SkyscraperPage Forum

SkyscraperPage Forum (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/index.php)
-   Found City Photos (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23)
-   -   noirish Los Angeles (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170279)

Scott Charles Aug 14, 2018 1:39 PM

From the 1993 Michael Douglas movie, Falling Down:

https://i.imgur.com/GWP3EUt.png

We are looking east down First Street from North Edgeware Road. You can see the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion in the background.

https://i.imgur.com/yW57vJr.jpg

I always liked the area up the hill. There used to be houses up there, but by the 90s it was pretty much nothing but blocks and blocks of grass, with the odd, orphaned staircase.

Some time in the 90s, the area was redeveloped into the Vista Hermosa Natural Park. At this point, all but the northernmost end of Edgeware Road was eliminated:

https://i.imgur.com/w4s2kig.gifGooglehttps://i.imgur.com/csjRL0c.jpg

If you look at Historic Aerials in 1980, the area is still filled with houses... but if you look at the next photo (taken in 1989), virtually all of the houses are gone:

https://i.imgur.com/CkUNCTx.jpgLINK

Does anyone know what building once stood on this rather imposing-looking foundation? Or better yet, have a photo of it?

https://i.imgur.com/Qwy4TEP.jpg

PS: both the 1910 and 1920 Baist surveys call Edgeware Road by the name of Kern Street - anyone know why or when the name was changed?

https://i.imgur.com/9nlFz6R.jpg

oldstuff Aug 14, 2018 3:18 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;8280363]Two CYANOTYPE Photographs C.1900 SMITH home 27th St., Los Angeles, CA

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/QqyDah.jpg
EBAY / no longer listed

Smith is too common a name to narrow down where, exactly, the family lived on 27th Street. (maybe oldstuff can whip up some of her magic)
I'd like to see if the Smith's house is still standing.



The 1900 Census reveals that the children were neighbors, not siblings. Robert and Alice Smith lived at 137 W. 27th St. Los Angeles. Robert was a travelling salesman. Their daughters in the picture are Viola, born in July of 1892 and Isabel, born January of 1896. The next two are daughters of William and Mary Mays, who lived next door at 132 W. 27th. They are Georgia, born in April of 1889 and Mary, born in June of 1892. The final ones I can identify are daughters of Albert and Lara( or Laura) Stetson, who lived at 140 W. 27th. The Stetson daughters are Bessie, born in July of 1892 and Winnifred, born in March of 1891. That leaves Ethel Clark, who I cannot pin down. She does not seem to live in the neighborhood but may have been visiting one of the three families listed. There is an Ethel Clark, daughter of George and Hattie Clark who was born in April of 1892. This would put her in the right age range with the others. She lived at 2631 S. Main in 1900., which would put her home just around the corner from the others. It is possible that she may have been a cousin of one of the three families, but I don't have time right now to prove this.

None of the houses are still there. The entire neighborhood appears to be light industrial at the present time.

GaylordWilshire Aug 14, 2018 4:18 PM

:previous:


All three houses were moved, and the one in the picture still survives.


https://s22.postimg.cc/t7d1af25d/3221folsom.bmp.jpg
137 W 27th St was moved across the river to 3221 Folsom St--the relo BP was issued on June 27, 1930. (I don't recall seeing a trans-river house move before....)


132 W 27th was moved to 8923 S Hoover per BP of May 21, 1930, but was demo'ed per BP of June 28, 1974


According to a BP of July 22, 1913, 140 W 27th was moved to the rear of its lot, with an apartment building built on its former site. Both appear to have been moved to the nec of Main & 47th in 1946--and both are gone from there now.

odinthor Aug 14, 2018 4:50 PM

Interestingly, there are East and West Edgeware Roads near Echo Park (earliest I find Edgeware Road in the Los Angeles Times is 1887), East Edgeware deciding to turn south (though retaining the "East" in its name), ending at West Court Street, but more or less "aiming" (rather poorly) at North Edgeware Road two blocks south.

https://s26.postimg.cc/4w4om909l/Edge.jpg
google maps

Just guessin', I'd theorize that the sometime Kern St. got tired of being confused with other Kern streets, roads, and avenues elsewhere in the city, and decided to throw in with the Edgeware pointed at it two blocks north, because of course there's nothing confusing in the least about North Edgeware being south of East and West Edgeware. :koko:

HossC Aug 14, 2018 7:47 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8280582)

PS: both the 1910 and 1920 Baist surveys call Edgeware Road by the name of Kern Street - anyone know why or when the name was changed?

