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the urban politician Jul 28, 2021 3:46 PM
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Originally Posted by glowrock (Post 9352036)
Hell of a lot better than the crap that passes for Lolla nowadays. ;)

Aaron (Glowrock)
Well, I may never make it to Lolla. I'm trusting Stubhub to deliver tickets (ie wristbands) to me.

And I'm not sure they will arrive in time.

Warning: Stubhub doesn't have a viable customer service line

twister244 Jul 28, 2021 4:07 PM
My trip to London is fully on for sure now! Yes!

https://www.reuters.com/business/ret...or-2021-07-28/

Camelback Jul 28, 2021 6:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9352181)
Are fully vaccinated employees really “getting sick”, or are they just testing positive for Covid? These are not the same thing.
100.

Cases really mean next to nothing now. Most of the unvaccinated are young people, and they don't die. On top of that, fully vaccinated people are not getting sick enough to go to the hospital. The mRNA vaccines are doing their job. This DELTA (fear porn) wave will pass in short time.

Cases of young people meant nothing last summer - this spring also (because young people don't go to the hospital and die).

Camelback Jul 28, 2021 6:56 PM
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Originally Posted by eschaton (Post 9352195)
PCR tests can show you as infected if you were exposed to the virus and have a small amount of live virus in your upper respiratory track which your body successfully clears before it becomes established. Or even if you are shedding some dead virus.
PCR test is not reliable. Like you said, there are a lot of false positives. It detects viral particles and gives a positive result, when in fact there is no real live virus present.

Pedestrian Jul 28, 2021 8:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Camelback (Post 9352388)
PCR test is not reliable. Like you said, there are a lot of false positives. It detects viral particles and gives a positive result, when in fact there is no real live virus present.
That isn't "unreliability". It is a test for viral nucleic acid and it is highly reliable in revealing the presence of what it's designed for. You are correct that it doesn't tell you whether the virus is infective or not. Research indicates that it probably isn't in mild cases 10 days after symptom onset or, if there are no symptoms, 10 days after the first positive test or 14 days after the likely point of infection.

If somebody has a positive PCR they either have or had covid. You then have to deduct whether they are likely in the recovery period when the virus isn't likely infective or not.

Pedestrian Jul 28, 2021 8:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9352181)
Are fully vaccinated employees really “getting sick”, or are they just testing positive for Covid? These are not the same thing.
I'll tell you tomorrow. I was exposed 7 days ago and began feeling headachy and having a slight runny nose Saturday. I'm having a test in an hour.. If it's positive, I'd say I got mildly "sick". Actually, if it gets no worse I'll be happy because I was contemplating getting a booster in September or October and getting a mild case of covid, likely to be the delta strain, is probably even better . . . as long as it gets no worse than this.

Pedestrian Jul 28, 2021 8:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Camelback (Post 9352382)
100.

Cases really mean next to nothing now. Most of the unvaccinated are young people, and they don't die. On top of that, fully vaccinated people are not getting sick enough to go to the hospital. The mRNA vaccines are doing their job. This DELTA (fear porn) wave will pass in short time.

Cases of young people meant nothing last summer - this spring also (because young people don't go to the hospital and die).
In places where there are high numbers of the unvaccinated, hospitals are filling up. You can pretend otherwise, but they are.

the urban politician Jul 28, 2021 8:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9352468)
I'll tell you tomorrow. I was exposed 7 days ago and began feeling headachy and having a slight runny nose Saturday. I'm having a test in an hour.. If it's positive, I'd say I got mildly "sick". Actually, if it gets no worse I'll be happy because I was contemplating getting a booster in September or October and getting a mild case of covid, likely to be the delta strain, is probably even better . . . as long as it gets no worse than this.
See, now there you go, Howard. You've just encountered your worst fear. After all this time in your basement, you just got...........OMG! Could it be? COVID!!

Congratulations, you're not dead or dying. You've been vaccinated. All is good. You can finally reemerge and join society. :tup:

Camelback Jul 28, 2021 8:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9352470)
In places where there are high numbers of the unvaccinated, hospitals are filling up. You can pretend otherwise, but they are.
I bolded the key word...unvaccinated. 30% of the population is not vaccinated.

