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As long as the most vulnerable are getting vaxxed (old people seem to have gotten the message loud and clear), it doesn't matter what the others do. Now if you're a dum dum that has other serious health ailments and you are not vaxxed as of August, you have nobody else to blame, but yourself for getting hospitalized or dying. |
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We have a free and easy to get vaccine, and I will only adjust my life so much for the fools who won’t listen |
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You don’t have a clue what you re talking about with this attempt at preaching. I’m here to give sound medical advice, nothing more. I am not going to be expected to live like a Saint just because a random guy on the Internet manufactured some standards that he wants to apply to me. Your argument has no limit in how it could penalize and shame every medical professional for every little act they potentially make. Science has created a vaccine, I’m telling you to get the vaccine post haste. If you don’t listen, then that’s your problem, not mine. |
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But I’m not going to live an unreasonably impeded life just to protect people who refuse to be protected. |
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I'd be for mandatory vaccination in almost very way possible--to eat in a restaurant, enter a store, go to work etc etc--before I'd be for promoting covid infection, but ultimately for those who are totally recalcitrant, encourage them to do the things that let them get covid and get their immunity that way and stop the virus from replicating and mutating. |
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Does that mean if a visiting player (I’m assuming all Warriors players and staff will be, otherwise they wouldn’t be able play in any home games) isn’t vaccinated he isn’t allowed in the arena and thus cannot play that game? |
Vaccine or negative test mandate goes into effect in New Orleans on Monday for pretty much all indoor activities. This includes all of the upcoming Saints games in the Superdome. Carrots are being replaced with sticks.
https://www.nola.com/news/coronaviru...3b35d5990.html |
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How does one prove vaccination status? Is a photo of the paper card sufficient or can this be too easily faked? The paper card itself is too flimsy to carry around all the time (and too large for a wallet). Electronic passes are different in every jurisdiction around the world and so would be impossible for travel. Sure, if you live in New York, get vaccinated in New York, and can verify your status with some state of NY app that is accepted by businesses in New York, then that works fine… as long as you never leave New York. But that’s not life. This year has already been ruined by travel restrictions and that can’t be a permanent state of play. |
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Yeah it's probably time to overhaul the system and make some sort of standardized national electronic record keeping system, at least for vaccines. Full medical records would be ideal too but that's probably way too much work.
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I lost my stupid vaccine card when we moved into our new house. I have a photo of it on my phone, hopefully that will be evidence enough if these draconian rules come to Pittsburgh.
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They might be able to get you a replacement. I forget if PA has a database of who took it or not. I believe NJ does (I took my shots in NJ prior to the move to PA). |
@photolith,
To replace your lost vaccine card, contact the following: Bureau of Health Statistics and Registries 555 Walnut St., Sixth Floor Harrisburg, PA 17101-1914 877-774-4748 717-772-3258 (fax) ra-dhpasiis@pa.gov |
Federal government to require vaccinations for all federal public servants, air and train passengers
"Starting soon, all commercial air travellers and passengers on interprovincial trains and large marine vessels with overnight accommodations (such as cruise ships) will have to be vaccinated, Alghabra said. He said accommodations will be made for "those few who are unable to be vaccinated," such as testing and screening." That's right anyone who want to travel by air, train or work for the federal government in Canada will soon require everyone to be vaccinated. |
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Oregon has one of the highest vaccination rates of all the states and is seeing quite a spike in cases there, record breaking daily new cases the past two days in a row........
Starting to look like the vaxxes don't work for long or are they actually enhancing viral loads when re-exposed to a covid variant? |
Could be that its mild cases and folks just get tested. Now if we are seeing deaths spike dramatically in those vaccinated, than we have a big issue.
But so far, looks like almost all of the folks dying are the unvaccinated. Unless with Oregon its just Delta getting that % that didn't get the shots. |
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The slow movement to essentially require vaccines is starting to pop up across the country, requiring daily life events to have proof of it. Looks like some momentum is building in that regards.