I looked through the street guides in the CDs, and they suggest that Kern Street became Edgeware Road between 1925 and 1926.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nEdgeware1.jpg
LAPL

HossC Aug 14, 2018 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8280582)

Does anyone know what building once stood on this rather imposing-looking foundation? Or better yet, have a photo of it?

https://i.imgur.com/Qwy4TEP.jpg

"Falling Down" and this area have been discussed before on this thread, most notably around late-June 2016 and mid-February 2017. Here are a few of the links I collected back then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7710530)

I'm sure we've seen aerials of the hill before, but for now, here are most of the posts about the Temple Street Urban Renewal Project video from last June. Sorry if I missed any important ones. The first is Beaudry's post which originally highlighted the video.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35419 - Beaudry

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35497 - GW

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35504 - HossC

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35506 - e_r

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35689 - e_r

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35697 - HossC

The first includes the video below, which kicked off a lot of debate. I think you'll like it, Scott Charles.

Video Link


At the 8 minute mark, I think we see the house that was on that "rather imposing-looking foundation". Sorry that it's blurry - most of the video is panning shots.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tEdgeware1.jpg
YouTube

Finally, here's a map overlay I made which shows the route of the film-maker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7487608)

P.S. I've noticed occasional images of mine are missing in some older posts. The missing images are still on PhotoBucket, but for some reason the full size images being linked to aren't showing. I emailed their tech support last Friday about a similar issue with recent uploads, but I'm still waiting for a reply!

Scott Charles Aug 15, 2018 1:12 AM

WOW, Hoss, that movie is amazing! I never knew such a thing existed. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

You are correct, of course - the building you have pointed out is the one with the “imposing looking” foundation I posted above. Amazing!

Here’s a panorama I stitched together in Photoshop of the panning footage on First Street:

https://i.imgur.com/emuEczl.jpg

Click here for the large size, if you are at all interested.

You did a great job on that map layover, Hoss!

Many thanks to odinthor and Hoss for the information on Kern < Edgeware!

PS: Look at this beautiful building with the dormers and the mansard roof! Did they have to tear down EVERY beautiful old building in Los Angeles????

https://i.imgur.com/oazS2SB.jpg

Scott Charles Aug 15, 2018 1:43 AM

Here are some sort-of “Mystery Buildings” I photographed back in the 80s. Some are easy to figure out, some might be impossible to figure out. All of them are within 15 miles of each other.

(Please forgive the CRAP quality of the images - there are not actual scans, they are photos I took of the slides sitting on a light box.)

How many do you recognize?

- - -

1. I used to drive by this cool looking building all the time when I worked as a photographer:

https://i.imgur.com/HH0klG4.jpg

2. This one was just a few blocks away from my then-girlfriend's house:

https://i.imgur.com/WowGta3.jpg

3. I've obscured the street sign to make the location a trifle more challenging:

https://i.imgur.com/YAv4Jcm.jpg

4. This one ring any bells? The sign on the right says "John 3:16", then Coca Cola.

https://i.imgur.com/qWqSLFn.jpg

5. The sign on the rooftop (over the Coke machine) says "SINCE 1923":

https://i.imgur.com/L36dGle.jpg

6. A lousy photo, but a good mystery!:

https://i.imgur.com/5v5Ln5w.jpg

The first one to guess ‘em all wins a new Harley Davidson motorcycle (courtesy of ER, of course)!

;):D

ethereal_reality Aug 15, 2018 2:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff
The 1900 Census reveals that the children were neighbors, not siblings.