This DELTA fear porn wave is nothing to be worried about and is nothing to change guidance from.

Let's move on and get on with life. After DELTA there will be more variants.

Btw, Delta Airlines should sue the shit out of the WHO. Lol.

eschaton Jul 28, 2021 8:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Camelback (Post 9352382)
100.

Cases really mean next to nothing now. Most of the unvaccinated are young people, and they don't die. On top of that, fully vaccinated people are not getting sick enough to go to the hospital. The mRNA vaccines are doing their job. This DELTA (fear porn) wave will pass in short time.

Cases of young people meant nothing last summer - this spring also (because young people don't go to the hospital and die).
If you just divide the official number of daily COVID cases by the official number of daily deaths, it still works out to an 0.46% fatality rate. Which is better than back in 2020, but not by an order of magnitude.

Unless you think there are a lot of people getting infected with COVID right now who are asymptomatic/never get tested, we're still looking at another 200,000 or so dead before we hit herd immunity - without a spike in vaccination rates.

Pedestrian Jul 28, 2021 8:21 PM
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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 9352477)
See, now there you go, Howard. You've just encountered your worst fear. After all this time in your basement, you just got...........OMG! Could it be? COVID!!

Congratulations, you're not dead or dying. You've been vaccinated. All is good. You can finally reemerge and join society. :tup:
We'll see Antoine.

But as I've told you, I don't even have a basement to hide in and have never withdrawn from society. I just don't do stupid things like dine indoors when outdoors is delightful and attend crowded festivals of bad music. I do pray for you living in a climate where outdoor dining is too hot in summer and too cold in winter and pathetic taste in music is tolerated.

PS: My worst fear would be getting really sick, going to an ER and having you as my doctor.

Pedestrian Jul 28, 2021 8:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Camelback (Post 9352478)
I bolded the key word...unvaccinated. 30% of the population is not vaccinated.

This DELTA fear porn wave is nothing to be worried about and is nothing to change guidance from.

Let's move on and get on with life. After DELTA there will be more variants.

Btw, Delta Airlines should sue the shit out of the WHO. Lol.
The unvaccinated percentage is much higher in the belt from Alabama through Mississippi, east Texas, Arkansas and Missouri and their hospitals are overflowing. Even in Jacksonville, FL, one of the two hospitals of the U. of FL system is full of covid patients and transferring them to the other which is downtown and gets more accident victims and other non-infectious problems.

Yes, after delta there will be more variants and therein lies the problem. As multiple mutations accumulate, the current vaccines will get less and less effective.

This is mostly an issue for government. The FDA simply has to accept that we need them to learn to make decisions quicker.

Camelback Jul 28, 2021 8:30 PM
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Originally Posted by eschaton (Post 9352482)
we're still looking at another 200,000 or so dead before we hit herd immunity - without a spike in vaccination rates.
*

Probably another 200,000 dead with covid. Maybe.

Camelback Jul 28, 2021 8:33 PM
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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 9352477)
See, now there you go, Howard.
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9352484)
We'll see Antoine.
Do you guys have nick names for each other? :love:

From here on out, I'd like to identify as Miguel Sanchez, if possible.

homebucket Jul 28, 2021 8:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Camelback (Post 9352478)
30% of the population is not vaccinated.
Where did you get this data from? I'm seeing that only 49.2% of the population is fully vaccinated, meaning 50.8% of the population is not vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ine-doses.html

eschaton Jul 28, 2021 8:42 PM
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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9352519)
Where did you get this data from? I'm seeing that only 49.2% of the population is fully vaccinated, meaning 50.8% of the population is not vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ine-doses.html

If you only count adults who have have had first shots he's not far off.

Camelback Jul 28, 2021 8:43 PM
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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9352519)
Where did you get this data from? I'm seeing that only 49.2% of the population is fully vaccinated, meaning 50.8% of the population is not vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ine-doses.html
Going with partial vaccination and those above 18. (Remember nobody dies below 29). and those below 12 can't legally get vaxxed,
also none of the vaccines have been approved by the FDA at this point, there are a lot of people that have been hesitant about an injection in their body without FDA approval.

