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twister244 Nov 2, 2021 10:29 PM
Damn, Yeah Lakeside Center has a lot of potential for sure. I agree with sentinel's position on Chicago having a separate entertainment district. I see no reason why the city can't support it. I just don't see the Tribune site as being the best location for this. I'm not so against it I will be out protesting, but I feel like there's so much more potential with the other sites. I can't wait to see the next round of renderings now from the other bids!

Kngkyle Nov 2, 2021 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 9440861)
If Hard Rock at One Central gets chosen, that's going down as the funniest saga in the city's planning history. Imagine being an urban planning major in 2065 and you read a chapter starting with "The city and state was so desperate for tax revenue from a casino that they gave a development $6.5 billion in tax revenue"
I'd be fine with them getting the casino license in lieu of the $6.5 billion handout. :tup:

Lakeside Center is never going to work. The legal battles will be endless. A private casino east of Lakeshore Drive? Not in our lifetimes.

VKChaz Nov 2, 2021 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mister Uptempo (Post 9440881)
Lakeside Center has a lot going for it. Most likely the gaming floor would be in Exhibition Hall D on Level 3 of Lakeside. 300,000 sq ft with 50 foot ceilings and only 8 support columns to work around-
Add the lobby/ballroom immediately to the south of Hall D, which is connected to the rest of McCormick Place via the SkyBridge, and you add another 50,000 sq ft. At 350,000 sq ft, it would immediately become one of the largest gaming floors in the US, possibly too much gaming floor to start, as a number of gaming positions awarded to the city are intended to be located at O'Hare and Midway.

Despite its size, Hall D, with its massive walls of windows, has a light, airy quality about it. But casino owners do everything within their power to control the players' environment, which means the windows get blacked out or they locate restaurants and lounges around the perimeter, which will have much the same effect. I hope it can be pulled off without Lakeside looking like a mausoleum from the outside.

Having the 4200-seat Arie Crown Theater is another plus, having the potential to draw people into the casino who otherwise might never consider going there. I can recall at Horseshoe in Hammond that whenever there was a performance at The Venue, the table minimums on the main floor were raised about 20 minutes before the house let out.

One drawback I see is that the entrance to Arie Crown is located on Level 2. There is an exhibition space on Level 2, Hall E, but the ceilings are only 15 feet high and is a forest of columns. They'll have to find a way to drive that theater crowd onto the gaming floor. Hall E would be best used for back of house operations.

I'll be interested to see how Bluhm/Rush Street proposes to build a 500-room hotel on site.
I don't know if it is by design, but a Lakeside casino would be somewhat removed from the city. It would generally take concerted effort to get there. For any groups concerned about the lure of the casino on less fortunate people - which is a reasonable concern - that might be appealing. The exception would be Soldier Field and the McCormick crowds, but that is fairly limited and the latter should skew toward travelers except for events like an auto show. I wouldn't think it would attract much in the way of museum crowds. Except for these particular occasions, it could attract fewer local gawkers which might be appealing to a casino that wants space for more serious people.
Besides the hotel, I wonder how signage would work. Offhand, this seems like a stretch, but I will laugh if this happens after a museum was vetoed on a parking lot.

Randomguy34 Nov 2, 2021 11:16 PM
Rendering from the crains article of the renovated Lakeside Center

https://s3-prod.chicagobusiness.com/...3/APPROACH.jpg
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...w-bears-factor

Handro Nov 2, 2021 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 9440831)
C'mon, that's splitting hairs - it's literally across the north branch of the river from River North, it's close enough in terms of proximity.

I'm talking a good distance away, like where McCormick place is located, stretching south on top of the marshalling yards, all the way to 31st St.

