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downtownphxguy12 Mar 13, 2013 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 6049608)
If built, I'd like to see it built near Willeta at 1st or 2nd street area. There is a bunch of open land and surface parking right there. It would be close to Hance Park, the library, the art museum, LR station, have great views of DT, midtown and Squaw Pk/Camelback.

that would be a better location. you would have all the green lawns and trees of the historic neighborhoods to look down upon vs a bunch of parking lots and commericial roofs.

Freeway Mar 14, 2013 2:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nickw252 (Post 6049563)

Sad. The Pin is absolutely abominable. It will not define Phoenix. The views from the structure will not be impressive. This is just another desperate attempt to throw yet another concept at the wall in the hope that it sticks. We have tried with the Arizona Center, CityScape, 44 Monroe, the sports facilities, the downtown campuses, that thing suspended near the Westward Ho, etc. Downtown is just turning into one urban experiment after the other for the highest bidder. It makes downtown look disjointed.

Arquitect Mar 14, 2013 3:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Freeway (Post 6050809)
Sad. The Pin is absolutely abominable. It will not define Phoenix. The views from the structure will not be impressive. This is just another desperate attempt to throw yet another concept at the wall in the hope that it sticks. We have tried with the Arizona Center, CityScape, 44 Monroe, the sports facilities, the downtown campuses, that thing suspended near the Westward Ho, etc. Downtown is just turning into one urban experiment after the other for the highest bidder. It makes downtown look disjointed.

That is what urban cores are, a mix of different things. Some work, some don't, but there is variety. Sorry it can't be the homogeneous boredom of the suburbs you love so dearly Freeway. Our downtown has a long ways to go to become world class, but it is not a collection of failures as you seem to believe.

Freeway Mar 14, 2013 4:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Arquitect (Post 6050851)
That is what urban cores are, a mix of different things. Some work, some don't, but there is variety. Sorry it can't be the homogeneous boredom of the suburbs you love so dearly Freeway. Our downtown has a long ways to go to become world class, but it is not a collection of failures as you seem to believe.

Cities are organic, yes. The projects in downtown Phoenix, however, all share the same marketing strategy as the impetus that will transform downtown. They are all constructed with the same secondary purpose: to bring people downtown. They have all failed.

I love urbanity as much as anyone else. It is an absolutely tragedy to see downtown Phoenix being ruined by developers. Too many downtown enthusiasts are just so hellbent on getting every vacant lot filled with a structure that they don't care what goes up.

Just sad. I guess I'll just have to hope that Tempe continues to develop its urban core to strengthen its position as the urban center of Arizona.

dtnphx Mar 14, 2013 4:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Freeway (Post 6050900)
Cities are organic, yes. The projects in downtown Phoenix, however, all share the same marketing strategy as the impetus that will transform downtown. They are all constructed with the same secondary purpose: to bring people downtown. They have all failed.

I love urbanity as much as anyone else. It is an absolutely tragedy to see downtown Phoenix being ruined by developers. Too many downtown enthusiasts are just so hellbent on getting every vacant lot filled with a structure that they don't care what goes up.

Just sad. I guess I'll just have to hope that Tempe continues to develop its urban core to strengthen its position as the urban center of Arizona.

I get the disappointment you're sensing, but you're looking at every project that has gone into downtown as a failure. I've lived here most of my life and downtown has grown tremendously in that time. The success of ASU, the farmers market, Roosevelt Row, light rail and even ugly shit like Cityscape have brought some life to downtown. You even think the idea for the observation tower is a bust. Do you think people won't utilize it? That it will sit empty without any visitors? I'd love to know what you do like in downtown and make suggestions as to what you would like to see.

gymratmanaz Mar 14, 2013 4:29 PM

I agree, dtnphx!!!!!!


Personally, I think the Pin would be a great addition!!! While I like the idea of MT Hance park getting it, the access would not be as big as the Science Center location.

TAZ4ate0 Mar 14, 2013 6:11 PM

I like the concept of The Pin. I showed a couple of people yesterday, who were completely clueless to the propsal, some renderings of it, and they also seemed to like it.

dtnphx Mar 14, 2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TAZ4ate0 (Post 6051557)
I like the concept of The Pin. I showed a couple of people yesterday, who were completely clueless to the propsal, some renderings of it, and they also seemed to like it.

While I don't like building for building sake, I love the idea of an observation tower and not just a rectangular high-rise and I think it will add interest it in downtown.

MegaBass Mar 15, 2013 12:09 AM

New History in the Making

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In downtown Phoenix, our affinity for refashioning the old into new is evident on every street. An old house becomes a new bar, and the classic charm creates something that a new building could never quite capture. It’s part of the city’s unique flavor.

And so, in the sweeping renaissance of our downtown area, add the DeSoto building on Roosevelt and Central to your list of new favorite places. Business owners hoping to create something new in a classic space are quivering with anticipation.

Formally C.P. Stephens DeSoto Motorcars, the DeSoto building is experiencing a long-awaited rebirth at the hands of a new owner and a historically minded architect.

Built in 1928, it was the original home of the DeSoto car dealership, but has housed an array of car companies, motorcycle shops, stores and agencies since, finally turning into a warehouse of sorts. A recent foreclosure sale put it on the market, and ultimately into the hands of the bank. From there, it became a tough sell to prospective buyers due to the age, and less-than-pristine structural status of the classic building.
But after Washington-based developer Ken Cook expressed interest, he asked Bob Graham of Phoenix-based Motley Design Group to take a look. It was Graham’s opinion that the building could be restored.

