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The vintage shots are missing from post 2894--here's the main one.... Notice the signage on 1225 S Grand at left. Its ghost remains.... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...2520PM.bmp.jpgCalifornia State Library https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV |
I just noticed there's a second 'arched' building just around the corner on Pico.
417 W. Pico http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/bQA9l7.jpg gsv http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...673/uDcU95.jpg google_earth __ Thanks for the information on Felix Chevrolet Wig_Wag. |
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in 2010- 2013 there was an application to have it declared a Historic and Cultural Monument. It is in the process now, apparently. It looks like it will be saved. The probable reason that the building is so skinny is that Mr. Stewart subdivided part of his nursery property and the narrow lot behind the brick building was still part of Stewart's land. See the application paperwork here: http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/..._1-29-2013.pdf for lots more info. There is a picture of Mr. Stewart in Find a Grave, or if you Google his whole name in "Images". He is buried in Rosedale Cemetery |
Thanks so much HossC, it's great that you remembered seeing these photos!
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I found a couple similar photos of the owner, Brian Lenzo, standing outside the "Brewhouse" and it does have the same circular window in the door. The overhead has a window there, too. http://www.foodgps.com/wp-content/up...Blue-Palms.jpg Food GPS (The Food GPS link has an interview with Brian Lenzo. Interesting guy. Marine/Actor/Club Manager/Beer enthusiast and would be brewer.) http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/o...brianlenzo.jpg L.A. Weekly This photo shows a chuch in the reflection in the window. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/...547594a3f0.jpg Flickr user lesbal123 Opposite direction: http://www.bluepalmsbrewhouse.com/im...-FrontDoor.jpg Blue Palms Brewhouse Quote:
Does this photo indicate there may be "two" entrance doors, one on either side of the protruding window section? (With the neon.) Not sure. Which would account for the differences to the right of the door. Can anyone read the neon word above "KAPLAN"? So, if the Blue Palm Cafe address is 6124 (as is the Blue Palms Brewhouse) it is on the left side of the building (with the Music Box/Pix/Fonda et al in the center) then we still have the mystery of the original photo posted by E_R (below) of the Blue Palm Cafe on the right side of a building (same one?) and decidedly different signage. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ABluePalm1.jpg |
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http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5SGrandAv1.jpg GSV A view from just inside the door. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5SGrandAv2.jpg GSV The stairs at the back. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5SGrandAv3.jpg GSV This is the wall you'll see if you turn left, but the wall on the right is equally well preserved. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5SGrandAv4.jpg GSV |
John Marcellus Stewart house
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...909/dwSNLM.jpg bing I read through the application paperwork. Here are a few paragraphs. (for those who didn't open the pdf) description of the house. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...537/YabgN5.jpg lacity.org. "It is nothing less than a miracle." http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...673/FUQura.jpg lacity.org. __ There is also a survivor across the street. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...661/olUyfG.jpg bing It's much larger than the Stewart house, but obviously not as old. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/fmy9UW.jpg bing looking especially 'noirish' in this side view. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/QIr4Tl.jpg Once again, thanks old stuff! __ |
The first restaurant I can find in the LA Times advertising pizza was Lucca, at 5th and Western, and that is 1940. The ad tells you how to pronounce this exotic food, "Old as the Roman Coliseum, New as Tomorrow's Sun." It says pizza, available only at Lucca, was introduced to Los Angeles by Bert Rovere. Googling Bert Rovere brings you right back here, to this thread! With pictures too...
Later, there was Pep's Vesuvio in 1943. By 1945, they were advertising that they had served over 50,000 pizzas... Earlier, there was an article about Milton Berle's favorite foods from 1937, and he does mention pizza there... The quoted text is somewhat historically imperfect given that in its original form, James Dean could not have visited the Yucca location in 1957 (unless the author is referring to the spirit world). But the text includes something about which I have long wondered. By whom, where and when was Pizza commercially introduced in LA? Did Patsy have it on the '39 menu? Pizza shops clearly proliferated in the '50s, but was Patsy really first, pre WW2? :shrug: FWIW, one source claims pizza was commercially available in 1905 (Lombardi's, NYC) and on the West Coast by 1935 (Tommaso's, San Francisco) and the first pizza "chain" began in 1943 (UNO, Chicago). http://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/...ias-in-americahttp://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/...rillist-nation[/QUOTE] |
The interior of 1225 S Grand is beautiful!