The military (full of a bunch of young wahoos) refuse to get jabbed until FDA approval. Once that happens, boom, vax rates go up, but who cares, they're all young and don't get sick and die.

The most important thing is for old people to get jabbed.

the urban politician Jul 28, 2021 9:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9352484)
We'll see Antoine.

But as I've told you, I don't even have a basement to hide in and have never withdrawn from society. I just don't do stupid things like dine indoors when outdoors is delightful and attend crowded festivals of bad music. I do pray for you living in a climate where outdoor dining is too hot in summer and too cold in winter and pathetic taste in music is tolerated.

PS: My worst fear would be getting really sick, going to an ER and having you as my doctor.
Howard, I've enjoyed several bars and restaurants (indoors and outdoors) in recent months, and will continue to do so. I received the vaccine for a reason, and I encourage others to do the same: but I can't save the world from its nitwits, I can only live my life.

Now off to bed! You've got TV shows to watch!

the urban politician Jul 28, 2021 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9352498)
As multiple mutations accumulate, the current vaccines will get less and less effective.
Perhaps, but.....

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This is mostly an issue for government. The FDA simply has to accept that we need them to learn to make decisions quicker.
I don't agree with this. I think Government mandates should mostly go away (and be replaced with public advisories), and we should just focus on perhaps coming up with a yearly vaccine if and only if they are warranted.

Life must move on, and people need to start making their own choices. Just accept it. You may want to live in your basement during the final years of your life, but most of the world doesn't, and won't.

the urban politician Jul 28, 2021 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Camelback (Post 9352504)
Do you guys have nick names for each other? :love:
^ In case you're late to the discussion, I call him 'Howard' after 'Howard Hughes', a man whose germaphobia drove him insane.

Sound familiar?

Camelback Jul 28, 2021 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 9352623)
^ In case you're late to the discussion, I call him 'Howard' after 'Howard Hughes', a man whose germaphobia drove him insane.

Sound familiar?
I tried my hardest to understand, but no...

Pedestrian Jul 28, 2021 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Camelback (Post 9352504)
Do you guys have nick names for each other? :love:

From here on out, I'd like to identify as Miguel Sanchez, if possible.
He thinks I'm a disciple of of Howard Hughes, i.e a germophobe.

He reminds me of Antoine Béchamp:

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The French chemist Antoine Béchamp (1816–1908) was a life-long rival to the great microbiologist Louis Pasteur. Pasteur invented pasteurization and vaccines for rabies and anthrax and discovered that many diseases are caused by invisible germs. Béchamp was a bitter crank who argued that microbes became dangerous when the health of the host—its “terrain” or environment—deteriorated. Béchamp was comprehensively wrong: Pasteur’s germ theory of disease, which describes how sicknesses are caused by bacterial infections (as well as by viruses that invade our cells), or else by genetics, aging, and accidents, is supported by evolutionary theory and all the observations of modern medicine. Today, Béchamp is invoked only by anti-vaxxers and disciples of alternative medicine who believe that food is medicine.
https://www.wired.com/story/the-19th...he-microbiome/

Camelback Jul 28, 2021 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9352680)
Okay but we'll just call you "dirty" for short
Woah, that's kind of racist! I'm clean af. I shower on the daily, usually twice thanks to my Spanish/Islamic/European peeps that were passed down to the d00d from centuries prior!


Just kidding I get the whole "Dirty Sanchez" goof. That's dumb stuff I haven't thought of since I was 20.

Pedestrian Jul 29, 2021 6:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Camelback (Post 9352683)
I'm clean af. I shower on the daily, usually twice thanks to my Spanish/Islamic/European peeps that were passed down to the d00d from centuries prior!
If you leave your air-conditioned cave in a Phoenix July, you definitely need to shower more than once a day. :yes:

10023 Jul 29, 2021 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9352470)
In places where there are high numbers of the unvaccinated, hospitals are filling up. You can pretend otherwise, but they are.
Sounds like they need to prioritise other procedures over treating wilfully unvaccinated Covid patients, and then it’s no one else’s problem.

