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r18tdi Jun 22, 2017 7:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop (Post 7842760)
AOR is good work for P/H......they should focus more there.....

And adaptive reuse. They aren't too bad with stuff that either.

SamInTheLoop Jun 22, 2017 7:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 7842591)
6 stories of basement parking means that this building is going to take a while before it reaches above the 1st floor


Then they best get started on the caissons asap!

sentinel Jun 22, 2017 8:09 PM

Got it, that makes sense, didn't see the Curbed article until now; thanks all!

Pappageorge Haymes does do good work, as an AOR.

aaron38 Jun 23, 2017 4:35 AM

What is "grade" for this project? Is it ground level or street level?

denizen467 Jun 23, 2017 5:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 7842591)
6 stories of basement parking means that this building is going to take a while before it reaches above the 1st floor

Not unless 6 stories actually takes them more than a few feet below grade.

It does look like it would be tough to jam 6 levels between grade and the upper roadway level, but putting parking below water level seems unlikely, so today's reporting on "six levels of basement parking" is probably a crude approximation and should have no bearing on how soon the tower rises.

The Lurker Jun 23, 2017 9:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 7842591)
6 stories of basement parking means that this building is going to take a while before it reaches above the 1st floor

Podiums take a long time too, but even if I had to wait an extra year and sacrifice 80 feet of height, I would choose underground parking every time.

BuildThemTaller Jun 23, 2017 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 7843310)
Not unless 6 stories actually takes them more than a few feet below grade.

It does look like it would be tough to jam 6 levels between grade and the upper roadway level, but putting parking below water level seems unlikely, so today's reporting on "six levels of basement parking" is probably a crude approximation and should have no bearing on how soon the tower rises.

Does it matter that it's a river and not a lake? The Red Line goes underneath the river, after all.

10023 Jun 23, 2017 1:22 PM

Building next to the river shouldn't matter. There's groundwater everywhere. You need to build a concrete shell or 'bathtub' regardless.

rlw777 Jun 23, 2017 1:47 PM

If I am remembering correctly they dug down a level or two to construct the WPW parking garage. I assume they will do the same here.

Mr Downtown Jun 23, 2017 2:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller (Post 7843472)
The Red Line goes underneath the river, after all.

In a sealed steel tube that was fabricated in South Chicago, barged in, and lowered into a trench.

BVictor1 Jun 23, 2017 4:46 PM

Bulldozer on site

harryc Jun 23, 2017 6:30 PM

June 23

rivnorth22 Jun 23, 2017 6:54 PM

Exciting!!!! That didnt' take long. And they already have a construction fence up. Can't wait to watch this go up!

rivnorth22 Jun 27, 2017 1:20 PM

Looks like we can officially start a new thread! 2 of the 3 bulldozers were working before 8am today and concrete is already being torn up!

Steely Dan Jun 27, 2017 1:27 PM

CHICAGO | Wolf Point - East Tower | 679 FT | 62 FLOORS - SITE PREP
 
i split up the wolf point thread now that the east tower is in site prep.

Buckman821 Jun 27, 2017 2:11 PM

Bulldozers are at work right now on the east parcel. They look to be knocking down / leveling a few concrete impediments that currently exist there.

I can see this site very clearly out my office window.

Edit: Oops - maybe this thread is just for the South site? I swear when I originally posted it said "South and East" - am I losing it?

harryc Jun 27, 2017 6:14 PM

June 27

Kumdogmillionaire Jun 27, 2017 11:04 PM

Oh baby! Bananas not too far away!

BrinChi Jun 27, 2017 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 7846983)
i split up the wolf point thread now that the east tower is in site prep.

Can it be added to the Chicago thread please? :D

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/tags.php?tag=chicago

bgsrand Jun 28, 2017 5:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumdogmillionaire (Post 7847741)
Oh baby! Bananas not too far away!

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/reale...-point-project

**Patiently waits for bananas**:cheers:

gebs Jun 28, 2017 5:41 PM

Wolf Point developers land $200 million loan for 60-story tower

"Construction of a 60-story apartment tower on Wolf Point is underway after its developers scored a roughly $200 million construction loan for the building, the biggest downtown multifamily development in seven years."

vexxed82 Jun 28, 2017 8:19 PM

I'm don't think this counts as 'official' in SSP's collective mind, but today Hines officially announced the groundbreaking of WPE...

https://www.hines.com/news/hines-bre...ast-in-chicago

https://s3.amazonaws.com/hines-asset...20170628110812

Skyguy_7 Jun 28, 2017 8:31 PM

It's a nice mix of the nearby 300 N LaSalle and 150 N Riverside. :cheers:

left of center Jun 28, 2017 9:07 PM

Dope design. Wish it was still going to be 750 feet. I wonder if that means the additional density can then be added to the south tower?