Great work oldstuff! It never occurred to me that the children were NEIGHBORS.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/vGDDsd.pnghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/MxKdk5.jpg

And as if that wasn't enough.....GW tracked down the house despite it having been MOVED!

Thanks to you both. :)


_

Lorendoc Aug 15, 2018 2:27 AM

#6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8281550)
Here are some sort-of “Mystery Buildings” I photographed back in the 80s. Some are easy to figure out, some might be impossible to figure out. All of them are within 15 miles of each other.



6. A lousy photo, but a good mystery!:

https://i.imgur.com/5v5Ln5w.jpg

;):D

S Main Street

https://i.imgur.com/VgxEzGT.jpg
GSV

ethereal_reality Aug 15, 2018 3:39 AM

:previous: I tried to find it and failed...so yes, good mystery Scott Charles.



but I did find this one. [1956]
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/K9kRgZ.jpg
LAPL

Lorendoc Aug 15, 2018 4:32 AM

Scott's mystery photos
 
#1 - Auricon building. This company made video cameras that recorded sound right on the film. CDs, newspaper ads, aerials, and building permits hint that this may have been at Romaine and N Mansfield in Hollywood. It appears to have been demolished c. 2005.

#2 The Burbank Bowl (bowling alley, not concert venue) was at 430 S. San Fernando, Burbank. It burned down in October 1985 per the LAT, accounting for its dilapidated state in Scott's photo. Nothing there now.

#3 The Giant Penny was at Broadway and 3rd, building is extant.

#4 No idea as yet; perhaps knowing the name of the Bakery on the left (looks like a Spanish name "La E......") would help. There are several "Play Rooms" in the CDs, but most are way out in the 'burbs.

#5 is a Texaco station downtown (you can see the Library Tower in the middle distance). There were about 40+ Texaco stations in LA in the late 80s, with the closest one to the Library Tower being Hahn's Texaco at 504 W Olympic. The "since 1923" is puzzling as the CDs from back then don't seem to list any Texaco stations.

#6, with a "now" posted above, I'm pretty sure is 827-9 S Main.

CityBoyDoug Aug 15, 2018 5:39 AM

Paid a handsome sum for his Income Taxes in 1940.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E8AE4eKwwR...ary-Cooper.gif
blogspot

Inflation value in 2018......One million, thirty three thousand dollars.

Beaudry Aug 15, 2018 6:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8281711)
Paid a handsome sum for his Income Taxes in 1940.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E8AE4eKwwR...ary-Cooper.gif
blogspot

Inflation value in 2018......One million, thirty three thousand dollars.

Looks like he made about $95,000 (1,722,000 USD 2018); his tax rate woulda been 60%, so about 57k.

Beaudry Aug 15, 2018 6:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8281550)
Here are some sort-of “Mystery Buildings” I photographed back in the 80s.


4. This one ring any bells? The sign on the right says "John 3:16", then Coca Cola.

https://i.imgur.com/qWqSLFn.jpg



;):D

I'm sure we've talked about this gal before, right there at that funny little jog at Third and Main

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1838/...ee10c811_b.jpg

Your slides are fantastic, btw. I wish I'd driven around taking nighttime shots in the 80s. The Pan American/Giant Penny is especially evocative.

ethereal_reality Aug 15, 2018 6:42 AM

I'll add another mystery building for tonight. As you can see this one is under construction.

"ORIGINAL SLIDE SL57 ☆ 1972 LOS ANGELES, YELLOW SUBMARINE SIGN"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/r6kEjm.jpg
EBAY

The movie Yellow Submarine was released in 1968. I'm not sure why there's still a sign up.

ethereal_reality Aug 15, 2018 6:51 AM

Here is a 2nd slide from 1972.

"ORIGINAL SLIDE SL57 ☆ 1972 STREET SCENE LOS ANGELES CIVIC CENTER"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/cryJLI.jpg
EBAY

The Cathedral of Saint Vibiana is beyond the parking lot.