Not everyone in the City or even surrounding suburbs wants to be in River North. Why shouldn't Chicago have separate entertainment districts separate from one another? It's clearly big and complex enough to support distinct areas, especially if the demand is there (and it is).
I go out a lot and rarely go to River North, where is the idea that it’s the only “entertainment district” in the city?

ardecila Nov 3, 2021 6:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kngkyle (Post 9440928)
I'd be fine with them getting the casino license in lieu of the $6.5 billion handout. :tup:

Lakeside Center is never going to work. The legal battles will be endless. A private casino east of Lakeshore Drive? Not in our lifetimes.
This is blunted, I think, by the fact that the building already exists. Nobody's ox is gored by this move - no loss of tailgate space like the Lucas Museum, no removal of a major roadway like Obama Center. It also neatly solves the question of what to do with the Lakeside Center building, since McPier doesn't want it. Not saying there won't be a legal challenge, but I don't think the opposition will be quite as stiff as what the other projects faced.

I doubt McPier could sell to a private entity so it would probably be a 99-year lease or something. Of course, this means a loss of convention space so this would probably have to be bundled with McPier's kooky expansion idea to deck over King Drive and eliminate all of their landscaping/plaza space.

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Originally Posted by Mister Uptempo (Post 9440881)
Lakeside Center has a lot going for it. Most likely the gaming floor would be in Exhibition Hall D on Level 3 of Lakeside. 300,000 sq ft with 50 foot ceilings and only 8 support columns to work around-

Add the lobby/ballroom immediately to the south of Hall D, which is connected to the rest of McCormick Place via the SkyBridge, and you add another 50,000 sq ft. At 350,000 sq ft, it would immediately become one of the largest gaming floors in the US, possibly too much gaming floor to start, as a number of gaming positions awarded to the city are intended to be located at O'Hare and Midway.

Despite its size, Hall D, with its massive walls of windows, has a light, airy quality about it. But casino owners do everything within their power to control the players' environment, which means the windows get blacked out or they locate restaurants and lounges around the perimeter, which will have much the same effect. I hope it can be pulled off without Lakeside looking like a mausoleum from the outside.

I'll be interested to see how Bluhm/Rush Street proposes to build a 500-room hotel on site.
I'm guessing they will indeed put the gaming on the lower level, where they have more flexibility to install theming etc. The upper level would probably remain as exhibition space, maybe with some signature restaurants or a food hall and the valet/arrivals/porte cochere area. Not sure where the hotel would go but certainly McCormick has several large hotels in the complex already. Can Bluhm get away with using the existing hotels? I think the appeal of this plan is that it requires a lot less construction/capex than the ground-up casino proposals, so more profitable.

left of center Nov 3, 2021 9:39 PM
What's McPier's reasoning for wanting to dump the Lakeside Center? It seems to be in good shape, with huge wide open floor spans and very few support columns?

galleyfox Nov 3, 2021 9:56 PM
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Originally Posted by left of center (Post 9441830)
What's McPier's reasoning for wanting to dump the Lakeside Center? It seems to be in good shape, with huge wide open floor spans and very few support columns?
It’s reported to need $300 million in repairs especially to the roof. Before the casino proposal, Farpoint was trying to see if it was useable for film production sets. But otherwise it’s a bit of a white elephant.

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Keeping Lakeside going over the next 15 years would require nearly $300 million for maintenance, says McPier CEO Lori Healey. Its most pressing and pricey issues are a roof replacement of almost $40 million and expensive concrete patchwork projects. Those aren't worth the money, Healey says, considering that Lakeside's 283,000-square-foot Hall E exhibition space was used just 5 percent of the time last year, mainly by trade shows big enough to need space at all four McCormick Place buildings.
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...enter-overhaul

bnk Nov 4, 2021 12:33 AM
Well you cant take it down east of LSD otherwise friends of the parking lots will never let a replacement take its place, ever

And that 300M cost is supposed to be over 15 years, BTW I have no dog in this fight. I just want maximum opportunity for friendly tourists to lose a 1 K every time they spend half of the week just like Vegas and still have fun doing so

So that said


Im not so sure those marshalling yards have the ability to build an entertainment district around them.


Most here vocal about that site think that only leggioneers and funny old men with fez hats with lots of money will go to this casino.