MolsonExport Jul 29, 2021 11:02 PM
soapbox

iheartthed Jul 30, 2021 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9353549)
I agree, if I get hospitalized because of my refusal to get vaccinated, triage should place me at the end of the line, although many of you believe I should be denied treatment altogether (although I think that's a silly wish because I highly doubt hospitals can turn people away) however the odds of my being hospitalized due to covid are incredibly low which has been my point all along-so low in fact that they're not even worthy of consideration. This is a simple matter of probability and to say the odds are in my favor is the ultimate understatement because where I live right now there is 1 covid patient in hospital out of 870,000 people but many of you here either don't understand math or don't care about it, instead adamantly insisting that it's possible that I could get killed by covid and while that's true, it's also possible I could get killed by a vending machine machine landing on me and i'm as worried about one as I am the other. All of life is a series of calculations of risk versus reward yet for some reason that line of reasoning has been cast aside during the pandemic in our zeal to save everyone

Having said all that I was listening to Dr. Drew Pinsky on a podcast today and he said he's a strong advocate for vaccination which really surprised me as he's not only a renowned physician but he also got covid and became a long hauler so he not only has extensive knowledge about the virus but also an insider's perspective on having it. Granted most that get covid will not end up being long haulers but if you are one of those unlucky individuals, it sounds rough
I'm not sure of your age, but if you think this way then you probably should run out and French kiss the first person with COVID that you can find. Your odds of surviving COVID will get worse as you age, and you will become infected at some point. The best thing for you to do if you won't get vaxxed is to get infected while you are most likely to survive it.

suburbanite Jul 30, 2021 2:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9353549)
I agree, if I get hospitalized because of my refusal to get vaccinated, triage should place me at the end of the line, although many of you believe I should be denied treatment altogether (although I think that's a silly wish because I highly doubt hospitals can turn people away) however the odds of my being hospitalized due to covid are incredibly low which has been my point all along-so low in fact that they're not even worthy of consideration. This is a simple matter of probability and to say the odds are in my favor is the ultimate understatement because where I live right now there is 1 covid patient in hospital out of 870,000 people but many of you here either don't understand math or don't care about it, instead adamantly insisting that it's possible that I could get killed by covid and while that's true, it's also possible I could get killed by a vending machine machine landing on me and i'm as worried about one as I am the other. All of life is a series of calculations of risk versus reward yet for some reason that line of reasoning has been cast aside during the pandemic in our zeal to save everyone

Having said all that I was listening to Dr. Drew Pinsky on a podcast today and he said he's a strong advocate for vaccination which really surprised me as he's not only a renowned physician but he also got covid and became a long hauler so he not only has extensive knowledge about the virus but also an insider's perspective on having it. Granted most that get covid will not end up being long haulers but if you are one of those unlucky individuals, it sounds rough
So in your personal calculus, what is the downside of getting vaccinated to potentially prevent a long haul Covid experience?

MolsonExport Jul 30, 2021 3:11 PM
Invariably the people who accuse others of "not understanding math" are those with the least amount of education.

MolsonExport Jul 30, 2021 3:13 PM
Having said all that I was listening to Dr. Drew Pinsky on a podcast today and he predicts Britney Spears Will Be Released From Conservatorship: 'She Deserves a Chance'.

The guy is an impeachable source of information on everything under the sun! The wrong-wing's answer to Oprah.

MolsonExport Jul 30, 2021 7:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9354093)
And the most common sense, just as many of those with plenty of education possess little common sense which is precisely why you disagree with everything i've ever said. In fact you're so consistent, if you ever agreed with me on anything I would immediately know your account has been hacked
Did you learn that brilliant insight from Dr. Drew Pinsky? Or Dr. Phil? Or some syndicated episode of Rush Limbaugh?

