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AlvaroLegido Nov 3, 2014 9:06 PM

How did it start ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6791076)

Sorry to belabor that "May be stick to the buildings ?" (by Presarch #24308) but I anticipate that this recurring issue will sooner or later come back from other new-comers who are expecting a straight variation of the SkyscraperForum.
Rather than arguing, I guess the best will be to refer them to the inaugural posts of the thread : p. 2 #34 Sopas takes the initiative of posting only cars and #37 Ethereal welcomes these photos by... posting cars ; p.3 #43 Sopas posts a broad assortment of criminal photographs and #47 Ethereal adds Mickey Cohen's armoured car.

Martin Pal Nov 3, 2014 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6789658)
At the moment, I don't know if there's been any posts about the still open Boardner's establishment a street over from Miceli's, but there's a story on this link below about it, full of anecdotes about Hollywood Blvd. establishments we've heard of and not heard of before, the characters and celebrities who frequented them and about the owner, Steve Boardner. There's some details about Carmen Miceli included. A good read.

http://www.boardners.com/boardners_story.php

Boardner's, 1652 North Cherokee Avenue

There's only a scant couple of mentions that I've found on NLA about Boardner's.

One was a post from Godzilla (referenced by BifRayRock) that shows a scene from Ed Wood with Martin Landau and Johnny Depp on the street in front of Boardner's.

The post also references the same L.A. Weekly article that I referenced on the Boardner's website.

Another from Tovangar2 shows an interior scene inside Boardner's from L.A. Confidential.

Both of these are linked here:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10464

I looked for some historic photos of Boardner's, but there does not seem to be any. (?) I searched for photos of Cherokee Ave. or Hollywood Blvd. and Cherokee and didn't have any luck. For being a location that was around since the 20's, and Boardner's since 1942, the only photos seem to be from movies like Ed Wood, L.A. Confidential and this one from Gangster Squad:

http://www.hollywoodwaxmuseum.com/bl...s1-300x200.jpg

Click on the above photo for a very large version. The neon sign in the above photo is yellow, but it's normally green. Uness it flashes/changes--the border in the green photo isn't lit.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tqAxNQrDNH...oardners_1.jpg

As seen in Ed Wood:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ejYvAHNR_p...ers_EdWood.jpg

Currently:

http://blog.allanellenberger.com/wp-...oardners-2.jpgAllan Ellenberger

Handsome Stranger Nov 3, 2014 9:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6792198)
Several minutes ago I came across this astonishing photograph of Signal Hill (near Long Beach) taken in 1924.
It's the year before the Canadian Picnic in the previous post.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/746/MxHXR0.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1924-Signal-...16.m2518.l4276

Speaking of Signal Hill (and assuming this photo hasn't already been posted here)...Oil Rigs on Signal Hill, California, 1941. Photo by B. Anthony Stewart.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/5555a5478...2gqo1_1280.jpg

source: Tumblr

Martin Pal Nov 3, 2014 9:56 PM

The oldest photo I can currently find of Boardner's (opened in 1942) was taken at about half of it's current age of 72, c.1977-1979. There was an underground Clubhouse called Masque that developed for a few years in the late 70's, from '77-'79. The address to the Masque was 1655 N. Cherokee Avenue. The entrance was from an alley behind that ran between Cherokee and Las Palmas. (More info on Masque HERE.)

The following photo is of patrons in the alley waiting to enter the establshment. Boardner's is across the street.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/gogonotes/R8xEt...0/IMG_1862.JPGphoto by Alain Saint-Alix

Those Who Squirm! Nov 4, 2014 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 6791831)
Absolutely no need to apologize; it was an honest mistake. And thanks for the additional photos of Manhattan Beach! I went to the (grammatically incorrect) La Mar theater

If memory serves, it can be la mar or el mar depending on the context. German has something similar with its corresponding word Der See/Die See, though I think the rules on which it should be work differently from in Spanish.