IMO becides building an entertainment district around the site is to keep it so exclusive and protected a gang cannot establish a protection ring, that could happen in the further south it goes. Its not like Kim Foxx would not just adore that since she is one of the biggest gang banger in entire county of Cook

Mister Uptempo Nov 4, 2021 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9441539)
I'm guessing they will indeed put the gaming on the lower level, where they have more flexibility to install theming etc. The upper level would probably remain as exhibition space, maybe with some signature restaurants or a food hall and the valet/arrivals/porte cochere area. Not sure where the hotel would go but certainly McCormick has several large hotels in the complex already. Can Bluhm get away with using the existing hotels? I think the appeal of this plan is that it requires a lot less construction/capex than the ground-up casino proposals, so more profitable.
You are very possibly right about the casino being located on Level 2. The rendering from Crain's (h/t Randomguy34) does indicate the windows in Hall D will remain as they are.

Hall E, 283,000 sq ft, 15 ft ceilings and loaded with support columns, will make any casino built there look like it's located in someone's basement, which, in essence, it is. Doesn't scream "world class". When the Chicago Auto Show was held in Lakeside Center, Hall E was always the place to see the latest in conversion vans, a smattering of Excaliburs, and watch demonstrations for vegetable slicers, miracle chamois, and once-a-year car polish. Had a funky bad basement vibe even back then.

https://i.imgur.com/zdcCNZR.jpg

I had a question about the possibility of a hotel or future expansion at Lakeside - Parking Lot C, located just south of Lakeside, is an existing structure built east of D-LSD, albeit underground. Could a new structure be built on top of Lot C and still stay within the letter of the Lakefront Protection Ordinance? It could be argued anything built on top of Lot C is an improvement of an existing structure and its footprint would not be enlarged in any way.

ardecila Nov 4, 2021 4:09 PM
^ I remember that strange sideshow space during auto shows. Definitely a weird vibe down there.

Maybe you could build on top of Parking C, but seems like you're playing with fire there if you wanna put a new highrise or even midrise east of LSD.

I do wonder if the upper level of Lakeside Center could be converted to an atrium-style hotel, with a series of 3-4 story "motels" constructed under the giant roof and the space between reserved for landscaping, pools, bars, etc. Might explain what appear to be sections of glass roof in the rendering.

left of center Nov 4, 2021 5:45 PM
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Originally Posted by galleyfox (Post 9441858)
It’s reported to need $300 million in repairs especially to the roof. Before the casino proposal, Farpoint was trying to see if it was useable for film production sets. But otherwise it’s a bit of a white elephant.


https://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...enter-overhaul
Hopefully if they do dump Lakeside, they will already have new space online or coming online. I think one of McCormick's biggest draws is the fact that its such a huge exposition/convention center (largest in North America). Granted, the convention industry has been hit hard by Covid and I'm sure most of their space is currently underutilized, but it would be short sited to give away millions of square feet of space without a plan for replacing it once everything returns to normal and trade shows start coming back in full force.

Klippenstein Nov 9, 2021 1:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9441539)
Not sure where the hotel would go but certainly McCormick has several large hotels in the complex already. Can Bluhm get away with using the existing hotels? I think the appeal of this plan is that it requires a lot less construction/capex than the ground-up casino proposals, so more profitable.
Some insight in the Tribune article published today...

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Farpoint would be seeking a 99-year lease with the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority. The preliminary budget for the redevelopment project is $1 billion, Goodman said.
The adaptive reuse of an existing convention hall may have one significant advantage over competing proposals with new buildings — an expedited timeline.
“We don’t have to build a temporary casino,” Goodman said. “And we can add hotel rooms, if desired, but there’s 2,900 hotel rooms that already exist on day one.”

VKChaz Nov 9, 2021 5:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Klippenstein (Post 9445657)
Some insight in the Tribune article published today...
Interested in seeing more about the lease terms and and what it would mean for MPEA. At one point I had read that some trade shows could be reluctant to book adjacent to a casino, but I don't know how true or extensive that might be.

psxvz Nov 11, 2021 1:22 AM
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/11...nter-lightfoot

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One Bally’s proposal already faces stiff opposition from a South Side alderman whose cards have been on the table for years against bringing a casino to her Bronzeville ward.

Their other bid is being met with open arms by another alderman who says the site of the River West plant that currently prints both of Chicago’s major daily newspapers would be an “ideal” site for a casino operator to essentially start printing money.

