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Mr Downtown Feb 11, 2010 8:07 PM

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Eliminate pay guarantee for show-up $3.0
Isn't that fairly standard in industry? These are not office jobs where work not done one day will still be there the next. Maybe Viva can explain exactly how this works and whether it's solely for the extra board or also applies to regular tricks.

VivaLFuego Feb 11, 2010 8:24 PM

^ I'm not 100% sure but I think that one is only for the extra board (in layman's terms, part of an operator's scheduled work is being available and ready at the garage to run special events service or cover the runs of absentees). The language suggests it's primarily for the extra board ("show up"), as the proposal for the minimum pay guarantee (which refers to the guarantee to be paid for 40 hours even if only picked/scheduled for 38 hours of service, for example) is listed as a separate line item in the proposal list.

Obviously, most of these proposals are smaller items around the margins. The biggest cost drivers, by a very large margin, are the base wage, pension benefits, medical benefits, and the ratio of part-time to full-time work. These latter 4 form the basis of the structural deficit, as they specified by means completely independent from those specifying the exact size of CTA revenue sources.

Via Chicago Feb 12, 2010 7:42 PM

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...ons-lines.html

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Metra considering selling naming rights for stations, lines

Metra officials are floating the idea of selling naming rights for train stations, lines and even bridges to raise revenue.

As of yet, the agency doesn't know how much naming rights would bring in or what organizations or corporations might be interested. The issue came up at a Metra board meeting today.
"The whole idea is just to put it out there and see who may," Metra spokeswoman Judy Pardonnet said after the meeting.

"From time to time we have had interest, we have had inquiries," especially when a hospital or business is near a train station or particular line, she said.

It's something transit agencies in other cities have done successfully, she noted. "At this point, for us, it's just exploratory."

mwadswor Feb 12, 2010 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Via Chicago (Post 4696489)

Seems like a brillinat idea to me depending on the terms and as long as they adopt some standards for who is allowed to name things (no names promoting a current political or religious agenda). Aren't they already doing this with a station sponsored by Apple?

Via Chicago Feb 12, 2010 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mwadswor (Post 4696503)
Seems like a brillinat idea to me depending on the terms and as long as they adopt some standards for who is allowed to name things (no names promoting a current political or religious agenda). Aren't they already doing this with a station sponsored by Apple?

The CTA is doing the Apple thing. Anyway, my feelings are mixed. In some cases, I think it makes sense and there are already names related to nearby attractions (for example, Brookfield Zoo). But it would get ridiculous if Borders decided to buy say the Naperville stop and rename it after themselves. You need at least a passing reference to where you actually are geographically, especially on Metra where you're going through dozens of different suburbs.

I also personally feel like naming rights cheapen the experience and the public realm. In any case, who knows if this will even happen. Remember that Metra did a trial run with wrap advertising, and I havent even seen those in a couple years.

Mr Downtown Feb 12, 2010 7:56 PM

I wonder if they'll send a bill for back services to Mars.

mwadswor Feb 12, 2010 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Via Chicago (Post 4696517)
The CTA is doing the Apple thing. Anyway, my feelings are mixed. In some cases, I think it makes sense and there are already names related to nearby attractions (for example, Brookfield Zoo). But it would get ridiculous if Borders decided to buy say the Naperville stop and rename it after themselves. You need at least a passing reference to where you actually are geographically, especially on Metra where you're going through dozens of different suburbs.

You could add the sponsor name to the existing name, eg. the Borders' Naperville station or the Naperville station brought to you by Borders :D like they do with the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl or the FedEx Orange Bowl.

Even better, if you retain the original station name like that it would be more feasible to have annual agreements for some ongoing money instead of a big infusion of money from a one time agreement, then that's it. It'd be a bit ridiculous to have the entire station name change every year, but I don't see the problem with the Border's Naperville station one year and the McDonald's Naperville station the next year. Then, when/if more money is freed up elsewhere, it's not too difficult to drop the sponsor name completely.

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I also personally feel like naming rights cheapen the experience and the public realm
Whether or not I agree with you, unfortunately personal feelings and the experience are way down the list of funding priorities. Minimizing service cuts and maximizing funding for infrastructure expansion have to take priority when funding is limited.

Via Chicago Feb 12, 2010 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mwadswor (Post 4696542)
Whether or not I agree with you, unfortunately personal feelings and the experience are way down the list of funding priorities. Minimizing service cuts and maximizing funding for infrastructure expansion have to take priority when funding is limited.

Its a public good, funding should remain in the public's hands. Either that or just stop pussyfooting around the issue and privatize the lines entirely.

Busy Bee Feb 12, 2010 8:38 PM

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I also personally feel like naming rights cheapen the experience and the public realm
They also chip away at a little thing called integrity.

denizen467 Feb 14, 2010 9:44 PM

The Bureau of Electricity (didn't realize we had something called that) has "White Light Study" signs up along several streets in Wicker Park (Wood just north of Division, et al). There's a several-block stretch where all the streetlights are new, shorter than typical, and have a second, decorative lamp partway up. It would be interesting to see what they look like at night.

Does anyone know what the grand plans are with this? Are these LED fixtures? (Maybe this should be in the Gen Dev thread, but transit aficionados might be more versed in this kind of subject.)

I am kind of impressed with the way the City is using these detailed signs to inform the public.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/antre/3411790584
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3305/...d8cdee8da4.jpg
(Googled this photo by "Antre" on flickr from last spring)

the urban politician Feb 14, 2010 10:22 PM

^ I would probably put this in the General Developments thread..

ardecila Feb 14, 2010 10:29 PM

re: the Bureau of Electricity... Somebody has to change the bulbs in streetlights when they go out, to preserve Chicago's status as the world's best-lit city. Streets and San is the logical agency to do this work, since they have a system for covering every street in the city effectively. CDOT is the other logical choice, but they just do large construction projects and pothole filling. Tracking down potholes is easy, since people notice them and report them, but streetlights going out is usually not something that most people will remember long enough to report, if they notice it at all.