Lwize Nov 4, 2014 2:02 AM

Sunset Blvd 1904 grand opening:

http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...436-83204.jpeg
(Automobile Club of Southern California Archives)
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...467-83206.jpeg
(USC Libraries - California Historical Society Collection)
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...394-83208.jpeg
(Automobile Club of Southern California Archives)

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How L.A. Celebrated Sunset Boulevard's Opening in 1904
by Nathan Masters
November 3, 2014 10:00 AM

Sunset may have been its name, but the boulevard's grand opening on May 14, 1904, marked the dawning of a new age in Los Angeles. A parade of a dozen or so automobiles -- accompanied by horse-drawn carriages, tally-hos, and electric rail cars -- puttered over the freshly macadamized roadway that now connected Los Angeles with the then-independent city of Hollywood. Crowds of well-wishers gathered along the route. Buildings displayed patriotic bunting.

The idea of a Sunset Boulevard had been around since 1887. As originally conceived, it would have run west from the Los Angeles city limits to the sea, connecting several of the towns that sprang up during the Southland's great real estate boom of the 1880s. But while some isolated segments were soon built (notably a stretch through the short-lived boomtown of Sunset, possibly the source of the road's name) a crucial link remained missing: the section between downtown Los Angeles and the rapidly growing suburb of Hollywood.

Property owners in the hilly area now known as Silver Lake and Echo Park soon realized that the road would boost the value of their holdings. In 1892, led by the Los Angeles and Pacific Railway and a Confederate Civil War veteran named George H. Smith, they petitioned the city to open Sunset Boulevard through their land. The city council mapped out a route the following year, tracing the path of the defunct Ostrich Farm Railway. Actual work, however, didn't begin in earnest until April 18, 1903, when contractor Charles Stansbury and his workers began carving the boulevard's meandering path into the area's soft sandstone hills.

When the new boulevard finally opened in the spring of 1904, its future as one of L.A.'s iconic automobile routes might have seemed unlikely. The road surface was uneven in places, and there had been no effort to plant shade trees -- an oversight that celebrants hastily remedied by fastening palm fronds to telegraph poles. Furthermore, the boulevard didn't yet extend to the sea and wouldn't until 1934, when sinuous Beverly Boulevard was remade into the westernmost stretch of Sunset.

Most importantly, the boulevard's purpose was still in flux. Originally envisioned as a rural highway for weekend outings on horse-drawn vehicles, upon its opening it functioned principally as an interurban railcar route, with the double tracks of the Los Angeles Pacific Railway running down the median. Indeed, most people who came to the boulevard's grand opening celebration at the mouth of Laurel Canyon arrived by trolley. But with motorists gliding down Sunset's smooth roadway that day, Los Angeles couldn't have missed the historical import of the moment: the city had just opened one of its first transportation corridors designed at least in part for the ascendant automobile
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...g-in-1904.html

CityBoyDoug Nov 4, 2014 2:49 AM

Rock Around The Clock in LA Noir
 
The film Blackboard Jungle was filmed at MGM Studio in Culver City in 1955. A few of the scenes were filmed at El Segundo High.

A certain song was made famous in that film....hear it at this link ~ scenes from the movie are included:


http://youtu.be/TRhYNLaziO8


El Segundo High School
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps1fbd1894.jpg
LAUSD

MichaelRyerson Nov 4, 2014 2:56 AM

Interesting problem
 
Now I'm being told you may not host images you do not 'own' on Flickr for posting here or elsewhere with or without attribution.

CityBoyDoug Nov 4, 2014 3:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6793830)
Now I'm being told you may not host images you do not 'own' on Flickr for posting here or elsewhere with or without attribution.

Flickr has been saying that for years....only to back down later.
There are millions of photos posted by people who do not ''own'' them.

Those Who Squirm! Nov 4, 2014 5:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6793830)
Now I'm being told you may not host images you do not 'own' on Flickr for posting here or elsewhere with or without attribution.

I thought that was always the case.

MichaelRyerson Nov 4, 2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm (Post 6794005)
I thought that was always the case.

and what about Creative Commons licenses? What is their purpose if not to allow the non-commercial use of an image? What about Public Domain? What is the point of attribution?

ConstructDTLA Nov 4, 2014 4:31 PM

We've explored Elks Lodge 99 a few times on this thread, but not so much with recent images. Check out these shots I took when I went inside.

More pictures here: www.SouthOnSpring.com

http://southonspring.com/wp-content/...arkPlaza-1.jpg

http://southonspring.com/wp-content/...-4-940x627.jpg

http://southonspring.com/wp-content/...arkPlaza-5.jpg

http://southonspring.com/wp-content/...arkPlaza-8.jpg

http://southonspring.com/wp-content/...orial-hall.jpg

CityBoyDoug Nov 4, 2014 4:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLAdenizen (Post 6794405)
We've explored Elks Lodge 99 a few times on this thread, but not so much with recent images. Check out these shots I took when I went inside.