Chicago_Forever Nov 12, 2021 7:40 PM
Proposed Chicago South Loop casino Rivers 78
GREG HINZ ON POLITICS
23 MINUTES AGO
Here are new details on proposed South Loop casino
The team led by billionaire casino mogul Neil Bluhm offers a look at the proposed casino and says people of color will lead the design and construction.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...tails-revealed

Article doesn't provide much info but this is the bid/proposal I've been waiting to see the most as it's in my preferred location. The one rendering looks like this could be something special, if built as shown, but we all know that's not always the case with related. Can't wait to see more rendering and for more details to come out.

bnk Nov 12, 2021 7:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chicago_Forever (Post 9449436)
Proposed Chicago South Loop casino Rivers 78
GREG HINZ ON POLITICS
23 MINUTES AGO
Here are new details on proposed South Loop casino
The team led by billionaire casino mogul Neil Bluhm offers a look at the proposed casino and says people of color will lead the design and construction.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...tails-revealed

Article doesn't provide much info but this is the bid/proposal I've been waiting to see the most as it's in my preferred location. The one rendering looks like this could be something special, if built as shown, but we all know that's not always the case with related. Can't wait to see more rendering and for more details to come out.

https://s3-prod.chicagobusiness.com/...ng-800x440.jpg

chicubs111 Nov 12, 2021 7:44 PM
^ damn beat me to it..lol

https://s3-prod.chicagobusiness.com/...S%3D1636746184

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...tails-revealed

CaptainJilliams Nov 12, 2021 7:50 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/f3jZ8m...jOtu/giphy.gif

From a design perspective and location, definitely my favorite.

thegoatman Nov 12, 2021 7:57 PM
Geez this one blows all the other ones out the water! Doesn't even look like Chicago, build it now!

Randomguy34 Nov 12, 2021 8:11 PM
To get a sense of how tall the observation tower will be, the office tower behind it is 50 stories

marothisu Nov 12, 2021 8:14 PM
JGMA ftw..

sentinel Nov 12, 2021 9:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chicubs111 (Post 9449443)
Fuck, that's sexy, and clearly the best of the bunch..
Too bad the City will screw this up and go with one of the other proposals..

CrazyCres Nov 12, 2021 9:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 9449487)
To get a sense of how tall the observation tower will be, the office tower behind it is 50 stories
Supertall heights?

r18tdi Nov 12, 2021 9:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 9449574)
Fuck, that's sexy, and clearly the best of the bunch..
Too bad the City will screw this up and go with one of the other proposals..
From Crain's:
"The 78 site had long been considered the front-runner to get the casino."

sentinel Nov 12, 2021 9:53 PM
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Originally Posted by r18tdi (Post 9449576)
From Crain's:
"The 78 site had long been considered the front-runner to get the casino."
Oooh, didn't see that - I hope it stays that way, as well as the design looking that cool too..

west-town-brad Nov 12, 2021 10:21 PM
is that one of those carvana vending machines?

southoftheloop Nov 12, 2021 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bnk (Post 9449442)
Hello Miami

chicubs111 Nov 12, 2021 11:03 PM
^ Clearly by miles the best of the bunch...best architecture (as of now), best location, and the potential to be a gamechanger for this new neighborhood. Cant wait till we get more details.

ardecila Nov 12, 2021 11:19 PM
I'm very relieved this is not the suburban econobox I expected from Bluhm and Rivers. Already it would be the best architecture of any US casino outside Vegas. However, I'm never sure how to feel about JGMA's work... it's definitely cool but it's always a little too alien for me.

This thing is a pretty blatant knockoff of Snohetta's Oslo Opera House, which is very weird because that whole design is about letting people enjoy the harbor views but at The 78, it's not like there is some gorgeous view across the river. It's a pretty ugly railyard and then a strip mall with Jewel and Home Depot.

https://i.ibb.co/YWhPTtT/oslo.jpg

Also this rendering leaves a lot of open questions - where do people park? What's the deal with that observation tower (again, not the best views from this spot)? We know how Stephen Ross loves architectural follies, is this gonna be our low-rent but taller version of Hudson Yards' Vessel? Etc etc. Will wait for more details.

