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ethereal_reality May 8, 2013 5:44 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/6015/aabdelrio1978.jpg
ebay

ethereal_reality May 8, 2013 6:06 PM

I don't recognize this charming little gift shop.

Los Angeles 1950s
http://imageshack.us/a/img843/8813/aabkodachrome1e.jpg
kodachrome slide/ebay

I would like to find out if it was located in New Chinatown or China City.
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ethereal_reality May 8, 2013 7:54 PM

Wilshire Posting Co. 636 Broadway, Los Angeles

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/3153/aa...re1898or18.jpg
Los Angeles Herald 1898




prime bill board locations

http://imageshack.us/a/img17/2867/aabadcow1.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/





http://imageshack.us/a/img96/571/aabadcow2.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/




fronting Santa Fe Depot
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/2008/aabadcow2a.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/
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Flyingwedge May 8, 2013 8:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6119430)
It never occurred to me that the tree ever made it off Central Ave. I thought it was trashed with the Arcade Depot to make way for Central Station. I also didn't know where it was from, although it was described as "a San Pedro palm" in one account, I couldn't make any sense of that.

LOL, you should have seen me frantically searching Google Maps around the Coliseum trying to find it. The placement is so grand, the tree's been rendered almost invisible, so different from it's former placement. I should have known about it since I was 10 at least. One more reminder that LA owns me, not the other way around.

Maybe some of the other San Pedro Street palms exist unnoticed somewhere. Washingtonia filiferas don't get so tall that their age is readily apparent. I'd like to know who transplanted them to LA. Who was living on San Pedro Street back in 1858? When I have another minute I'll look for some early pix of the tree at Exposition Park. I can't quite visualize it's surroundings then.

This has apparently recently come up on Curbed LA: http://la.curbed.com/archives/2013/0..._palm_tree.php

Is this photo on San Pedro Street before the tree was moved to Central Ave?
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c...825%2520PM.jpg
lapl via curbed.la

Apparently, yes. Here are photos from your earlier posts. Compare this tree . . .
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e...130%2520PM.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84263554@N00/7637123686/

With this one on the left . . .
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j...225%2520AM.jpg
http://www.lamag.com/citythink/cityt...dest-palm-tree

With the one that has a guy on a ladder leaning up against it. The guy probably secured the ropes seen in the middle photo. All three photos could be the same tree, especially the last two photos. I realize it has a longer "beard" in the top photo. I count four trees along the wall, with two of the other three palms in the photo right next to each other. There is no St. Vibiana's in the background.
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa52957ce.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068408.jpg
The caption at LAPL says: The moving of palms on the east side of San Pedro Street, between 2nd and 3rd Street, on the old Wallace Woodworth property. A crew of men is working on the project, using a tall ladder and a horse and wagon. An orchard lies behind a wall. Photo dated: 1888.

However, this is the only photo that identifies the location as the Woodworth property. Other sources attribute the palms to William A. Hammel.

According to the 1881 Map of Los Angeles, Hammel (#205) and Woodworth (#208) lived across from each other on San Pedro near Second -- Hammel on the west side, and Woodworth on the east side. Maybe they both had palm trees? Look for Blocks 50 and 51 on the left side of the drawing, which are also on the lower left portion of the model (50 is the triangular block):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9ca6dd3b.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps61136290.jpg
Calisphere -- http://imgzoom.cdlib.org/Fullscreen....and=calisphere

This photo of the Woodworth residence is dated c. 1880 [SEE P.S. BELOW]. I don't see any palm trees, not even small ones. And where's that long brick wall? Note the small home to the right:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7ec059be.jpg
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics41/00055089.jpg

This is a closeup of the "Res. of W. Woodworth Laur" (I don't know where Laur comes from) on an 1871 E. S. Glover map of Los Angeles; it seems like the same home. I'm guessing the small house was built first, then the big one:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps162b398f.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/3993/rec/16

BTW, that Glover map seems to have been incorporated into the c. 1929 Gore's 1871 Birdseye Map of Los Angeles:
http://www.bigmapblog.com/2011/los-a...eared-in-1871/

