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BifRayRock Sep 2, 2013 8:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 6251869)
Lorendoc and I got together yesterday for a little more urban exploration, and one of our stops was Gage Mansion at 7000 East Gage in Bell Gardens.

. . . . .

The place was securely locked but after reading the note not the front door I wondered when the board meeting would be re-scheduled, and if I could pop in to see the interior. :)




Going out on a limb. :treehugger:





Interior photos associated with Gov. H T Gage. Unfortunately, I these appear to be of Gage's Sacramento residence when he was running the State. As Gage had the where-with-all to bring the best to his So Cal home, these pics might serve to provide an idea of what a much earlier board meeting might have seen.

The date provided is April 1916, which would have been 13 years after Gage left office. I therefore question both the date and maybe even the given location. (I am sure of very little.) Noirishers, draw your own conclusions.


1916 (?)
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/15341/rec/1



1916
Caption reads: "Cook working in kitchen of Governor Gage's Home - [New Electric Range on left and old wood fueled range in alcove at end of kitchen]"

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0


Peekaboo
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

1916 - Merely for context. This is said to be Gov. Gage's residence in Sacramento. No less provincial than many of the other mainhouses seen in recent photos?

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/15340/rec/3




Chuckaluck Sep 2, 2013 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6250821)



Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6251775)
Both of these photos -- not taken at the same time -- show the west side of Broadway, just north of 5th Street. In the top photo, the building we see only the left-hand side of is the same building that we see all of in the bottom photo.

In the top photo above, the Broadway Drapery and Furniture Co. building lacks the lettering above the fourth floor windows that it has in the bottom photo and in this c. 1908 shot (see link for entire photo):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psfc871165.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/1799/rec/157



I marveled at the second image and what appeared to be outwardly bowed or bay windows. Shadows seemed to support this idea but now with the inclusion of the third image, I have my doubts. Could this building have had three remodels or maybe two with an optical illusion?

J.T. Sep 2, 2013 11:03 PM

After some research and study of this photo, I would venture say the locomotive is a
O-4-4T The first set of drivers is difficult to see. It was built to 36" gauge, and converted to 42" on arrival in Los Angeles. Sold 3/10/89 to Los Angeles, Pasadena & Glendale Railway #1. The "T" in O-4-4T stands for tank engine that has a same ben behind the engineers cab for fuel and a saddle tank sitting over and around the boiler. I hope this answer your question.

J.T. Sep 2, 2013 11:13 PM

Sorry, I am not to good at this. The post above was in answer to Retired in Texas question on page 822.

CityBoyDoug Sep 2, 2013 11:14 PM

This is Bell Gardens....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6252286)



Going out on a limb. :treehugger:





Interior photos associated with Gov. H T Gage. Unfortunately, I these appear to be of Gage's Sacramento residence when he was running the State. As Gage had the where-with-all to bring the best to his So Cal home, these pics might serve to provide an idea of what a much earlier board meeting might have seen.

The date provided is April 1916, which would have been 13 years after Gage left office. I therefore question both the date and maybe even the given location. (I am sure of very little.) Noirishers, draw your own conclusions.


1916 (?)
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/15341/rec/1



1916
Caption reads: "Cook working in kitchen of Governor Gage's Home - [New Electric Range on left and old wood fueled range in alcove at end of kitchen]"

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0


1916 - Merely for context. This is said to be Gov. Gage's residence in Sacramento. No less provincial than many of the other mainhouses seen in recent photos?

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/15340/rec/3




I have not been inside the Bell Gardens Gage mansion but these photos seem to be mislabeled. The bottom photo is definitely Bell Gardens. You can still see that porte-cochère today attached to the Bell Gardens home!

The tall chimney was probably taken down in an earthquake and replaced with a shortie.

BifRayRock Sep 2, 2013 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6252396)
I have not been inside the Bell Gardens Gage mansion but these photos seem to be mislabeled. The bottom photo is definitely Bell Gardens. You can still see that porte-cochère today attached to the Bell Gardens home!

The tall chimney was probably taken down in an earthquake and replaced with a shortie.








CBD, thanks for your extra scrutiny!

I had minor trepidation over posting on an LA Noir thread what was listed as a Sacramento location. Building looked oddly familiar, but the overgrowth threw me off. There were clearly cosmetic mods to the pediments and a door added where - there might have been an opening for ice deliveries. Guessing the chimney was above the wood stoves.

The former Gov is said to have lived there until '24. So '16 makes sense. And at his advanced age, who is to blame the Ex-Gov. for not getting his weed wacker out of the shed! :rolleyes: Could that be the same cook outside front entrance? I suspect the kitchen photos bearing the same dates belong to Bell/Bell Gardens too.

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Gage/DSCN2996.JPGhttp://wwww.dkse.net/david/Gage/DSCN2996.JPG


http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0


http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

As before, can't see it? Go here: http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/15340/rec/17


http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0


3940dxer Sep 3, 2013 6:44 AM

Thank you everyone for your positive feedback and all the excellent follow up info and photos. Perhaps we'll never know all the details but it seems that your replies have fleshed out most of the story behind this structure and its nearby contemporaries. Nice work everybody, much appreciated.