BVictor1 Nov 13, 2021 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chicubs111 (Post 9449443)
Any casino on the 78 site should be additional FAR to what's already been approved.

Rezone to a DX-7 or 12.

marothisu Nov 13, 2021 5:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9449727)
I'm very relieved this is not the suburban econobox I expected from Bluhm and Rivers. Already it would be the best architecture of any US casino outside Vegas. However, I'm never sure how to feel about JGMA's work... it's definitely cool but it's always a little too alien for me.
I mean the Lucas Museum was a bit alien but as you pointed out later in your post, this isn't necessarily 100% unique in that it's totally brand new to the world but it's still unique enough. I like it and I think that we should build more things like this. The same old designs in the city are just old, tired, and boring. Sorry to say. It's like Chicago is stuck in a time, years ago while other cities like NYC and others around the world are pushing the envelope a bit, in a good way, with new architecture. For one of the greatest architecture cities in the world, it's a bit embarrassing if I'm being honest to just keep making the same mediocre shit over and over and over again down to the high rises and skyscrapers. We can exclude Vista from that, and maybe the Tribune extension if it's ever built. I like timeless things a lot, but I don't even find that most of the stuff going up in the last decade in Chicago can even be described as that.

JGMA actually makes designs that are a little unique and push the envelop sometimes towards the future. More of this please. This looks a million times better than any of the other proposals we've seen so far.

rivernorthlurker Nov 13, 2021 9:03 AM
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Originally Posted by marothisu (Post 9449904)
I mean the Lucas Museum was a bit alien but as you pointed out later in your post, this isn't necessarily 100% unique in that it's totally brand new to the world but it's still unique enough. I like it and I think that we should build more things like this. The same old designs in the city are just old, tired, and boring. Sorry to say. It's like Chicago is stuck in a time, years ago while other cities like NYC and others around the world are pushing the envelope a bit, in a good way, with new architecture. For one of the greatest architecture cities in the world, it's a bit embarrassing if I'm being honest to just keep making the same mediocre shit over and over and over again down to the high rises and skyscrapers. We can exclude Vista from that, and maybe the Tribune extension if it's ever built. I like timeless things a lot, but I don't even find that most of the stuff going up in the last decade in Chicago can even be described as that.

JGMA actually makes designs that are a little unique and push the envelop sometimes towards the future. More of this please. This looks a million times better than any of the other proposals we've seen so far.
Totally agree with this perspective (and love this design).

As far as projects pushing the edge a bit in Chicago mostly only traditional have been built (though I love a good setback) with the more modern ones are all still in the proposed state. Basically anything with 'curves' I think would improve Chicago's skyline diversity.

Some potentially exciting projects to break the trend to look forward to I think are:

1000M - Although I'm not crazy with the design I do think it is substantially more interesting and modern looking. (again curves)
The Tribune - if built as designed is 10/10 in my book.
Site I - Simple but the small on the bottom to larger on top form (like 1000M) + curves is pretty unique.
400 N Lakeshore - Very unusual/interesting design even at the reduced heights.
Airport rehab - A lot of potential here for giving Chicago a very 'modern' facelift

Just hoping any of these 'waiting in the wing' will break ground by next year.

harryc Nov 13, 2021 1:12 PM
Bait and Switch
 
Hard Rock just opened a "temporary" casino in Rockford, the big one hasn't broken ground yet. Not the job engine one would expect - all video slots - no table games.