Rocket49 Jun 28, 2017 11:13 PM

Lovely building. Unfortunately to my eye the attractiveness of Wolf Point East is rather detracted by the unattractiveness of its neighbor, the Apparel Center

BuildThemTaller Jun 29, 2017 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocket49 (Post 7849087)
Lovely building. Unfortunately to my eye the attractiveness of Wolf Point East is rather detracted by the unattractiveness of its neighbor, the Apparel Center

Once Wolf Point South is complete in about 5-7 years, you'll hardly be able to see the Apparel Center.

Busy Bee Jun 29, 2017 12:27 AM

With a little effort and vision (and $$$) Apparel Mart could be made attractive. I think its going to take more than the paint swatches we saw the other day though. It really needs a reclad with some depth adding materials. Hell even 450W33rd St in NY was redeemed.

rlw777 Jun 29, 2017 1:08 AM

Hmmm seems like the crown of the building has changed.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chor...1AUIAAflav.jpg

KWILLSKYLINE Jun 29, 2017 4:48 PM

theres a bunch of machinary picking up the top layer of soil and rock loading it into semi tarilers right now. I saw it on the river point plaza oxblue. I think they moved the riverpoint oxblue to point at the new WP east lot. So we got another camera to keep an eye on a new building. they also have what looks like two trailers for the contractor bosses.

MayorOfChicago Jun 29, 2017 5:24 PM

I like how they have a three car L train in the rendering, which any Chicagoan would know is RIDICULOUS.

harryc Jun 29, 2017 5:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MayorOfChicago (Post 7849834)
I like how they have a three car L train in the rendering, which any Chicagoan would know is RIDICULOUS.

But I like the idea of eliminating the Kinzi bridge - the will help keep the number of cars down ;-)

r18tdi Jun 29, 2017 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by harryc (Post 7849853)
But I like the idea of eliminating the Kinzi bridge - the will help keep the number of cars down ;-)

The only way Reilly could finally get rid of those pesky bike lanes he hates so much :haha:

SolarWind Jun 30, 2017 4:36 AM

June 29, 2017






ChargerCarl Jul 2, 2017 3:26 AM

I went on one of those river architectural tours and saw them digging today.

BVictor1 Jul 3, 2017 1:55 AM

06/30/17

https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/servic...043260/enhance

https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/servic...043326/enhance

https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/servic...043024/enhance

https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/servic...043621/enhance

https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/servic...042764/enhance

https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/servic...043018/enhance

J_M_Tungsten Jul 3, 2017 2:54 AM

^ what is that in the second picture?

BVictor1 Jul 3, 2017 3:34 AM

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Originally Posted by J_M_Tungsten (Post 7852999)
^ what is that in the second picture?

Looks like an unearth footing.

10023 Jul 3, 2017 7:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MayorOfChicago (Post 7849834)
I like how they have a three car L train in the rendering, which any Chicagoan would know is RIDICULOUS.

I think I've seen 3 car trains on the Purple Line (or at least the Skokie extension), but it was memorable because it was so ridiculous.

emathias Jul 4, 2017 1:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 7853150)
I think I've seen 3 car trains on the Purple Line (or at least the Skokie extension), but it was memorable because it was so ridiculous.

It would be very unusual because the CTA runs the cars as "married pairs," and rarely even talks about them in terms of individual cars. The only mention I can find of three-car trains in the modern era are special runs for filming.

BVictor1 Jul 6, 2017 7:10 AM

07/05/17

https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/servic...324976/enhance

denizen467 Jul 6, 2017 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 7843480)
Building next to the river shouldn't matter. There's groundwater everywhere. You need to build a concrete shell or 'bathtub' regardless.

This is totally incorrect if it's a blanket assumption that towers here are always built with a bathtub. Over and over again various residential towers downtown have been seen with no excavation downwards other than for caissons (and elevator pits and other utilities); if you look at early stage construction photos from various projects, say Loews Streeterville, the first part of the building to visibly materialize is the ground floor, not any lower level. It would not be too hard, and would be interesting, to check new residential towers downtown from the past decade or two and see how many actually have basements.