Anyway, this is looking south down San Pedro Street, across 1st Street. LAPL says c. 1875; USC says c. 1868. LAPL caption reads: "View of San Pedro Street looking south at 1st Street. The tall building is on the Wallace Woodworth property and has an observatory cupola. It was built in 1871. Fan palms were planted later." So, maybe this is the same small home as above, although the roof and cupola look a little different? No palm trees yet, unless they're too small to see:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps836c5a75.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00081/00081438.jpg

A few other things to note in the above photo:
1) The thing on the street corner in the lower left corner of the photo . . . it looks a little like those watering troughs or whatever they were in the old photos of the plaza.
2) Is that a zanja in the shadows on the right side of the street?
3) The asterisk marks the Antonio Maria Lugo adobe, built in 1819.

This c. 1885 view of the Antonio Maria Lugo adobe shows it with palm trees:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psedf8c230.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00081/00081446.jpg

Back to those palms along the brick wall . . . keeping in mind the 1888 photo above of the trees being removed, with the guy on the ladder against one of the palms . . . I think this c. 1886-87 photo was taken from the other side of the brick wall, looking the other way. I again see four palms along the wall and, well, four others in the background, but two of them are right next to each other, as in the 1888 photo. But if you're on San Pedro Street and you can see St. Vibiana's in the background, you've got to be looking west, so this has to be the Hammel property, not the Woodward property. Note that we seem to be looking end-on at a brick building (we see one wall and a slanted roof) behind the one along the street:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps94bd70fd.jpg
USC Digital Library (where this photo is reversed; I've flipped it the right way) -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/13914/rec/11

More similar photos; this one is c. 1880:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4b34f329.jpg
CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...L8XPBNS7PB.jpg

This is dated c. 1895. The caption reads in part "California Fan Palm (Washingtonia filifera) trees behind brick retaining wall on San Pedro Street":
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2c3fb6d1.jpg
CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...EXHX78F14R.jpg

Now look at this undated photo . . . sure looks like same brick wall, palms, and wooden shack . . . but the brick building at right is different. I have no explanation:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps42d5a199.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/14500/rec/13

More palm photos, which I believe show the same brick building (not the one along the street, however many stories it had -- I mean the one behind it). The first one is captioned "c. 1885 Photograph of the two old palm trees on San Pedro Street, home of Sheriff Hummel [sic], showing old well, Los Angeles":
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps89d7466b.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/13965/rec/1
Note: Photo above is also reversed; see JScott's post below (thanks!) for correct orientation.

"c. 1886 Photograph of 2 large fan palm trees at the residence of Sheriff Hammel on San Pedro Street near Second Street, Los Angeles. A well is situated between them":
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psd07cbb27.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/8915/rec/9

"Fan palms, c. 1890":
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps603253e5.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068404.jpg

So if they're Hammel's Palms, we must credit Dr. William A. Hammel (d. 1889), who came to Los Angeles in 1849 and built one of the first brick homes in the city (perhaps the one seen in the photo above?), on San Pedro near 2nd Street (This source -- http://www.badgehistory.com/page_two.html -- and Harris Newmark put the house on San Pedro between 2nd and 3rd, but the 1881 map/model has it on the NW corner of 2nd and San Pedro. Whatever.)

His son, also William A. Hammel, was LA County Sheriff 1899-1902 and 1907-1914. In 1899 he hired LA County's first African-American Deputy Sheriff, and in 1912 hired the nation's first female Deputy Sheriff (his sister-in-law).
From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=15683350 and https://nixle.com/alert/4791785/

# # #

I'm surprised and delighted to learn that that palm tree, now outside the Coliseum, has survived so long. I figured it had just been unceremoniously ripped out like all of William Wolfskill's orange trees.

P.S. The accuracy of LAPL's caption to the 1880 Woodworth home photo above ("Exterior view of the Woodworth residence, located at 2nd and San Pedro Streets.") has been called into question. Further investigation reveals that the large home is apparently absent from the 1888 Sanborn Map of the area, and it cannot be found in other photos of the area.

srk1941 May 8, 2013 8:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6120319)
I don't recognize this charming little gift shop.