“Most people went in there … and they ran away screaming,” Graham said. “Most prospective buyers were trying to buy it purely for the land value, but Ken came in with the idea to keep the original building intact, and renovate the space to house new tenants.”

Cook made an offer to the bank, and began the process of restoring the original building with Graham’s help. The restoration became a very involved project, due both to the repairs that were needed and the commitment to maintaining the historical integrity of the space.

“Ken, as the owner, obviously is the driving force. But we designed the project for him, using all sorts of incentives to try to make the project work,” Graham said.

“We were able to get a City of Phoenix building grant from the Historic Preservation Department, and we are also using historic preservation tax credits from the federal government. Basically, any way we can figure out to sweeten the pot and make the project work. As we got into it, we found the details of what the history of the building was, and we’re really trying to leverage that history as being a really big selling point.”

In a twist of fate for a building that was created to sell cars, Graham said he hopes that tenants will exploit the location’s nearness to the Roosevelt light rail stop, and draw traffic from the busy transportation connection. They will have to, as the space only feature 11 parking spots as current plans stand.

“We need tenants that are going to be able to capitalize on light rail, pedestrians, ASU students, whoever. So if they’re appealing to that crowd, then I think it will be fine. We’re not looking for typical suburban use that people will drive for.”
Graham noted that while the exterior renovation will be done within the next two months, the interior renovation would not begin until tenants are secured. The building will house between one and five tenants comfortably, and they are planning on customizing the interior design depending on the needs and final number of tenants.

While the history of this particular building is garnering more attention than a typical restoration project, for Motley Design Group, restoration is their bread and butter. The company is one of the few architectural firms in Phoenix that focuses on historic preservation projects.

“Historic preservation is kind of my specialty. Not many architectural firms around town do it, because, well, we don’t have that much old stuff compared to other cities,” Graham said.

“I think most people like old buildings. The reason that we have so many new buildings in Phoenix is because we’ve torn down most of the old ones. From a developer’s standpoint, it’s a lot riskier to do a historic project than just to build a new one.

“But in this case, I can’t imagine that the end product would be seen by the public as being a nicer thing if it were a brand new building.”

For more information on the DeSoto Building project and tenant leasing options, visit the site.

nickw252 Mar 15, 2013 12:45 AM

That's great news. I drove by a few days ago and noticed that the front was boarded up like they were working on it. I look forward to seeing the finished product.

Vicelord John Mar 15, 2013 1:23 AM

what is the great news, exactly?

some proposed development with no tenants and a terrible website doesn't say good news, it says 'cool idea, if it happens'.

westbev93 Mar 15, 2013 2:45 PM

Is there any doubt that it is happening (assuming "it" is the rehab)? It seems like they are doing work on the building. Granted, it could sit rehabbed and vacant for lack of tenants.

PHX31 Mar 15, 2013 3:47 PM

Yeah, I'd take a rehabbed nice building (it's definitely u/c - check motley design group's facebook page or the desoto building's facebook page) sitting there over a decrepit old building sitting there, or worse, a razed building/empty lot.

This is great news that will have a cherry on top once tenants move in.

downtownphxguy12 Mar 15, 2013 4:27 PM

"or worse, a razed building/empty lot."

true dat!

mgmAZCO Mar 15, 2013 6:06 PM

I'd say the great news is that the building didn't get razed. That there are developers willing to take a chance on a building like this, and that banks are willing to finance a project like this. Great news that another piece of history isn't getting bulldozed. Here's hoping they can make it a success.

HooverDam Mar 15, 2013 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicelord John (Post 6052285)
what is the great news, exactly?

some proposed development with no tenants and a terrible website doesn't say good news, it says 'cool idea, if it happens'.

The company doing the current work, Motley Design Group (owned by an awesome guy named Bob Graham), isn't a developer. They're an architectural firm that specializes in HP, they're probably the best in the City at it. They're also the ones stabilizing the Leighton G Knipe House.

Anyhow, there job is merely to stabilize and restore the building, then once that happens, the search for a tenant can begin. Doesn't make any sense at the moment to try to sell it to tenants as most people don't have enough vision to see a crumbling building and think "ah yes this could be X!"

If you go on the DeSoto Buildings Facebook page though they're taking suggestions for what you'd hope to see in the building. Apparently the owner has relatively deep pockets, so lets hope something cool goes in there.

floc34 Mar 15, 2013 10:20 PM

Speaking of the Roosevelt Row area, it looks as if one of the new businesses at the Canvas bldg has opened for business

HooverDam Mar 16, 2013 1:40 AM

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Originally Posted by floc34 (Post 6053753)
Speaking of the Roosevelt Row area, it looks as if one of the new businesses at the Canvas bldg has opened for business

Yep, Scratch the French eatery ,its delicious. I haven't eaten at the Downtown one yet but the one in Scottsdale is excellent.

The Canvas building will also house 'Pallette" (no relation to the former downtown breakfast place of the same/similar name) which is going to be like an Asian fusion place, mostly Chinese & Vietnamese I believe. The space between the two is apparently going to be empty for a little bit as they look for a tenant.

NorthScottsdale Mar 18, 2013 3:36 PM

Does anybody know what they are doing with Beef Eaters on 3rd Ave and Camelback? It's fenced off and they are doing something with it...

Vicelord John Mar 18, 2013 3:43 PM

Yes, read the last few pages instead of making people repeat themselves.

Cops shot someone in my condos last night and good lawd they don't screw around with officer involved shootings. Brought the whole squad. I was telling a friend, literally as it happened, how much I love it downtown because its so quiet.

Ugh.


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