I assume developers just find it cheaper and quicker to build all parking in podiums above ground. It seems pretty common to see underground parking in many other cities, but in Chicago it seems comparatively rare. The idealistic Spire was an extreme example, and with Parkview West / One Bennett and River East are exceptions; even a mega project like Trump Tower didn't go below grade I think. Maybe any chance of having construction start overlap with the dead of winter is one factor that makes planners dispense with basements from the outset. I'm sure many here have a better understanding of what's going on.

As for Wolf Point East, it's of a significant enough scale (including being part of a multiuse complex) that they might be putting uses underground, but even then it could be just 1 floor without really going below river level. I can only imagine the huge cost difference between having a bathtub and having no uses below grade.

harryc Jul 6, 2017 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 7856278)
This is totally incorrect if it's a blanket assumption that towers here are always built with a bathtub. Over and over again various residential towers downtown have been seen with no excavation downwards other than for caissons (and elevator pits and other utilities); if you look at early stage construction photos from various projects, say Loews Streeterville, the first part of the building to visibly materialize is the ground floor, not any lower level. It would not be too hard, and would be interesting, to check new residential towers downtown from the past decade or two and see how many actually have basements.

I assume developers just find it cheaper and quicker to build all parking in podiums above ground. It seems pretty common to see underground parking in many other cities, but in Chicago it seems comparatively rare. The idealistic Spire was an extreme example and an exception; even a mega project like Trump Tower didn't go below grade I think. Maybe any chance of having construction start overlap with the dead of winter is one factor that makes planners dispense with basements from the outset. I'm sure many here have a better understanding of what's going on.

As for Wolf Point East, it's of a significant enough scale (including being part of a multiuse complex) that they might be putting uses underground, but even then it could be just 1 floor without really going below river level. I can only imagine the huge cost difference between having a bathtub and having no uses below grade.

I have watched a few over the past decade and the standard seems to be 1-2 below grade - the exceptions stand out (Aqua, 111 W Illinois, an a few others). Most of the older buildings have the heating plant below grade.

The whole thing gets muddled around the river as the "ground floor" is 2 tall stories up. 321 N Clark has LL1, a full level above the river, LL2 which is a few feet above river level, and then LL3 and LL4 which are actually below grade.

I suspect that to put in a good sized mat you need to remove the old basements, and once you've already dug the hole the new basement is cheap.

no basement
225 W Van Buren
111 W Illinois
345 E Wacker
375 E Wacker
301 Columbus

denizen467 Jul 6, 2017 11:02 AM

^ So, a lot of LSE and the greater IC area have no basements. (Shoreham, Tides, Lancaster, etc. probably join the list, especially considering Lowenberg's penny pinching.) They also wouldn't have had any old basements to rip out.

But what about Wolf Point West?

vexxed82 Jul 6, 2017 9:25 PM

Soon...

https://chicago.curbed.com/2017/7/6/...int-east-tower

F1 Tommy Jul 7, 2017 2:36 PM

They moved the camera to the north and stopped it. Does anyone have a new link??.


https://app.oxblue.com/open/clarkcon...iverpointplaza

spyguy Jul 8, 2017 3:36 PM

https://s24.postimg.org/i8ohn13dx/Wo...st_Chicago.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/cls4pk0v9/Wo..._Chicagoil.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/bxja6m25h/Wo...Looking_We.jpg

BVictor1 Jul 8, 2017 4:07 PM

Nice...

Though I wish the Orleans visual terminus looking south was a bit more dramatic.

the urban politician Jul 8, 2017 4:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7858823)
Nice...

Though I wish the Orleans visual terminus looking south was a bit more dramatic.

My guess is that it will be. I think this rendering is out of scale

BuildThemTaller Jul 12, 2017 1:26 PM

Case Foundation was setting up the big rig on site this morning (7/12). A smaller soil sampling rig also appeared to be at work.

Buckman821 Jul 12, 2017 9:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller (Post 7862777)
Case Foundation was setting up the big rig on site this morning (7/12). A smaller soil sampling rig also appeared to be at work.

http://i.imgur.com/7suN4Dt.jpg

Very low quality photo that I snapped quickly a moment ago. Foundation drilling is underway. Forum old timers will have to remind me at what point we move to UC.


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