Have you noticed how practically nobody agrees with you (both here, and in the analogous threads in the CE and Canada forums)?

the urban politician Jul 30, 2021 7:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9353549)
I agree, if I get hospitalized because of my refusal to get vaccinated, triage should place me at the end of the line, although many of you believe I should be denied treatment altogether (although I think that's a silly wish because I highly doubt hospitals can turn people away) however the odds of my being hospitalized due to covid are incredibly low which has been my point all along-so low in fact that they're not even worthy of consideration. This is a simple matter of probability and to say the odds are in my favor is the ultimate understatement because where I live right now there is 1 covid patient in hospital out of 870,000 people but many of you here either don't understand math or don't care about it, instead adamantly insisting that it's possible that I could get killed by covid and while that's true, it's also possible I could get killed by a vending machine machine landing on me and i'm as worried about one as I am the other. All of life is a series of calculations of risk versus reward yet for some reason that line of reasoning has been cast aside during the pandemic in our zeal to save everyone from getting sick

Having said all that I was listening to Dr. Drew Pinsky on a podcast today and he said he's a strong advocate for vaccination which really surprised me as he's not only a renowned physician but he also got covid and became a long hauler so he not only has extensive knowledge about the virus but also an insider's perspective on having it. Granted most that get covid will not end up being long haulers but if you are one of those unlucky individuals, it sounds rough
Hold on just a second here.......you mean you didn't get vaccinated?

For what idiotic reason?

the urban politician Jul 30, 2021 7:15 PM
I will say, however, that the media is not doing vaccination efforts any favors by sensationalizing the NON-SURPRISING fact that, yes, vaccinated people do test positive for COVID.

The message that this sends to unvaccinated people is so irresponsible that it kills me. Now people who refuse the vaccine can point to this fact and say "See, I knew it! The vaccine doesn't work!" :facepalm:

The mediocre people who work in media need to be whipped in line by the scientific community and have their message refocused to: If you get the vaccine, your risk of getting seriously ill from Covid goes WAY down. That's the key factor, since herd immunity from vaccination, lets face it--ain't in the cards.

austlar1 Jul 30, 2021 7:16 PM
An osteopathic (DO) doctor friend of mine up in DFW is really pumping Ivermectin both as a covid preventative and as a recommended treatment for early infections. She said that she's treated over 100 people with covid using this drug, and none have been hospitalized. I am 75 years old. My Moderna two shot vaccination was administered at the end of February. I noticed that Israel is now recommending a third shot for those over 60 vaccinated with Pfizer vaccine more that five months ago. I'm seriously considering starting a prophylactic regimen with Ivermectin. My dogs tolerate it very well for a monthly heartworm preventative, so there is that. Any thoughts on this ??

the urban politician Jul 30, 2021 7:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9354104)
Yes, i'm really going to explain myself when you've already made up your mind i'm an idiot not to mention the fact i've already explained the reasons why numerous times. Here's a tip-if you're actually interested in asking someone a question, refrain from insulting them
^ Refusing vaccines (with a few legitimate exceptions) is always an act of idiocy.

That's just a fact.

That doesn't mean that you are an idiot. I'm sure that you are perfectly smart in other things. But in this particular matter, you are being a complete buffoon. Face reality, bud.

iheartthed Jul 30, 2021 7:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9354089)
You, like most people here, have no idea how difficult that would be as there are 52 cases of covid right now out of a population of 870,000 people which means that 0.006% of the population have covid. That means that I would have to kiss tens of thousands of people to realistically even have a chance of getting covid and the odds of getting something much worse than covid from kissing that many people would be a far greater concern
It sounds like you don't live in the United States. I'm guessing you live somewhere like Australia?

the urban politician Jul 30, 2021 8:04 PM
^ I'd get vaccinated if I lived on Mars

The point is that there is nothing to lose with vaccination, and everything to gain. You build a shield of immunity--for free. I take whatever vaccine is available to me, whenever I can.