Chuckaluck Sep 4, 2013 2:25 AM

Time for trip to the San Fernando Valley. Put on your suspension of disbelief hat!


Tentative itinerary. Subject to change - if Aunt Martha gets car sick, again. Then we take her back to the Soldiers Home. And after what happened the last time, no hitch-hikers!


If we make it to Girard, here is what we might see: http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=13670




Two ways to get there.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6...a45954d0_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6...a45954d0_o.jpg


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6...3b602111_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6...3b602111_o.jpg

_____________________

Stay in the far left lane.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6...7efc44b4_o.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6...7efc44b4_o.jpg



Say hey to Carl Laemmle!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6...5692f698_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6...5692f698_o.jpg


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7006/6...43061ba4_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7006/6...43061ba4_o.jpg


Or John Wayne at Republic!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6...d6e7eb0c_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6...d6e7eb0c_o.jpg


_____________________



Tired already? Must be the heat.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6...50880dc4_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6...50880dc4_o.jpg



Bird Wonderland, in Van Nuys. Thought it was mentioned before but can't seem to locate it. Think it may have been plotted in the '29 Amusement Map. My cats don't appreciate being tethered. But these lions must have loved it! :no:


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6...1dbab264_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6...1dbab264_o.jpg


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6...2291b71b_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6...2291b71b_o.jpg

_____________________



Finally, something we can all agree on. Hic' :cheers:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7142/6...40dc8b23_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7142/6...40dc8b23_o.jpg


From http://www.flickriver.com/photos/val...r-interesting/

Blaster Sep 4, 2013 4:40 PM

Say hey to Carl Laemmle!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6...5692f698_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6...5692f698_o.jpg


Great stuff, Chuck. Does anyone know the origin of the castle in the background? Was it built for a specific film?

Chuckaluck Sep 4, 2013 5:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 6254401)
Does anyone know the origin of the castle in the background? Was it built for a specific film?





Wondered about the same thing. Assumed it was built as a set. Could it have been part of Von Stoheim's costly epics, or one of Chaney's bigger productions?


http://micechat.com/wp-content/uploa...3/03/pic10.jpghttp://micechat.com/wp-content/uploa...3/03/pic10.jpg




http://www.image-archeology.com/Univ...Studio_831.jpghttp://www.image-archeology.com/Univ...Studio_831.jpg


http://www.image-archeology.com/Univ...s_Entrance.jpghttp://www.image-archeology.com/Univ...s_Entrance.jpg


Indian street scene?
http://www.image-archeology.com/Univ...nd_dollars.jpghttp://www.image-archeology.com/Univ...nd_dollars.jpg

http://www.image-archeology.com/Laem...s_Cal_LA61.jpghttp://www.image-archeology.com/Laem...s_Cal_LA61.jpg

ethereal_reality Sep 4, 2013 5:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 6251869)
Lorendoc and I got together yesterday for a little more urban exploration, and one of our stops was Gage Mansion at 7000 East Gage in Bell Gardens, the oldest standing residence in L.A. county.

Wonderful job you two! I am simply fascinated that it's located in the middle of a trailer park. It's a bit surreal isn't it-

-and so many great follow-up posts as well. Good job everyone. :)

ethereal_reality Sep 4, 2013 6:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6252318)
I marveled at the second image and what appeared to be outwardly bowed or bay windows. Shadows seemed to support this idea but now with the inclusion of the black and white image, I have my doubts. Could this building have had three remodels or maybe two with an optical illusion?

I agree, the bays definitely look bowed in the sepia image.
http://imageshack.us/a/img853/5418/xjde.jpg
detail

-any idea what this is on the sidewalk?
http://imageshack.us/a/img706/7955/9bj2.jpg
posted earlier by flyingwedge

There appears to be a stick (umbrella?) poking out of it.
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ethereal_reality Sep 4, 2013 6:17 PM

Here are a few more images from that sepia group on ebay. (no information other than downtown Los Angeles)

pre-TALLYS
http://imageshack.us/a/img43/7240/zpkc.jpg

as TALLYS http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=932




unknown construction (perhaps the building below)
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/1983/qul4.jpg






Bilicke(sp)-Rowan Hotel?
http://imageshack.us/a/img542/989/zgo4.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img31/6281/yz44.jpg





The corner looks somewhat familiar, but I don't remember the name Trout's
http://imageshack.us/a/img27/6428/x4x6.jpg




-not sure if this is the same building in the other construction photos, or an entirely different building.
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/3596/9dvg.jpg

GaylordWilshire Sep 4, 2013 6:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 6254401)
Say hey to Carl Laemmle!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6...5692f698_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6...5692f698_o.jpg


Great stuff, Chuck. Does anyone know the origin of the castle in the background? Was it built for a specific film?