I can't place the apartment building just this side of Vibiana's. (beneath the bell tower)

__

BillinGlendaleCA Aug 15, 2018 7:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8281748)
Here is a 2nd slide from 1972.

"ORIGINAL SLIDE SL57 ☆ 1972 STREET SCENE LOS ANGELES CIVIC CENTER"



The Cathedral of Saint Vibiana is beyond the parking lot.

I can't place the apartment building just this side of Vibiana's. (beneath the bell tower)

__

:previous:I believe that's the parsonage, aka the Archbishop's living quarters and office. It's still there.

CityBoyDoug Aug 15, 2018 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 8281732)
Looks like he made about $95,000 (1,722,000 USD 2018); his tax rate woulda been 60%, so about 57k.

Thanks Beaudry for filling in those details. Yes, the Tax rate in those days was rather stiff. Ouch.

Of course the purchase power of the dollar was much greater then, than it is now in 2018.

Scott Charles Aug 15, 2018 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8281589)

That's the one I figured would be the hardest to find. Were you able to locate it by its name, Lorendoc?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8281678)
#1 - Auricon building. This company made video cameras that recorded sound right on the film. CDs, newspaper ads, aerials, and building permits hint that this may have been at Romaine and N Mansfield in Hollywood. It appears to have been demolished c. 2005.

#2 The Burbank Bowl (bowling alley, not concert venue) was at 430 S. San Fernando, Burbank. It burned down in October 1985 per the LAT, accounting for its dilapidated state in Scott's photo. Nothing there now.

#3 The Giant Penny was at Broadway and 3rd, building is extant.

#4 No idea as yet; perhaps knowing the name of the Bakery on the left (looks like a Spanish name "La E......") would help. There are several "Play Rooms" in the CDs, but most are way out in the 'burbs.

#5 is a Texaco station downtown (you can see the Library Tower in the middle distance). There were about 40+ Texaco stations in LA in the late 80s, with the closest one to the Library Tower being Hahn's Texaco at 504 W Olympic. The "since 1923" is puzzling as the CDs from back then don't seem to list any Texaco stations.

#6, with a "now" posted above, I'm pretty sure is 827-9 S Main.

1. Correct! The Auricon building was on the southwest corner of Romaine and Mansfield (and within a block of all the old major photo labs and rental joints, like A&I, Photo Impact, and PRS).

2. Correct! It was burned down by the time I discovered it.

3. Correct! I was really sad when they got rid of the old Giant Penny signs. I have some vague idea that the signs still exist, or did I dream that?

4. - - -

5. I knew you guys would spot the Library Tower back there! No more specific idea of the Texaco’s location, though? Anyone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 8281735)
I'm sure we've talked about this gal before, right there at that funny little jog at Third and Main

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1838/...ee10c811_b.jpg

Correct! To be honest, I think the building lost a ton of its charm when they remodeled it. Though most of the structure was left intact, I feel like the building lost most of its identity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 8281735)
Your slides are fantastic, btw. I wish I'd driven around taking nighttime shots in the 80s. The Pan American/Giant Penny is especially evocative.

Thanks, Beaudry! I’m kind of an odd duck, so I would routinely drive around downtown at night, listening to music. If it was raining (like in the Giant Penny shot), even better! The wet ground would give you interesting reflections, instead of the otherwise boring foreground of the dry pavement.

On rare occasions, I would take select friends and girlfriends on my rides with me. They must have thought I was crazy! Some would freak out by the time you got in merely as deep as the Bradbury Building - I had one 6'6" lifelong martial artist friend who completely freaked out at that point, hysterically demanding we leave because were "about to get murdered". We never made it to fourth street! But I did discover some really cool, interesting girlfriends in the process. If a girl started freaking out, I knew she was not for me, but if she started shouting "Pull over! Check out that old clock!", then I knew I had a winner.

Downtown has changed so much since then, it literally used to be a total ghost town at night. You wouldn’t even see homeless people really, other than on skid row. That’s all changed now.


All times are GMT. The time now is 3:45 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.