf of the state of Illinois to the Public-Private Partnership for Civic and Transit Infrastructure Project Act enacted in this amendatory act.” […]

Under the bill, the state would begin to pay $200 million a year to the private developer starting in 2023—presuming a contract is negotiated, and the big transit station that Dunn promises is operational then. The state would give him $200 million that year, with annual payments rising to $445 million in 2045.
If there was an actual need for this project then it should be 100% backed by private funds. If they believe they can make money on this project then roll the dice and take the gains/losses. We should not be on the hook for a transit hub that really isn't wanted or needed.

The bill gives the current administration the ability to negotiate with Landmark:

https://therealdeal.com/chicago/2019...ate-lawmakers/

Quote:

Though the bill passed Saturday gives his administration the power to negotiate with Landmark, Pritzker would not sign off on a fundraising project without engaging with local elected officials and community leaders, a spokesperson said. Pritzker also will work to address the lawmakers’ concerns that minority contractors and local labor be included in the project, his spokesperson said.

Pritzker told the Crain’s editorial board Monday the project would not even get to the negotiating table without a robust community approval process. No part of One Central has been approved by the city or state, as the development firm works to secure potential federal funding for the project.

r18tdi Jun 5, 2019 3:01 PM

Anyone going to the meeting tonight? It's unclear if there's going to be new info presented or if it's just a resident "workshop" where everyone sits in circles and puts concerns on notecards...

LouisVanDerWright Jun 5, 2019 3:12 PM

It's interesting how quickly this developer is moving to get the pols pushing their agenda. I actually don't have an issue with the state throwing money at this if it's going to upgrade transit in the area. Honestly this would be the perfect opportunity to "Gray Line" the Metra Electric...

tjp Jun 5, 2019 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 8595917)
It's interesting how quickly this developer is moving to get the pols pushing their agenda. I actually don't have an issue with the state throwing money at this if it's going to upgrade transit in the area. Honestly this would be the perfect opportunity to "Gray Line" the Metra Electric...

Does this area really need this level of transit upgrades, though? I can think of a lot of other transit projects I'd rather see $5 billion sent on.

Baronvonellis Jun 5, 2019 4:33 PM

I think if we have $5 billions for transit an actual Circle line would be alot more useful. Or a transit tunnel from the west loop to Millennium park. Or extending the brown line to Jefferson Park. ect.

BVictor1 Jun 5, 2019 4:35 PM

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Originally Posted by r18tdi (Post 8595898)
Anyone going to the meeting tonight? It's unclear if there's going to be new info presented or if it's just a resident "workshop" where everyone sits in circles and puts concerns on notecards...

I'll be attending.

IrishIllini Jun 5, 2019 4:44 PM

I’d rather see that $5b spent on the Connector or Clinton-Larrabee subway.

BonoboZill4 Jun 5, 2019 11:58 PM

This will be a fun argument starter for years to come... if the innocuous Lucas Museum could have such virulent and vociferous opponents, something that could be even more beneficial to the city will get even more rich white people complaining about losing their views! Because let's be honest, the majority of the complainers will be those losing their lake views, not people concerned about finances. They'd be quiet if the it was a few blocks behind them....

BVictor1 Jun 6, 2019 4:01 AM

Went to the meeting, as as expected, total NIMBY shit fest.

There was nothing new at all.

The developers wanted to have some brainstorming/charrette and ideas from the neighborhood, but they were so bitchy, out never got that far.

The developer said he's had meetings with RTA, Metra and a chat with CTA. Nothing solid, just conversation.

There was one funny thing tonight, the alderman mentioned that there are already entitlements in place, so the developer could do something now.

She told the crowd that saying no, is not an option with this... She's telling people they have an opportunity to help craft things, but with said entitlements, something gonna happen... They weren't pleased one bit. They were hoping she was just gonna shut the whole thing down..

brian_b Jun 6, 2019 4:12 PM

I was at the meeting too. It was worthless.

Alderman Dowell didn't tell the whole story. The current entitlements are not currently economically viable. Fogelson knew they wouldn't become so in his lifetime, which is the only reason Landmark/Dunn is now the developer. Dowell also mentioned old PDs. If that's true, then they have to go through the PD amendment process to build the transit hub unless it's already in there. Somehow I doubt that very much.