Los Angeles 1950s
http://imageshack.us/a/img843/8813/aabkodachrome1e.jpg
kodachrome slide/ebay

I would like to find out if it was located in New Chinatown or China City.
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I found a reference to Mei Wing being in China City. It's on page 41 of "Bridging the Centuries: History of Chinese Americans in Southern California," by the Chinese Historical Society of Southern California, from 2001.

westcork May 8, 2013 8:05 PM

Is this the north end of the Hill Street Tunnel #2 ?

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics17/00018123.jpg
LAPL

ethereal_reality May 8, 2013 8:12 PM

Two Chinese girls cross Alameda Street during the 1902 Feast of the Dead. (view is looking north)

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/9594/a...natown1902.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/
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ethereal_reality May 8, 2013 8:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srk1941 (Post 6120526)
I found a reference to Mei Wing being in China City. It's on page 41 of "Bridging the Centuries: History of Chinese Americans in Southern California," by the Chinese Historical Society of Southern California, from 2001.

Thanks srk1941. -much appreciated.
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MichaelRyerson May 8, 2013 8:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westcork (Post 6120529)
Is this the north end of the Hill Street Tunnel #2 ?

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics17/00018123.jpg
LAPL

The painting seems pretty fanciful to me. Many buildings/landmarks are missing and if you were to be looking at the north portal of Hill Street tunnel no. 2 and seeing the City Hall in the background you'd have to be looking in a south-easterly direction, so how the Catalina Channel sneak into the background here?

Flyingwedge May 8, 2013 8:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6120319)
I don't recognize this charming little gift shop.

Los Angeles 1950s
http://imageshack.us/a/img843/8813/aabkodachrome1e.jpg
kodachrome slide/ebay

I would like to find out if it was located in New Chinatown or China City.
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Herman Schultheis photos of China City, c. 1939. The pagoda looks the same. Mei Wing Co.'s location in the color photo doesn't seem to match the B/W photos, and the name is slightly different (imported art goods vs. gift xxxx). If it's the same Mei Wing, it appears to have moved.
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9499bcbb.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00101/00101130.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psb07388ad.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00101/00101147.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psab651e35.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102400.jpg

JScott May 8, 2013 9:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6120525)

More palm photos, which I believe show the same brick building (not the one along the street, however many stories it had -- I mean the one behind it). The first one is captioned "c. 1885 Photograph of the two old palm trees on San Pedro Street, home of Sheriff Hummel [sic], showing old well, Los Angeles":
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps89d7466b.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/13965/rec/1

"c. 1886 Photograph of 2 large fan palm trees at the residence of Sheriff Hammel on San Pedro Street near Second Street, Los Angeles. A well is situated between them":
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psd07cbb27.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/8915/rec/9

"Fan palms, c. 1890":
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps603253e5.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068404.jpg



Same image as the top one, but not reversed.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...treetpalms.jpg
eBay/May 2012

WS1911 May 8, 2013 10:12 PM

Boyle Hotel Interior
 
Here are some photos taken today inside the Boyle Hotel. The stairs from the front doors go straight up to the 2nd floor. In my mind I had pictured the staircase as being set against the wall within a central hallway. They did a nice job with the interior and as expected, the balcony at the top of the tower was off limits.

http://imageshack.us/a/img199/7619/1...gsinterior.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/3449/2cummingsinterior.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img585/6606/3...gsinterior.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img32/9635/4cummingsinterior.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/9063/5cummingsinterior.jpg

personal images
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ethereal_reality May 8, 2013 11:04 PM

:previous: Wow! Thank you so much WS1911. I wasn't expecting any interior photographs.

ethereal_reality May 8, 2013 11:20 PM

one more time.
http://imageshack.us/a/img9/9711/aabkodachrome1essp.jpg
ebay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6120627)
Herman Schultheis photos of China City, c. 1939. The pagoda looks the same. Mei Wing Co.'s location in the color photo doesn't seem to match the B/W photos, and the name is slightly different (imported art goods vs. gift xxxx). If it's the same Mei Wing, it appears to have moved.
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9499bcbb.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00101/00101130.jpg