I kinda like the yellow/orange sodium vapor lights, so I'm not too excited about a color change, but I would welcome a better-designed reflector so that light from streetlamps is not wasted by being sent upwards or laterally instead of down.

Merely switching to a "white" light is an aesthetic and not a functional change, so I say forget it. If the city does adopt them en masse, though, it will be interesting to see the effects on night-time photography, although it will probably take 5-10 years to replace most of the bulbs.

denizen467 Feb 14, 2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 4699940)
re: the Bureau of Electricity... Somebody has to change the bulbs in streetlights when they go out, to preserve Chicago's status as the world's best-lit city.

Thought it was just Streets & San; wasn't familiar with their internal components. Also "Bureau" sounds more important than, say, "Division" or something. I dig it.

Hey, are we really the best-lit, by some measure?

VivaLFuego Feb 14, 2010 11:05 PM

Those light standards are pretty common for all street light replacement projects, but in most places they just receive the sodium orange.

I'm with ardec - not worth the trouble to switch them to white. Sodium is more energy efficient (light output per energy consumed) than the "true white" light sources like mercury, xenon, etc. So being the best lit city requires some sane compromises in the interest of pocketbooks.

ardecila Feb 14, 2010 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 4699948)
Hey, are we really the best-lit, by some measure?

I dunno... but we're the Dubai of streetlights, in terms of sheer quantity and excess. Just look at any nighttime aerial shot of the city.

I believe that dates back to one of Daley Sr.'s plans to reduce crime by improving lighting, where pretty much every street in the city was covered to the point of ridiculousness. I'm not sure if it had much of an effect on crime or not. Certainly, it's more difficult to commit crimes unnoticed, but it also makes it more difficult for a gang to attack rivals by surprise, so there's probably more overall gang activity on the street, in terms of drug-dealing and so forth.

Mr Downtown Feb 15, 2010 1:30 AM

CTA union threatens work-to-rule
 
From today's Tribune

"Darrell Jefferson, president of the bus drivers union, said Saturday that if there's no agreement soon to restore service cuts he will ask his membership to adhere strictly to CTA operating rules, including a 35-mph speed limit. . . Drivers also would follow other rules to the letter, such as waiting until all riders are seated or "standing securely" before leaving a stop . . ."

electricron Feb 15, 2010 3:04 AM

I though almost all street lamps had parbolic deflectors that reflect the light going upwards downwards.
http://www.outdoorlightingn.com/prod...0088295760.jpg
There's also some street lamps that use lenses to refract light downwards too.
http://www.freewebs.com/streetlanter...reet-light.jpg
Even decorative lamps have reflectors, or use lenses.
http://germes-online.com/direct/dbim...treet_Lamp.jpg
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/Gl...017/874410.jpg
Most of the light pollution you see from space is light reflected back up from objects on the ground.

Ch.G, Ch.G Feb 15, 2010 6:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 4700121)
From today's Tribune

"Darrell Jefferson, president of the bus drivers union, said Saturday that if there's no agreement soon to restore service cuts he will ask his membership to adhere strictly to CTA operating rules, including a 35-mph speed limit. . . Drivers also would follow other rules to the letter, such as waiting until all riders are seated or "standing securely" before leaving a stop . . ."

It's like something out of The Onion.

denizen467 Feb 15, 2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 4699997)
I dunno... but we're the Dubai of streetlights, in terms of sheer quantity and excess. Just look at any nighttime aerial shot of the city.

I believe that dates back to one of Daley Sr.'s plans to reduce crime by improving lighting, where pretty much every street in the city was covered to the point of ridiculousness.

The aerial nighttime view (especially from an approaching aircraft) of Chicago is one of the planet's most thrilling sights. But I always thought that, to the extent other cities aren't as striking, it's because they are (other than Manhattan, where narrow canyons block the effect) just smaller, less dense, more leafy, and/or less rectilinear -- not because they are equipped less densely with streetlights.

Driving around Chicago's neighborhoods at night I have never thought of the lighting as excessive -- it seems perfect for being able to see what's around you. I've always felt comfortable roaming into unknown neighborhoods at night (other than known war zones, of course). Maybe that itself is an excessive amount of streetlights, you're saying?

Other folks, what do y'all think?

nomarandlee Feb 15, 2010 1:01 PM

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...4354032.column

CTA may give quarter, stop charging 25 cents for transfers at Block 37

Jon Hilkevitch

February 14, 2010

The new pedestrian tunnel inside the Block 37 shopping mall, connecting the CTA Red Line and Blue Line subways, offers more than just a way to duck out of bad weather.

Since its opening in November in the heart of downtown Chicago, the Block 37 project remains a work-in-progress on the promise of developing retail, office and residential space with attention to providing mass-transit users more than transportation.

Enticing aromas waft through the sleek, brightly lit underground pedway from an assortment of food shops and restaurants. The eateries, along with emerging retail businesses, make it so a commuter might not want to immediately catch the next train.

Ambitious plans for a CTA "super station'' at Block 37 have been on hold for almost two years, after the city and the CTA spent more than $250 million on the project. But the Daley administration says it is still committed to finding business partners that will help build the station and operate express rail service to O'Hare International Airport on the Blue Line and to Midway Airport on the Orange Line. That will take at least another $100 million, officials said.

But there's a problem that needs attention first. It has a simple fix that is good for transit riders and will reap the benefit of much more foot traffic passing through the Block 37 facility, bounded by State, Dearborn, Washington and Randolph Streets................
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