'No' may not be an option, but 'not in the next 15 years' is, and if Dunn isn't careful that's what he's going to get. This is the community that drags out lawsuits until you give up (winning is unimportant). That's what they did to X/O at 18th and Prairie, that's what they did to Lucas, that's what they did to the high school at NTA...

Connecting Metra BNSF to the site requires work outside Dowell's ward and outside the site that Landmark controls.
Connecting CTA Orange Line to the site requires work outside Dowell's ward and outside the site that Landmark controls.
Dunn has never mentioned anything about the South Shore railroad, which uses the tracks and is significantly impacted by the project. You've got 3 or 4 congressional districts outside of Illinois that have an interest here.

I would really like to see this site developed, but dear lord are they screwing it up.

BonoboZill4 Jun 6, 2019 10:47 PM

I'm proud of my prediction being correct already :haha:

nomarandlee Jun 7, 2019 11:54 AM

Glad that Lightfoot seems to get it. If Illinois was left to be on the hook for this underperforming transit center it could derail PT in the city and region for decades. We can't waste valuable resources on this hot mess of an idea.

Quote:

https://www.chicagoreporter.com/lori...ield-surprise/


Lori Lightfoot blasts One Central’s Springfield surprise
Chicago’s new mayor criticized developer Bob Dunn for slipping authorization for $5 billion into the state capital budget for a giant new transit hub next to Soldier Field.
By Headshot of Curtis Black Curtis Black | 46 mins ago

......In a brief meeting Wednesday, Mayor Lori Lightfoot blasted developer Bob Dunn for slipping authorization for $5 billion into the state capital budget for his One Central development without consulting local legislators.

That money is for a giant new transit hub next to Soldier Field, which would provide the structural support for Dunn’s $20 billion residential and commercial development over Metra train tracks.

“I don’t like the way that they are conducting themselves,” Lightfoot told the Sun-Times, adding that she isn’t sure “it would be a city priority to have a transportation hub in that location.” With a huge backlog of transit repairs, she said, “I’m not sure that’s where we should be spending limited resources.”........
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ardecila Jun 7, 2019 6:24 PM

Also attended the meeting. It was painful how non-committal everyone was trying to be.

I spoke to one of the planners from Perkins+Will, and he was unaware that Amtrak had plans to re-route all trains away from their site, nor that the Grand Crossing project which would build that new route was just funded in the very same bill that also promised funding for One Central.

I don't fault Dunn for going to the state first; as brian_b mentioned, building the platform with private funding just isn't viable given the expected rents from South Loop development. Given the rancor around Lincoln Yards, it's just too much of a risk these days to spend millions performing design work and due diligence if there is no guaranteed funding for the public infrastructure. Sterling Bay at least had Rahm in their corner, but Dunn cannot count on the unwavering support of Mayor Lightfoot to ram anything through.

The only thing I did take away is that the project team is open to ideas concerning the infrastructural piece of the development, so long as they can hit their target FAR. The problem is, this site really could be a great transit hub but that would require changes to our transit network on a regional level and its governance. The arrival of a private partner and up to $5B in funding doesn't change the fact that Metra hates the idea of running Metra Electric like rapid transit, CN owns the only line connecting Metra Electric to the rest of the rail network and doesn't want to share, and CTA is too narrowly focused on state-of-good-repair projects or social-justice based projects like Red Line extension. That's sad, because $5B is more than enough to establish a CrossRail service that would link One Central directly to O'Hare, Union Station and Hyde Park.

animositisomina Jun 14, 2019 2:36 PM

Mayor Lori Lightfoot says ‘jury’s out’ on whether One Central megadevelopment will proceed

https://www.chicagotribune.com/polit...613-story.html

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Illinois legislators this spring authorized state officials to enter into an agreement for up to $5.1 billion in state investments for the proposed megadevelopment along Lake Shore Drive across from Soldier Field that would place a huge transit station over train tracks between McCormick Place and the Field Museum.

Creation of the transit center would bring together CTA, Metra and Amtrak trains, while also creating the platform on which Landmark Development would build up to 20 million square feet of new office, residential and hotel high-rises, as well as other buildings.

The development could take about 15 years to complete at a cost of about $20 billion, not including transit center costs, the developer previously said.

Lightfoot was asked about the project at an unrelated news conference and said what the developer received from Springfield was an opportunity to be eligible for federal dollars. Then she reiterated concerns she’s previously expressed about the project.