One of the pitches often heard is that a casino provides a lot of ( relatively ) well paid positions running the tables - now it is just competition for every other bar gas station, and dedicated SLOTS house in the city.

cafernie Nov 14, 2021 10:34 AM
Casino Carpet Patterns Are Actually A Practical Choice

For one, it makes it easy to disguise spilled drinks, vomit, blood, and other stains. Many casinos operate 24 hours a day; this enables them to keep up appearances in between cleanings.

rivernorthlurker Nov 14, 2021 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cafernie (Post 9450568)
Casino Carpet Patterns Are Actually A Practical Choice

For one, it makes it easy to disguise spilled drinks, vomit, blood, and other stains. Many casinos operate 24 hours a day; this enables them to keep up appearances in between cleanings.
Definitely gotta make sure the blood blends in :D

Welcome to the forum Kiwi!

ardecila Nov 15, 2021 3:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marothisu (Post 9449904)
I mean the Lucas Museum was a bit alien but as you pointed out later in your post, this isn't necessarily 100% unique in that it's totally brand new to the world but it's still unique enough. I like it and I think that we should build more things like this. The same old designs in the city are just old, tired, and boring. Sorry to say. It's like Chicago is stuck in a time, years ago while other cities like NYC and others around the world are pushing the envelope a bit, in a good way, with new architecture. For one of the greatest architecture cities in the world, it's a bit embarrassing if I'm being honest to just keep making the same mediocre shit over and over and over again down to the high rises and skyscrapers. We can exclude Vista from that, and maybe the Tribune extension if it's ever built. I like timeless things a lot, but I don't even find that most of the stuff going up in the last decade in Chicago can even be described as that.

JGMA actually makes designs that are a little unique and push the envelop sometimes towards the future. More of this please. This looks a million times better than any of the other proposals we've seen so far.
Well, I wasn't the biggest fan of Lucas Museum either but it grew on me after I heard Yansong explain his process a little bit. The big difference is that Yansong had ample time to develop the Lucas design and tailor it to the lakefront site, whereas the JGMA casino design was surely thrown together quickly and kinda reeks of haste. You can tell with the various architectural cliches thrown in (Oslo Opera House etc).

Hopefully they can continue to refine the design, JGMA does have a talented staff and they deserve a big, high-profile downtown project to make their bones.

OhioGuy Nov 15, 2021 3:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9449727)
This thing is a pretty blatant knockoff of Snohetta's Oslo Opera House, which is very weird because that whole design is about letting people enjoy the harbor views but at The 78, it's not like there is some gorgeous view across the river. It's a pretty ugly railyard and then a strip mall with Jewel and Home Depot.

https://i.ibb.co/YWhPTtT/oslo.jpg
Good point regarding the view across the river... nothing particularly appealing about it.

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What's the deal with that observation tower (again, not the best views from this spot)? We know how Stephen Ross loves architectural follies, is this gonna be our low-rent but taller version of Hudson Yards' Vessel?
Yes, would preferably like to avoid something gimmicky like the Vessel... though I'm not sure what would not be gimmicky but still act as a draw (beyond the casino) for tourists and locals.

ardecila Nov 15, 2021 4:08 AM
The tower could be genius, actually. The 78 is not exactly in the usual tourist orbit of downtown, so an observation tower could lure tourists and families to that area the same way Vegas casinos have gimmicks. At the same time, it's not so gimmicky that it gets them laughed out of the room (like, say, a roller coaster). And in that location you don't really need to go supertall to get good views, you could probably do it at around 900'-1000' to be slightly taller than NEMA.

We don't usually see stuff like that at non-Vegas casinos because the focus is on habitual gamblers only, but it's good to see Rivers thinking about different possibilities for how they fit into the tourist ecosystem.

rlw777 Nov 15, 2021 6:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9449727)
I'm very relieved this is not the suburban econobox I expected from Bluhm and Rivers. Already it would be the best architecture of any US casino outside Vegas. However, I'm never sure how to feel about JGMA's work... it's definitely cool but it's always a little too alien for me.

This thing is a pretty blatant knockoff of Snohetta's Oslo Opera House, which is very weird because that whole design is about letting people enjoy the harbor views but at The 78, it's not like there is some gorgeous view across the river. It's a pretty ugly railyard and then a strip mall with Jewel and Home Depot.
That's interesting and I wonder if it's intentional. Usually casinos are designed around perceptual isolation hence the lack of clocks and windows and the constant noisy slot machines. Usually they are designed to be viewed not to give people views. So I wonder if the railyard view is a positive for a casino because it's not a great view. Maybe in this instance the architecture is more about being viewed from the riverwalk / river than it is about giving people views.