Apparently it was a water tower in disguise. The picture below is dated 1914, before the studio officially opened in March 1915. According to writeups at the time, every structure on the lot was made to be useful in filming, with multiple sides to many of of them for different settings etc.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p...2520PM.bmp.jpgsame as the web address marring the picture at left

Blaster Sep 4, 2013 7:07 PM

That's interesting and makes sense that everything on the lot would serve a film function.

But I was actually referring to that distant castle-like structure on the left hand side of the postcard.

ethereal_reality Sep 4, 2013 7:10 PM

:previous: Good find GW, I guess we should have been able to figure that one out. (but didn't)

Remember when we discussed the disguised water tower at Forest Lawn?

Frohich's Tower of Legends
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7746

belmont bob Sep 4, 2013 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6251664)
It can be a little confusing sometimes--as with a number of streets beginning their runs south below 1st Street, since there is no "North Victoria" there really is no South Victoria--

It seems that 5435 wasn't Leslie's home but rather a man named Brittain's...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...2520PM.bmp.jpg
from: http://repforums.prosoundweb.com/ind...opic=29948.150


From http://www.theatreorgans.com/grounds/docs/rumors.html
"The original name of the Leslie Speaker was "Vibratone." Leslie Speakers were also called "Brittain Speakers." In 1941, Don Leslie formed a disastrous partnership with one Lou Brittain and early nameplates identify the manufacturer as the "Brittain Sound Equipment Co." This partnership was dissolved after the war."


The 1940 census for 5435 Victoria reveals a radio salesman named... Louis Brittain:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-X...225%2520PM.jpg

From January 1968 until September 1980 I worked for the Electro Music Company in Pasadena. This was the company that Don Leslie began after WW2, and was purchased by CBS Inc. in 1966 along with Fender Guitar in Fullerton as the start of a musical instrument division. I knew Don Leslie personally and was the cabinet engineer and designer of many Leslie models.
His business during those first years after the war was so fragile that he would never let customers see his very small facility in west Pasadena. Laurens Hammond would have gladly put him out of business but I think he underestimated him and probably never saw the CBS buyout coming. After Hammond’s death, the two companies got together in 1968 and produced the first Leslie to be sold with a new Hammond Organ. In 1980, Hammond bought the company from CBS and moved the manufacturing to the Chicago area. Don Leslie had retired by that time.
During much of the late 60’s and into the early 70’s Leslie manufactured about 100 speaker systems a day. But the market began to dry up with advancements in electronics, and today a small number of the products are still manufactured for the “purists” who will never settle for digital sound.
I have a soft spot for Leslie because that’s where I met my wife. It was nice little company to work for but they didn’t pay worth a crap!

Those Who Squirm! Sep 4, 2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belmont bob (Post 6254703)
It was nice little company to work for but they didn’t pay worth a crap!

Funny how that happens! My first job out of graduate school, in the mid-1980s, was as a subject indexer for a Chatsworth publisher of insurance law materials; the pay was bad and the commute worse. But the indexers all had advanced degrees of one sort or another, typically a JD or an MLS, and the casual chit-chat around the office delved into all sorts of interesting topics in history, language, music, and politics. No other place I've ever worked has come close in that regard.

When you get a bunch of JDs not practicing law and a bunch of MLSs not working as librarians together in a room, they do tend to be interested in and knowledgeable about all sorts of things.

Like many of the people here. :D

PHX31 Sep 4, 2013 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6254523)
-any idea what this is on the sidewalk?
http://imageshack.us/a/img706/7955/9bj2.jpg
posted earlier by flyingwedge

There appears to be a stick (umbrella?) poking out of it.
__

If you compare it to the bicycle parked next to it, that would make the thing taller than a person, so I don't think it is an umbrella holder with an umbrella sticking out of the top of it.

Maybe it is some sort of community bulletin board (?). That wouldn't explain why it is basically on open-framed box, unless different items were hung from it.

Flyingwedge Sep 4, 2013 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6254543)
Here are a few more images from that sepia group on ebay. (no information other than downtown Los Angeles)

The corner looks somewhat familiar, but I don't remember the name Trout's
http://imageshack.us/a/img27/6428/x4x6.jpg

It's the NW corner of 6th and Broadway. In this 1901 photo we also see the Trout's Drug Store sign and part of the Bresee Bros Undertakers sign:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps010785ff.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/16972/rec/23

Perhaps all these sepia photos are of buildings on Broadway? This was posted earlier by er:
http://imageshack.us/a/img835/9479/r7e2.jpg

This 1904 photo looks west at 6th Street (on the left), with buildings on Spring and Broadway closest to the camera. In the right foreground, to the right of H. Arnold's Furniture Warehouse, is the Spring Street School. Behind the right side of the school are those two skinny, five- and four-story buildings from the above sepia photo. The Trout's Drug Store sign is also visible though not really readable:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps48ee8cb0.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/25517/rec/37


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