“I met with them and I think I gave an unequivocal guidance which is that they can’t ignore public comment, they can’t ignore elected officials whose jurisdictions are implicated by the possibility of this,” Lightfoot said. “I’m not sure that having a transportation hub in that area is a priority for us, but fundamentally, the message that we left them with is that they have to go through the normal department of planning process and there aren’t going to be any shortcuts to that.”

Asked whether it’s a question of how the project develops, not whether it develops, Lightfoot said, “No, I think I’ve just said, I have questions as to whether or not we need a transportation hub.”

The developer is “going to have to make the case and they’re going to have to go through a rigorous community process, there are going to be residents along the western border of the proposed project that are going to be deeply affected by high-rises going up and blocking their view of the lake,” Lightfoot said. “They have to submit themselves to a vigorous community engagement and we made that unequivocally clear. The jury’s out as to whether or not this project proceeds. We won’t know that until they go forward.”

rgarri4 Jul 12, 2019 10:44 PM

From my 3D model:

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RedCorsair87 Jul 12, 2019 11:58 PM

While I'm 99% sure this all will never happen, that is breathtaking. I wonder how long our skyline would be compared to Manhattan's...

ChiTownWonder Jul 13, 2019 4:30 PM

^ agree, and I would hate to see it happen in its current plan. This kind of project should promote connectivity to the lakefront but the giant base it sits on seems like a giant wall to the rest of the south loop.

BonoboZill4 Jul 13, 2019 4:40 PM

That's a mic drop if I've ever seen one

bhawk66 Jul 13, 2019 4:59 PM

Yea, just gross. Montgomery Ward just rolled over.

brian_b Jul 15, 2019 1:15 PM

Tonight (July 15) at 6 pm at McCormick Place W184:

Quote:

Alderman Pat Dowell and the Department of Planning and Development are hosting a meeting to discuss the existing zoning and land use regulations that govern the proposed One Central development site. These existing regulations set the basis for potential project development which can be built of right for the site.

This will be an informative discussion with Alderman Dowell and Planning and Development staff ONLY. For more information please call the 3rd Ward Public Service Office at XXX-XXX-XXXX.
Not sure if anyone plans to go. I am hoping to make it.

HomrQT Jul 15, 2019 3:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rgarri4 (Post 8631122)
From my 3D model:

Bravo! :cheers:

Randomguy34 Jul 15, 2019 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian_b (Post 8632547)
Tonight (July 15) at 6 pm at McCormick Place W184:



Not sure if anyone plans to go. I am hoping to make it.

If you're there can you live update us?

Zapatan Jul 15, 2019 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RedCorsair87 (Post 8631174)
While I'm 99% sure this all will never happen, that is breathtaking. I wonder how long our skyline would be compared to Manhattan's...

I agree, this seems like a pipe dream and a half, as much as I love Chicago most of the coolest projects never happen so it'd be unwise to get excited.

Cool concept I guess?

RedCorsair87 Jul 16, 2019 3:05 AM

^It's comical that the rendering illustrates such tall towers as if people are going to move here in droves. Chicago is slowly filling its other luxury towers in more interesting and connected areas of the city. What is the appeal of living here beyond being close to the park and lake?

To be clear, I would love to see continued quality skyscraper development and our skyline extend south, this just seems ludicrous.

Mr Downtown Jul 16, 2019 3:06 AM

Things I learned at tonight's meeting:
  • DPD has only had one meeting with Landmark Development, and requested something like 17 specific pieces of information. None have yet been supplied. Though they won't publicly say so, they seem as puzzled as other observers about how this deal could make any sense whatsoever.
  • The Central Station PD has at least 2000 dwelling units approved but not yet used. It also has 3.1 million sq ft of office and 2,500 hotel keys that can be traded in (at the rate of 3:1) for additional dwelling units.
  • Some 4.7 million square feet of bulk is approved and not yet used. For comparison, what's built in Central Station (and approved, such as NEMA's sister) north of 14th St. is around 5 million square feet.
  • The PD includes language that vests the approvals once certain amounts of development took place within a specified time. The usual rule is that property owners have no rights to their future zoning, but in this case they apparently do.
  • The city's new Zoning Administrator, Patrick Murphey, is a pretty sharp guy who can get to the point clearly.
  • Most of the neighbors who ask "questions" at public meetings like this . . . not so much.

