Thanks, Randomguy34, for this update. I had been wondering about this development for a while. I'm sure DPD would love to see this happen.
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It doesn't advance any aspect of the Central Area Plan, Central Area Action Plan, or Near South Community Plan. In fact, it goes directly against various recommendations contained in those. It certainly doesn't advance Commissioner Cox's agenda of equity for poor neighborhoods. It's literally a guy saying "make me some new land and I'll put buildings on top." |
This development is stupid. I'd rather see the orange or a different line be extended towards the lakefront/soldier field. I think it's ridiculous that soldier field is not serviced by a CTA rail line.
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I agree, it looks a bit out of place, although it would be cool to have another mini skyline like HY in NYC. 12.5 MSF is insane for one development in Chicago.
I'm still under the impression it's a pipe dream but good to know there's a meeting, maybe Landmark is serious about it. The buildings likely wouldn't be as high as the renderings though I'm assuming, isn't this site limited, or is that the 78? They look nearly as high as the Sears. |
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But I agree, I’d be shocked to see this come to fruition at the proposed scale. |
I agree that this development is ridiculous and a worthless pipe dream.
We can't even get huge swaths of dirt redeveloped literally RIGHT NEXT DOOR to this, and we're supposed to expect this to happen? Not only do I expect this to not get off the ground, I don't want it to. That's not how things work. First you develop out the vacant land that's already there. Then, as land gets scarce and property values rise, you start doing projects like this. A project like this is a minimum of 50 years away from being viable. We'll all be dead |
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Also, I plan on being alive in 50 years and hope some of you will be as well. Do I think this is a fantastic, must-build plan? No. Do I want an Orange Line stop that can be connected to Metra and create momentum for better integrating the Metra electric lines into the rest of the CTA network? Yes. |
thank god for zero percent interest rates
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Besides, we already have some big plans in the works, and much more viable ones to boot. The 78, that stuff planned at the Moody Bible site, Southbank, all of the big stuff planned for the Tribune complex, Lincoln Yards, the Morton Salt district, and so much else. What these have in common is that they are all planned on existing land and are far more viable. |
Hopefully they took the time to actually talk with planners at CMAP, DPD, etc about the transit needs at this site. A new 18th St station (or 16th) that is modernized and ADA accessible would be great. Some new infrastructure to move CTA buses onto the McCormick busway would be great.
Even CTA rail could be helpful, but it won't be Orange Line... probably either Brown or Purple, which could (finally) provide a proper connection between Metra Electric and CTA rail that allows for North-South trips. Realistically though, there is no way they will be able to build such a spur cost-effectively. They'd either need to double-deck the St Charles Air Line, which would never fly with the condo owners along the tracks, or purchase the SCAL from the various freight railroads that own it (equally unlikely). |
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Let's say they get an Orange Line stop there near Museum Campus. I don't think it's too much to envision a more practicable solution, like a streetcar that runs up Columbus and over to Navy Pier. That'd be a lot cheaper and would do the job. It's for tourists, anyway, and only needs to connect to the rest of the CTA at a couple of points. |
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By your logic we should have left Illinois Center and Lakeshore East as grungy railyards back in the 1970s and told office developers to build in River North or West Loop instead. Building office buildings over the Union Station tracks? The Merchandise Mart? No they should have built somewhere else on terra firma! :rolleyes: |
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I've been in several nonpublic meetings with such folk that touched on this topic. Unwilling to slam the door on whoever's so politically connected that they've been keeping this fever dream going, the operating agencies have politely but noncommittally said "we'll look at whatever plan is presented." Landmark Development is utterly clueless about Chicago transit. They wanted to say Orange Line spur so they could say "one-seat ride to MDW." They wanted to say BNSF spur so they could say "one-seat ride to Naperville." When I asked Bob Dunn how his new transit hub helped the Bears fan coming in from Barrington, he seemed unaware that UP trains come into a different station. A year ago, I was at a meeting where they'd suddenly added Rock Island trains into their analysis, hoping to somehow prove that their new project would give new access to good jobs for poor blacks in South Cook County. The South Side community leaders at the table snickered and went to the back of the room to get another danish. |
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This development to me is another "cool but impractical" project, but interest rates are extremely low and they may have gotten the federal loan they applied for, so there's a small chance it could get built |
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While impractical it would certainly be cool and expand Chicago's downtown by a huge margin. Hope all 20MSF get built even if it sounds like a long shot :shrug: |
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There's gotta be somebody at the agencies willing to pitch them an actually useful package of transit improvements, though. If they want to pay for something, there's no shortage of needs. At the very least, the 18th St Metra station needs rebuilding and should be accessible, and the busway runs under their site and could become a useful piece of CTA infrastructure with a few ramps and turn lanes. What have they been doing for the past 2 years? Certainly there was a pause while Emanuel and Reifman gave way to Lightfoot and Cox... so presumably a fresh team of planners got a look at this project. |
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Because otherwise the only plan that would interest and benefit both the city and the developer would be to tunnel under the Loop and somehow connect the Metra Electric to either Ogilvie or Union tracks. And I can’t even imagine how many billions that would cost. Fantasy Chicago Transit Fix-it Map https://www.google.com/mymaps/viewer...EMUz4&hl=en_US Source: Alon Levy |
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