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...537/rhUGTF.jpg gsv I went looking for bullet holes after GW posted that murder-suicide article; that's when I noticed you could go inside. Is that how you discovered you could go inside Hoss? Were you looking for bullet holes too. ;) It would be nice to know that I'm not the only crazy one. lol. __ |
John Marcellus Stewart Cottage
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find a grave You beat me to it, and very nicely too. I was charmed by that little house and was looking up everything I could find. The Stewart's 17 acres ran from Figueroa to Grand between 30th & 31st Streets, irrigated by our old friend, Los Reyes. However, Stewart sold off the eastern 7 acres (in two parcels) facing on Charity (Grand) in 1874 and also a smaller parcel on the corner of Figueroa and 31st. He kept the rest, eventually building a second, larger home at 512 W 30th, while keeping the 1871 farmhouse: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/BR...366-h768-rw-no la herald 9 Apr 1874 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ot...366-h768-rw-no stevenson's survey 1884 These days the Harbor Freeway right through the middle of the original 17 acres: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mk...366-h768-rw-no google maps Curbed LA has a couple of interesting articles here and here: Quote: "The Folk Victorian-style cottage was built by nursery owner JM Stewart and is one of "only a handful of identified, extant wood-framed residences dating from the years just after the Civil War and before the transcontinental railroad linked Los Angeles directly with the rest of America, in 1876." Back then, the area was basically rural (nearby USC wasn't established until 1880): the house "was reported in its era as being the 'first' residence built south of Sixth Street in the "southern reaches of the city," according to its nomination for historic-cultural monument status. Stewart ploughed under the vineyards that had been on the 17 acres surrounding the house and "turned the soil over to the development of a nursery supplying orchard and decorative plants to other Angelenos" (he became famed for his fruit and pepper trees, among other things)". https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/h2...366-h768-rw-no la herald, 12 Jan 1875 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lt...366-h768-rw-no la herald 11 Dec 1875 Stewart also profited (after 1880) from the Victorian passion for pampas grass plumes: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/iG...366-h768-rw-no la herald 12 Sept 1884 The owners may be looking for a buyer who will move the farmhouse. I could not find contact info for them. The City Heritage commission file is here And like you said, here he is: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...33821%2BPM.jpg find a grave John Stewart and his wife Melissa both died in 1913. One of their married daughters, Nettie, died in 1907. Her funeral was held at the Stewart's property (probably at the larger home the Stewarts built ca 1890, facing on 30th St). It would be real wickedness to let this one go. It comes complete with ghost or intruder or something: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...40459%2BPM.jpg gsv ............................................................................. updates: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=38385 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=38386 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=38389 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=38395 |
:previous: I kind of hope they don't move it. It's simply amazing that it has been on that same spot for 140 years!! It would make a nice little pocket park. The city should buy it.
Here's the second slide I found last night (along with the S. Grand /Felix slide) This one is dated 1956. 'mystery' location http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/P23OiX.jpg http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...item5675104547 |
I just found this a few minutes ago.
'mystery' location #2 be sure to scroll right-----> to see the building at the edge of the photo. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...905/FWcJyA.jpg http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...item487eae1ff3 I believe the sign in front of the building at far right says 'Citizen', but what are the 'markings' at the top of the building? (it looks like runes) The seller dates this as 1954. __ |
More on the John Marcellus Stewart house from post 12855:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4...rtartcompl.jpgLAT |
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps5qskahpo.jpg detail of previous post |
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I have assumed that pizza shops shadowed the proliferation of hamburgers* and other fast food sometime in the late '40s to early '50s -and beyond. That is not to say pizza wasn't sold way-back-when by another less-popular name, e.g., tomato pie. :shrug: Curiously, the prewar CDs had a handful of "Pizza" surnames but not one listing, as far as I could tell, for an establishment wishing to be associated with the thin or deep dish comestible. Now I'm hungry. Quote:
Yes, I am aware of the numerous pre-war NLA images of popular LA restaurants advertising hamburgers. 1938 - Wilshire and Cochran "The Glorified Hamburger" - before the flying saucer. http://jpg1.lapl.org/00101/00101386.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00101/00101386.jpg http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11861 ps: For those keeping score, I think the menu depicts another example of those electrified (illuminated) stop signs. Look carefully. :previous: |
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This is the NE corner of Vernon and Compton: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3...2520PM.bmp.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f...2520PM.bmp.jpg The taller palm and the detail of the porch are keys... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...2520PM.bmp.jpg As is the small apartment house with the central notch down the block, still there: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E...2520PM.bmp.jpg All GSV |
John and Melissa Stewart Cottage
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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...24555%2BPM.jpg gsv I'd like to see the city buy it and make it a house museum in Grand Park. It would make a great field trip destination. It's a real, and rare, prize. Some adobes have been saved and big mansions too, but the thousands of little frame homes that were built here from 1870-1900, which are so much a part of our history, hardly get a look-in. BTW, why is Grand Park called that? The park, between the courthouse and the HOA, was dedicated to the Los Pobladores when it was created in 1960. What happened to that? I'm just cynical enough to think Eli Broad's Grand Avenue Committee had something to do with it. Trying to entice us up to Grand Ave, so it will finally be "thronged" as promised? (I'm also cynical enough to think "Grand Park" is only a placeholder name until Broad dies.) |
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Sometimes the best part of a restaurant is out back... https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8876/1...b239028c_o.pngLucca's parking lot, 1940 USC Digital/"Dick" Whittington Photography Collection, 1924-1987 |
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Federal Cold Storage--we've seen it here before, or maybe, if there were any, one of its other locations with signature architectural detail.... at the SE corner of Vernon and Downey: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--...7%252520PM.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...2520PM.bmp.jpg Both GSV Edit-- priors on Federal Cold Storage (apparently the "S" is for "Standard"): http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=19861 |
:previous: Gee Willikers....you're batting a 1000 tonight GW!
How did you ever figure out the color slide was the NE corner of Vernon and Compton?? and now this black and white discovery of Vernon and Downey. Your sleuthing is beyond reproach. ___ But I still want to believe those are rune markings at the top of the cold storage building. ;) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...540/D4rgUW.jpg *I can't believe I just said "Gee Willikers" I'm turning into my grandfather. |
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