HomrQT Jul 16, 2019 4:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 8633284)
Things I learned at tonight's meeting:
  • DPD has only had one meeting with Landmark Development, and requested something like 17 specific pieces of information. None have yet been supplied. Though they won't publicly say so, they seem as puzzled as other observers about how this deal could make any sense whatsoever.
  • The Central Station PD has at least 3,100 dwelling units approved but not yet used. It also has 3.1 million sq ft of office and 2,500 hotel keys that can be traded in (at the rate of 3:1) for additional dwelling units.
  • Some 4.7 million square feet of bulk is approved and not yet used. For comparison, what's built in Central Station (and approved, such as NEMA's sister) north of 14th St. is around 5 million square feet.
  • As soon as a "master plan" for the air rights area south of Waldron is approved, that unlocks another 2000 dwelling units and 3.8 million square feet of FAR. (I hope I didn't double count.)
  • The PD includes language that vests the approvals once certain amounts of development took place within a specified time. The usual rule is that property owners have no rights to their future zoning, but in this case they apparently do.
  • The city's new Zoning Administrator, Patrick Murphey, is a pretty sharp guy who can get to the point clearly.
  • Most of the neighbors who ask "questions" at public meetings like this . . . not so much.

Great info. It's interesting to watch this play out. Like others I'm skeptical but I enjoy watching the process.

brian_b Jul 16, 2019 4:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 8633284)
Things I learned at tonight's meeting:
  • DPD has only had one meeting with Landmark Development, and requested something like 17 specific pieces of information. None have yet been supplied. Though they won't publicly say so, they seem as puzzled as other observers about how this deal could make any sense whatsoever.
  • The Central Station PD has at least 3,100 dwelling units approved but not yet used. It also has 3.1 million sq ft of office and 2,500 hotel keys that can be traded in (at the rate of 3:1) for additional dwelling units.
  • Some 4.7 million square feet of bulk is approved and not yet used. For comparison, what's built in Central Station (and approved, such as NEMA's sister) north of 14th St. is around 5 million square feet.
  • As soon as a "master plan" for the air rights area south of Waldron is approved, that unlocks another 2000 dwelling units and 3.8 million square feet of FAR. (I hope I didn't double count.)
  • The PD includes language that vests the approvals once certain amounts of development took place within a specified time. The usual rule is that property owners have no rights to their future zoning, but in this case they apparently do.
  • The city's new Zoning Administrator, Patrick Murphey, is a pretty sharp guy who can get to the point clearly.
  • Most of the neighbors who ask "questions" at public meetings like this . . . not so much.

You did double count. The 4.7 million square feet and 2000 dwelling units are the total remaining for the combination of subarea B and C.

All but 2 of the highrises in the One Central renders are in subarea B, but subarea B has a FAR of 1.7. Subarea C has a FAR of 7.59, but it is long and thin and much smaller than the other subareas. Additionally (not mentioned tonight) is that the view corridors cover at least half to two-thirds of subarea C - it's pretty worthless unless the "rights" can be transferred to subarea B.

I did some internet detective work and found that the PD331 subarea 4E that was mentioned only allows "unenclosed" parking, which I assume means a surface lot. One Central (and also the Lucas museum before it) showed a parking structure here. And my detective work also found the IL compiled statutes that authorized McPier to acquire the property/air rights but I see nothing about them being allowed to transfer it to a private party. Hmm.


I left the meeting with the sense that this thing is dead in the water unless they can throw the existing PDs out and get a new one through the city council. Anyone want to lay odds? I certainly don't have much faith.

Randomguy34 Jul 16, 2019 5:32 AM

^ this thing will have a chance if in exchange for the deal they got from Springfield (~$5 billion) they provide a significant amount of affordable housing (>35%). Otherwise good luck getting approval from any resident or alderfolk

brian_b Jul 16, 2019 1:18 PM

I just went back and looked at my photos from the event and compared them to the slides on page 1 of this thread. The southernmost high rise is in PD 331, so it's a no-go.

It also looks like they are siting 4 high rises in subarea C, not 2.

PD 499
https://gisapps.cityofchicago.org/gi..._pds/PD499.pdf

PD 883
https://gisapps.cityofchicago.org/gi..._pds/PD883.pdf

PD 331
https://gisapps.cityofchicago.org/gi..._pds/PD331.pdf

Mr Downtown Jul 16, 2019 8:54 PM

Last night's presentation, and all the underlying PD documents and master plans, available here.