Rizzo Nov 15, 2021 5:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rlw777 (Post 9451079)
That's interesting and I wonder if it's intentional. Usually casinos are designed around perceptual isolation hence the lack of clocks and windows and the constant noisy slot machines. Usually they are designed to be viewed not to give people views. So I wonder if the railyard view is a positive for a casino because it's not a great view. Maybe in this instance the architecture is more about being viewed from the riverwalk / river than it is about giving people views.
That’s mostly correct but larger casinos will have an entire public side to them that’s increasingly transparent. These may be long corridors and lobbies that connect parking, hotels, restaurants, retail and event spaces. Behind those uses will be the gaming floor that’s blocked from the windows. Being able to see in an active, well lit, well designed interior is a better draw to visitors than blank walls.

This is less common with suburban and rural casinos because the buildings are isolated. In an urban environment, you want people to see activity within.

Sky88 Nov 15, 2021 6:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9451044)
The tower could be genius, actually. The 78 is not exactly in the usual tourist orbit of downtown, so an observation tower could lure tourists and families to that area the same way Vegas casinos have gimmicks. At the same time, it's not so gimmicky that it gets them laughed out of the room (like, say, a roller coaster). And in that location you don't really need to go supertall to get good views, you could probably do it at around 900'-1000' to be slightly taller than NEMA.

We don't usually see stuff like that at non-Vegas casinos because the focus is on habitual gamblers only, but it's good to see Rivers thinking about different possibilities for how they fit into the tourist ecosystem.
Building a 900-1,000 foot observation tower makes no sense as there are higher vantage points. The best would be to consider a tower that is taller, say 2,000 feet. For example, Goettsch Partners' Chicago Tower project could be an excellent choice not only for site 78 but also for McCormick's with excellent views of the lake as well as the city.

r18tdi Nov 15, 2021 6:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sky88 (Post 9451451)
Building a 900-1,000 foot observation tower makes no sense as there are higher vantage points. The best would be to consider a tower that is taller, say 2,000 feet.
Pssh,why not 4,000 feet?

rgarri4 Nov 16, 2021 12:32 AM
Is this proposal supposed to be on the north side of the 78? I know everything except for maybe the DPI is placeholder but this seems to go against there initial masterplan.

https://images2.imgbox.com/b7/61/hYYLxwhr_o.png

sentinel Nov 16, 2021 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rgarri4 (Post 9451911)
Is this proposal supposed to be on the north side of the 78? I know everything except for maybe the DPI is placeholder but this seems to go against there initial masterplan.

https://images2.imgbox.com/b7/61/hYYLxwhr_o.png
Based on the rendering, I think it's located where the parabola shell structure would be..

galleyfox Nov 16, 2021 1:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 9451924)
Based on the rendering, I think it's located where the parabola shell structure would be..
Most of the casino and hotel is actually East of the extended Wells St. starting from Roosevelt. You can see the street parking in front of most of the structure in the rendering.

The observation tower is along the River next to Roosevelt.

The festival stage is where the shell structure in the rendering is.

Finally, the casino bridges over Wells St where the third structure along the river is.

https://chicagoyimby.com/wp-content/...8575052509.png
https://www.chicagotribune.com/resiz...ZIB73ZWVJA.jpg

sentinel Nov 16, 2021 2:11 AM
Yeah, you are correct actually - looking at the images above, I didn't realize before that the casino and environs appear to extend over almost half of the riverfront Promenade..

Klippenstein Nov 16, 2021 4:28 AM
Thanks for explaining galleyfox. I didn't see the road in the rendering before.

This means that much of the casino complex would be on the land where river once ran, which seemed like they were trying to avoid building on. Maybe since it's only the low rise portions it's not as much of an issue?

west-town-brad Nov 16, 2021 2:28 PM
would be great if this casino design connects into the river walk, or can help fund some extension of it

sentinel Nov 16, 2021 2:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Toasty Joe (Post 9452043)
looks more like 2/8 of the segments from the illustrated overhead ^^^
:sly: you mean 1/4?
(Sorry, I measure stuff all day long and I got a chuckle out of that)


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