More pictures here: www.SouthOnSpring.com


http://southonspring.com/wp-content/...arkPlaza-8.jpg

http://southonspring.com/wp-content/...orial-hall.jpg

Why have they removed the theater seating? I wonder what they have now.

Is this still the Elks or something else....or do they rent it out to other organizations?

Its certainly a beautiful building.....very impressive.

Hollywood Graham Nov 4, 2014 5:31 PM

L.A. Elks 99 is now Park Plaza Hotel. Elks sold it a while back.

ConstructDTLA Nov 4, 2014 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6794440)
Why have they removed the theater seating? I wonder what they have now.

Is this still the Elks or something else....or do they rent it out to other organizations?

Its certainly a beautiful building.....very impressive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 6794485)
L.A. Elks 99 is now Park Plaza Hotel. Elks sold it a while back.

Those questions are answered in the post I linked to^......


It's called the Park Plaza Hotel but its never really been a hotel. The area (Macarthur Park) is far too rundown to support the building being a hotel.

The building basically does weddings & film shoots year around.

BifRayRock Nov 4, 2014 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past (Post 4545877)
What a difference a hundred years makes...

Cahuenga Pass, 1905.


http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v.../CHS-10514.jpg
USC Digital Archive



It only took 30 years to go from this:


http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...gapass1911.jpg
LAPL


To this:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...gapass1941.jpg
LAPL


The layout of the roads looks much the same today!

-Scott

Post on my blog here.






1927 - Whitley Avenue near Cahuenga and Hollywood Boulevards
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1928 - Cahuenga Pass Summit
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~1935 - Widening Cahuenga
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A better view of that new basement?




~1935 Cahuenga widening
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BifRayRock Nov 4, 2014 7:58 PM





Nice neighborhood.


~1900-1905 - North side of Hollywood Boulevard looking east toward Cahuenga.
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1902-3 - Paul De Longpre residence
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Watch it go!

1920 - Wreck the residence.
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BifRayRock Nov 4, 2014 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4850762)
This photo really got me interested in learning about the site of the Subway Terminal Building, being that I'm fascinated by the history of transportation in LA.

Apparently it was the Pacific Electric's Hill Street Station. Here are other images of it:

Circa 1922
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics07/00013190.jpg
LAPL

Circa 1920. This was the photo I saw some time ago that I happened upon but didn't remember the locale:
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8...tation1920.jpg
USC Archive

You can read about it here: Pacific Electric Hill Street Station

Here are some pics of the station inside the Subway Terminal Building, all courtesy of LAPL:

Alfred Vick, head gateman at the Pacific Electric Subway Terminal Building, waits to close them on May 24, 1946, due to a rail strike.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics26/00047592.jpg

The last passengers to buy tickets home on May 24, 1946, from the Pacific Electric's Subway Terminal, before a rail strike.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics26/00047594.jpg

Two Pacific Electric employees return the last running streetcar to the Subway Terminal Building as a transit strike is about to begin. Photo dated: May 24, 1946.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067017.jpg

Interior view of the Subway Terminal building with its coffered ceilings and porcelain columns. Building is unusually crowded with people buying tickets or boarding cars, because of the transit strike.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics14/00006985.jpg

1946. There's no room available on the 5:22 Pacific Electric Red Car leaving the Subway Terminal Building for Van Nuys. It's the last car of the evening. A man in front reads the Herald Examiner whose headline is "Rail Strike Begins; Station's Trains Tied Up". Overhead advertisements include "Bestform Brassiere", "Ex-Lax" and "Police Shok", a show at the Shrine Auditorium.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071919.jpg








The beginning.



1925 - Subway Terminal Building Construction


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CityBoyDoug Nov 5, 2014 1:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6795123)

Fabulous photos BRR but can you imagine living next door to that construction site....the poor souls.

Godzilla Nov 5, 2014 1:51 AM

CBDoug: What noise and dirt? :previous:

Houck's: 331 W 5th Street per '23 CD. "We were 10 years at Fifth and Hill sts." Nothing better than Cigars and OJ Make mine double churned!


Can anyone identify the Victorian peering down at the action in the second photo?


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