ChiHi Jul 17, 2019 4:23 PM

I haven't had a chance to attend the meetings yet but I live in one of the buildings at 18th St and the tracks and the people in my building have been getting their torches ready for this thing for a while now. Given that for the most part I'm in favor of it, I've learned to just stay silent in my building just to maintain some peace.

gebs Jul 17, 2019 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiHi (Post 8634596)
I haven't had a chance to attend the meetings yet but I live in one of the buildings at 18th St and the tracks and the people in my building have been getting their torches ready for this thing for a while now. Given that for the most part I'm in favor of it, I've learned to just stay silent in my building just to maintain some peace.

It might be a good idea to voice your support in hopes that other residents who also approve of the plan come out of the woodwork. Otherwise it will feel like everyone is against it, and not just a vocal minority.

(And I'm not saying that's the case - it's possible that the majority of your building is against One Central. But if no one stands for it because it means getting involved in the noise, then nothing gets done. It's why I appreciate when people at community meetings stand up just to voice their approval, without a question or a complaint.)

Mr Downtown Jul 17, 2019 8:37 PM

Exactly. One of my frustrations with the way we do "public meetings" in this country is that the only people ever heard from are the whiners who already know they hate it. Even if an alderman wants to responsibly represent his constituents, the torchbearers who came to oppose any change will always outshout or even intimidate the folks with open minds. (And—my god, the level of ignorance and misunderstanding always on display.)

I think this particular scheme is utterly bizarre, fiscally irresponsible as a state investment, and makes no sense as a "civic asset"—but I get so frustrated by some of the idiocy I hear at these meetings (my window will be cast into darkness, there might be construction noise, it will kick up carcinogenic dust, strangers might come within sight of my townhouse, waaaaahhhhh) that I sometimes want to go to the microphone and let loose with both barrels.

glowrock Jul 18, 2019 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 8634891)
Exactly. One of my frustrations with the way we do "public meetings" in this country is that the only people ever heard from are the whiners who already know they hate it. Even if an alderman wants to responsibly represent his constituents, the torchbearers who came to oppose any change will always outshout or even intimidate the folks with open minds. (And—my god, the level of ignorance and misunderstanding always on display.)

I think this particular scheme is utterly bizarre, fiscally irresponsible as a state investment, and makes no sense as a "civic asset"—but I get so frustrated by some of the idiocy I hear at these meetings (my window will be cast into darkness, there might be construction noise, it will kick up carcinogenic dust, strangers might come within sight of my townhouse, waaaaahhhhh) that I sometimes want to go to the microphone and let loose with both barrels.

You forgot about the moms with double-wide sport-utility strollers' ability to cross the street! Not to mention the multitudes of people in wheelchairs who need three crosswalks (signalized of course) in between every single block! Yes, the idiocy abounds. Absolutely abounds. Kind of like internet comments on most news sites. ;)

Aaron (Glowrock)

Skyguy_7 Jul 18, 2019 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 8634891)
Exactly. One of my frustrations with the way we do "public meetings" in this country is that the only people ever heard from are the whiners who already know they hate it.

This is why I'm grateful to have Bvic. You can count on him to be there to offset the absurdity of the whiners.

Randomguy34 Jan 4, 2021 8:30 PM

Chicago DPD announced a community meeting on Jan 25th for ONE Central

Quote:

ONE Central
The ONE Central mixed-use project from Landmark Development is proposed for approximately 32 acres of rail yards between the McCormick Place Convention Center and the Museum Campus on the Near South Side.

Pending the submission of a formal Planned Development (PD) zoning application and the completion of a formal review and approval process, the proposal would be anchored by a multi-modal transit hub. It would also include up to 9,050 residential units, 1.5 million square feet of retail uses, 9.45 million square feet of office space, 1.5 million square feet of hotel uses, 350,000 square feet of event space, and 3,500 parking stalls.

Community Engagement
The proposal requires significant review by the Department of Planning and Development (DPD) and other City departments and agencies, as well as public hearings with the Chicago Plan Commission and City Council. A virtual community meeting hosted by DPD and Ald. Pat Dowell (3rd) is scheduled for the below time and date.

ONE Central Community Webinar
6 p.m., Monday, Jan. 25 | Register or Watch Live

Dates for future meetings and hearings are still to be determined. All questions or comments may be directed to dpd@cityofchicago.org.

dweeprise Jan 4, 2021 9:11 PM

Thanks, Randomguy34, for this update. I had been wondering about this development for a while. I'm sure DPD would love to see this happen.