By not getting vaccination, you're not showing wisdom, you're showing that you're afraid of the vaccine for some misguided reason. You're probably watching webcasts from the group of 12 pseudoscience nitwits that are trying to stoke fear.

dktshb Jul 30, 2021 8:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9354131)
I live in Canada, on Vancouver Island which has always had an unusually low rate of infection, probably because we're kind of isolated


So i'm a complete buffoon for refusing to get vaccinated against a virus that basically doesn't exist (0.006% of people have it where I live) and even if by some miracle I do contract it, i'll probably only experience mild to moderate symptoms. No, on the contrary, I think you and the rest of society have bought the propaganda and fear-mongering in spite of science, logic and probability. It's clear that covid is not dangerous but few at this site understand that but if all I knew was that it had killed over 600,000 Americans (without knowing anything else about the victims or virus), i'd probably rush out and get vaccinated too not to mention the fact that "news" agencies like CNN and MSNBC are constantly ginning up the fear
What do you have to lose about getting a vaccine and do you plan on never leaving the island and staying isolated forever?

the urban politician Jul 30, 2021 8:18 PM
Getting back to life after (with) Covid:

Tickets arrived, we will check out Lolla tomorrow. It's a bit controversial because a few germaphobe butt-wads who can't let go are freaking out over the Delta variant, but I'm not worried. We got our shots and we probably will wear masks during the event except during the times when I will be drinking......in other words I probably won't be wearing a mask most of the time.

Anyhow, I here rumors that some people are getting fake vaccine cards to get into Lolla, which would be very disturbing (and upsetting) if true, since getting the real shot is probably just as easy, if not easier, than getting a fake vaccine card.

MolsonExport Jul 30, 2021 9:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9354104)


Yes, it's abundantly clear that most here disagree with me but you seem to equate that with being wrong but it doesn't prove that. What about the tiny % of Germans like Oskar Schindler that covertly defied the Nazi's? Were they wrong too? Most of you here are living proof that common sense is on it's deathbed
so you are describing yourself as some kind of hero in the same company as Oskar Schindler?

craigs Jul 30, 2021 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MolsonExport (Post 9354225)
so you are describing yourself as some kind of hero in the same company as Oskar Schindler?
And the medical experts on COVID are Hitler, and the science-accepting general public are all Nazis, and mass vaccination is the Holocaust . . .

He's got his head up his cavity.

JManc Jul 30, 2021 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by austlar1 (Post 9354103)
An osteopathic (DO) doctor friend of mine up in DFW is really pumping Ivermectin both as a covid preventative and as a recommended treatment for early infections. She said that she's treated over 100 people with covid using this drug, and none have been hospitalized. I am 75 years old. My Moderna two shot vaccination was administered at the end of February. I noticed that Israel is now recommending a third shot for those over 60 vaccinated with Pfizer vaccine more that five months ago. I'm seriously considering starting a prophylactic regimen with Ivermectin. My dogs tolerate it very well for a monthly heartworm preventative, so there is that. Any thoughts on this ??
Isn't that only used (Ivermectin) if you're actively fighting off Covid? One of my friends had a bad bout with it (and almost died) and was given a regimen of Ivermectin for a about a week or so. From what I understand, it's pretty controversial to administer and many doctors won't prescribe it.

Camelback Jul 30, 2021 10:49 PM
6 to 7 months after the first rounds of mRNA shots went out, we will find out if ADE is occurring with this wave and in future waves. Wouldn't that be a trip if the mRNA vaccines enhanced viral loads if exposed to a variant, 6 months after the jab?

Unrelated to my previous thought^, but I talked to a sailor friend of mine that's going out on deployment next week, the Navy did an about face and will not let them out at ports again. 8 months, trapped on a ship, oh and they all have to wear masks, despite the entire ship being vaxxed. They're not too happy rn.

the urban politician Jul 30, 2021 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9354198)