That's definitely the same 'tower' Flyingwedge. Why do you think it's in a different location?
The blocks in the pavement look the same.
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By the way, your post on the San Pedro Palms was amazing.

ethereal_reality May 8, 2013 11:45 PM

This is for MichaelRyerson, lemster2024 and bighen. :)


cracked glass slide
http://imageshack.us/a/img32/3716/aa...etsanferna.jpg
found on an old cd of mine

The Sunset/Hill Hotel and the San Fernando Hotel and points beyond...including a bridge.
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westcork May 9, 2013 1:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6120822)
one more time.

That's definitely the same 'tower' Flyingwedge. Why do you think it's in a different location?
The blocks in the pavement look the same.
.

Didn't China City have two fires?

MichaelRyerson May 9, 2013 2:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6120844)
This is for MichaelRyerson, lemster2024 and bighen. :)


cracked glass slide
http://imageshack.us/a/img32/3716/aa...etsanferna.jpg
found on an old cd of mine

The Sunset/Hill Hotel and the San Fernando Hotel and points beyond...including a bridge.
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Thanks e_r, can't get too many shots of these old girls. By the way, this little guy is near the bottom center of your pic obviously in better days.


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8262/8...99745ec1_o.png
An old adobe in Sonora Town, ca.1920

USC digital archive/Title Insurance and Trust, and C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960

ethereal_reality May 9, 2013 2:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westcork (Post 6121000)
Didn't China City have two fires?

I don't know westcork. Are you suggesting the gift shop 'tower' was moved?
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ethereal_reality May 9, 2013 3:01 AM

OK, I just found this great old post concerning China City.



The images are ALL missing now. I hate that. sorry folks.
Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 5564654)
A couple of days ago, I had never heard of China City. Now that I have read up on it, I find it fascinating.

A little history - When old Chinatown was being torn down in the early 1930's to build Union Station, people realized that a new Chinatown should replace it. One of these persons was Peter SooHoo, who put together a group of Chinese business people and planned to build a new Chinatown on Broadway. Another person was Christine Sterling, who had been the driving force behind the building of the Olivera Street tourist attraction. SooHoo and Sterling could never agree on a plan, so they built competing projects. SooHoo built New Chinatown up on Broadway (which is still there) and Sterling built China City on the block surrounded by Spring, Ord, Main, and Macy streets. China City opened in June, 1938.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13/...jpg&res=medium
LAPL

China City had three entrances. One by the corner of Macy and Main:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg813...jpg&res=medium
LAPL

One a little north on Main:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg822...jpg&res=medium
LAPL

And one around the corner on Ord Street:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg840...jpg&res=medium
LAPL

China City was full of nice shops and restaurants:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg254...jpg&res=medium
LAPL

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg836...jpg&res=medium
LAPL

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg694...jpg&res=medium
LAPL

They even set up the house from the 1937 hit movie The Good Earth, with actual props from the movie:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg7/s...jpg&res=medium
LAPl

Everything was going pretty well until February, 1939 when a large portion of the place somehow caught fire and burned down:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg109...jpg&res=medium
LAPL

Boy, that building across the street sure looks familiar...

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg807...jpg&res=medium
LAPL

...HOLY CRAP, ITS PHILIPPE'S!

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg823...jpg&res=medium
Google Street View

I always assumed that Philippe's was there forever! Wow! A crusty machine shop was in there in 1939.

Anyway, to finish the China City story, they rebuilt the burned out portion and opened again in August, 1939.
They lasted until 1948, when another fire finished them off.
(Sounds like someone was playing a little rough to me.) :poke:


Matthew May 9, 2013 3:01 AM

Aerial Rendering for New Chinatown:
http://cdn.calisphere.org/data/13030...nb67b-FID5.jpg
Source: Calisphere

I love architectural renderings.

If you haven't seen this thread, you may want to. Much of what is covered in this thread is featured there: http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205381


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