Mr Downtown Jan 5, 2021 5:38 AM

Why?

It doesn't advance any aspect of the Central Area Plan, Central Area Action Plan, or Near South Community Plan. In fact, it goes directly against various recommendations contained in those. It certainly doesn't advance Commissioner Cox's agenda of equity for poor neighborhoods.

It's literally a guy saying "make me some new land and I'll put buildings on top."

lakeshoredrive Jan 5, 2021 6:09 AM

This development is stupid. I'd rather see the orange or a different line be extended towards the lakefront/soldier field. I think it's ridiculous that soldier field is not serviced by a CTA rail line.

Zapatan Jan 5, 2021 1:29 PM

I agree, it looks a bit out of place, although it would be cool to have another mini skyline like HY in NYC. 12.5 MSF is insane for one development in Chicago.

I'm still under the impression it's a pipe dream but good to know there's a meeting, maybe Landmark is serious about it.

The buildings likely wouldn't be as high as the renderings though I'm assuming, isn't this site limited, or is that the 78? They look nearly as high as the Sears.

Handro Jan 5, 2021 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lakeshoredrive (Post 9149571)
This development is stupid. I'd rather see the orange or a different line be extended towards the lakefront/soldier field. I think it's ridiculous that soldier field is not serviced by a CTA rail line.

I think the project includes the extension of the orange line to the proposed transit hub, doesn’t it?

But I agree, I’d be shocked to see this come to fruition at the proposed scale.

the urban politician Jan 5, 2021 2:37 PM

I agree that this development is ridiculous and a worthless pipe dream.

We can't even get huge swaths of dirt redeveloped literally RIGHT NEXT DOOR to this, and we're supposed to expect this to happen?

Not only do I expect this to not get off the ground, I don't want it to. That's not how things work. First you develop out the vacant land that's already there. Then, as land gets scarce and property values rise, you start doing projects like this.

A project like this is a minimum of 50 years away from being viable. We'll all be dead

BuildThemTaller Jan 5, 2021 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 9149699)
I agree that this development is ridiculous and a worthless pipe dream.

We can't even get huge swaths of dirt redeveloped literally RIGHT NEXT DOOR to this, and we're supposed to expect this to happen?

Not only do I expect this to not get off the ground, I don't want it to. That's not how things work. First you develop out the vacant land that's already there. Then, as land gets scarce and property values rise, you start doing projects like this.

A project like this is a minimum of 50 years away from being viable. We'll all be dead

"Make no little plans, they have no magic in them to stir men's blood"

Also, I plan on being alive in 50 years and hope some of you will be as well.

Do I think this is a fantastic, must-build plan? No. Do I want an Orange Line stop that can be connected to Metra and create momentum for better integrating the Metra electric lines into the rest of the CTA network? Yes.

west-town-brad Jan 5, 2021 2:46 PM

thank god for zero percent interest rates

the urban politician Jan 5, 2021 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller (Post 9149705)
"Make no little plans, they have no magic in them to stir men's blood"

Also, I plan on being alive in 50 years and hope some of you will be as well.

Do I think this is a fantastic, must-build plan? No. Do I want an Orange Line stop that can be connected to Metra and create momentum for better integrating the Metra electric lines into the rest of the CTA network? Yes.

I've seen that quote for the past countless years, and I gotta tell ya--just because you make a big plan, doesn't mean it isn't stupid.

Besides, we already have some big plans in the works, and much more viable ones to boot. The 78, that stuff planned at the Moody Bible site, Southbank, all of the big stuff planned for the Tribune complex, Lincoln Yards, the Morton Salt district, and so much else. What these have in common is that they are all planned on existing land and are far more viable.

ardecila Jan 5, 2021 3:05 PM

Hopefully they took the time to actually talk with planners at CMAP, DPD, etc about the transit needs at this site. A new 18th St station (or 16th) that is modernized and ADA accessible would be great. Some new infrastructure to move CTA buses onto the McCormick busway would be great.

Even CTA rail could be helpful, but it won't be Orange Line... probably either Brown or Purple, which could (finally) provide a proper connection between Metra Electric and CTA rail that allows for North-South trips. Realistically though, there is no way they will be able to build such a spur cost-effectively. They'd either need to double-deck the St Charles Air Line, which would never fly with the condo owners along the tracks, or purchase the SCAL from the various freight railroads that own it (equally unlikely).


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