My "misguided" reason for not getting vaccinated is because everyone i've ever spoken to that has been vaccinated reported unpleasant side effects. I'll pass on those thanks particularly since I have pretty much no chance of getting covid
So I’m correct—you have an irrational fear of vaccines. You’re one of those kooky anti-vaccers

austlar1 Jul 31, 2021 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9354265)
Isn't that only used (Ivermectin) if you're actively fighting off Covid? One of my friends had a bad bout with it (and almost died) and was given a regimen of Ivermectin for a about a week or so. From what I understand, it's pretty controversial to administer and many doctors won't prescribe it.
Ivermectin is very controversial mostly due to lack of clinical studies for prophylactic use. It is apparently used in many hospital settings to treat newly admitted patients with good results, and there have now been several clinical studies that seem to back up that assertion. How did your friend do on Ivermectin? My doctor friend just provided me with a prescription, and I am thinking about taking it as a prophylactic, or I may just keep it handy in the event I actually get sick. I haven't decided yet. I'll happily take a third vaccination if and when they become available. We just hit Stage 5 (highest level of precaution) here in Travis County/Austin today. Supposedly only about a dozen available ICU beds, which seems strange to me since the number hospitalized is still well below the raw numbers from this past winter.

Acajack Jul 31, 2021 1:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MolsonExport (Post 9354225)
so you are describing yourself as some kind of hero in the same company as Oskar Schindler?
I don't mean to pile on but if we're being brutally honest there is a lot of selfishness in the mindset of those who say they "don't need the vaccine".

Putting this BS behind us and a return to normal will require as many people as possible getting vaccinated.

So all of those choosing to not get vaccinated for whatever reason are in a way riding on and ultimately benefiting from the (admittedly minor) risk that we've all taken by getting a vaccine that, yes, has been fast-tracked like no other vaccine before.

If we all thought and acted the same way as them, we probably wouldn't be getting back to normal any time soon. But when we do, they'll still be at the front of the line along with the rest of us.

So yeah, colour me unimpressed.:(

the urban politician Jul 31, 2021 1:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity (Post 9354198)
Yeah because you've bought the hysteria and fear-mongering but I figured out about a year ago, that that's all it was and that this virus isn't dangerous which i've proved in the countless posts i've made in this thread. What I have yet to see in this discussion is proof that covid is dangerous, not one person here has articulated that
I don’t disagree that this virus, and especially the nonsensical fear mongering about the “oh so scary variants” has been hyped up by the media. Ignore the media, it’s a virtuous thing to do.

But the virus has indeed proven deadly when it spreads through large numbers of people. It did kill over 600k Americans and it completely is ravaging India. For sure over a million people have died of Covid in India just over the past several months. I have coworkers and patients who have friends and family in India and have spoken to how bad it is. Massive human tragedy, and they have very little available vaccine over there.

JManc Jul 31, 2021 1:43 AM
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Ivermectin is very controversial mostly due to lack of clinical studies for prophylactic use. It is apparently used in many hospital settings to treat newly admitted patients with good results, and there have now been several clinical studies that seem to back up that assertion. How did your friend do on Ivermectin? My doctor friend just provided me with a prescription, and I am thinking about taking it as a prophylactic, or I may just keep it handy in the event I actually get sick. I haven't decided yet. I'll happily take a third vaccination if and when they become available. We just hit Stage 5 (highest level of precaution) here in Travis County/Austin today. Supposedly only about a dozen available ICU beds, which seems strange to me since the number hospitalized is still well below the raw numbers from this past winter.
Apparently he did pretty well with it. Had some lingering heart damage that was expected heal after some time

SlidellWx Jul 31, 2021 2:04 AM
Mask mandate back in effect in New Orleans despite 55% fully vaccinated in the city. Mainly due to exploding cases in surrounding parishes and states since we get a lot of visitors. No other restrictions, so everything is open as usual. Several music clubs and restaurants are now only allowing fully vaxxed inside which I fully support.

homebucket Jul 31, 2021 3:22 AM
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Mask mandate back in effect in New Orleans despite 55% fully vaccinated in the city. Mainly due to exploding cases in surrounding parishes and states since we get a lot of visitors. No other restrictions, so everything is open as usual. Several music clubs and restaurants are now only allowing fully vaxxed inside which I fully support.
Is that 55% of the total population or the eligible (12+) population?


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