But we have yet to see what will happen in the Fall. As the young bloods go back to school and eventually infect those that aren't protected (and themselves). Will happen. Kids will be the new vectors of this pandemic. So hopefully the FDA can hurry up and approve the shots for kids. Either way, the Fall will probally suck for those not protected. |
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Interesting to see spikes of cases in highly vaccinated states. The problem with Oregon is they probably don't have much natural immunity there. They never really had large outbreaks in 2020 compared to other states like New York. Btw, I'm seeing that Oregon is 63.1% fully vaccinated in the 18-64 age group and 90.4% in the 65+ age group. |
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That's crazy to think almost 10% of folks over 65 don't have the shot in Oregon. I'd be curious to see what the metrics are for folks over 65 that haven't gotten it. Its beyond asinine for that age group to have the balls to not get it... after all we've done for them and sacrificed. :hell: I hope those idiots in The Villages have the shot. That place is what happens when nursing homes run urban development... much sprawl! |
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Oregons spike is happening mostly in rural counties and in conservatives zip codes along the I5 corridor. Medford, Grant's Pass....Multnomah Co, the biggest population center is nearly 70 fully vaccinated. The statewide mask mandate is back tho.
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That's going off memory, (which is normally sharp as a nail, it's sharp, unless I got the reggae music bumpin'). |
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See, if Trump did it, it's OK with DeSantis and Abbot. Both are setting up monoclonal antibody infusion centers (which is not a bad thing at all but why do they think those microchips can't be infused IV).
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As it happens there are now 3 different monoclonal antibody drugs approved in the US, one each from Regeneron, Lilly and Glaxo. Naturally, DeSantis and Abbot are only boosting the one Trump got which is the oldest I believe. |
Last week Brazil had overtook the US as % of adults vaccinated with at least one shot (above 70% now). That's something we only dream of few months ago with all the political meltdown regarding Bolsonaro's government attempts to sabotage vaccines purchases.
Brazil anti-vax movement never took root and polls indicate up to 94% of population intend to be vaccinated. |
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Just a quick check in from Austin. Delta is everywhere. I know of four people who have come down with mild cases (so far) in the past few days. All of them were vaccinated, two of them with J&J and the other two with Pfizer or Moderna. Delta seems to be very easy to catch, but probably half the people seen in stores are sans mask. Supposedly once you leave the Austin area, virtually nobody is wearing a mask. The number of covid hospitalizations in Austin is at an all time high. Ditto for ICU and vent patients. Texas had 140 deaths yesterday. Texas will surpass New York in the total number of covid deaths sometime this weekend. That is certainly a dubious distinction and nothing to brag about.
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^ You probably don’t want to be a Covid “hotspot”, but you also don’t want to be the place with the lowest number of cases. That just means the rules are too restrictive.
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With exponential growth the "middle ground" is extremely unstable. |
Back to the practical issues with mandates:
https://www.grubstreet.com/2021/08/n...forcement.html People keep insisting on citing the example of vaccine mandates to attend school, but this is nothing like that. You provide the school district proof of vaccination once and it’s done. This is going to be a constant headache, inconsistently applied and enforced, with different rules from business to business, or at least town to town, state to state, and country to country. In other words, something between ever present nuisance and utter mayhem. And I say that as a vaccinated person. Moreover it is unnecessary. Vaccines exist. You can protect yourself with them, perhaps not from minor illness (until there’s a booster) but certainly from anything worth giving a shit about. If you choose not to, then fuck you, die. I don’t care. But they shouldn’t be creating a massive pain in the ass for millions of people, especially service workers, just to “incentivize” vaccine holdouts. The world needs population reduction anyway. |
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The vaccines are proving to be less effective than natural immunity, so much so, that a third booster shot is being administered in other nations and in immunocompromised populations here. There still is an extreme outlier that the vaccines actually enhance viral loads when re-exposed with potential variants, that would be the worst possible outcome because 72% of us have at least 1 shot. |
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