Given how expensive all the desirable cities are, would we really mind at this point? I kind of like the idea of increased affordable housing in densely populated city centers at least for a couple of years.

They're probably pissed the skate park is closed (and it sucks that some park district person has to camp out there in a SUV to make sure people don't use the skate park...).

I would think that they're waiting for San Francisco or the state to extend the shelter at home orders or the ban on large gatherings.

Might be due to insurance purposes.

It's one thing to cancel it, another to cancel it because you can't legally hold the event.

I believe it's the same with San Diego's Comic Con.

I've noticed that person(s). Man, what a job, I want it! lol

Somehow this correlation with population density got put into the conversation but it doesn't have a lot of support. Even in New York City the worst hit areas are in Queens, not Manhattan. Queens is the second least dense borough in NYC. The second hardest hit metro area (as of this post) is Detroit, which is not known for being high density. The third hardest hit metro area is New Orleans, also not a place known for being high density.

Yeah, I don't think the issue is population density, but crowding, for the spread of COVID-19. Density and crowding aren't necessarily the same thing.

In Chicago the south side is the hardest hit, which is much less dense. My zip code (mostly high-rises) has lower per capita rates. Probably because we can all work from home and get our arugula delivered.

Many people that live on the south side of Chicago don't have a car or depend on public transportation to get around. They're unable to buy in bulk either because of the issue of carrying bags around on a bus or simply because they can't afford to. This is primarily true in the African American neighborhoods.

There is also an issue with young black south siders still hanging out with large groups of friends. Not sure if they are unaware someone with no symptoms can spread the virus but I assume these same kids are the ones spreading the virus to their older family members. There are so many factors involved in the rapid spread on the south side of Chicago.

I've also seen stats of a spike in crime. Possibly because of the nicer weather and the fact there are so many people not working. It's like a perfect storm brewing. I hope I'm wrong.

Its well recognized in the medical community that there a lot more co morbidity's esp diabetes, hypertension, renal impairment from said issues and morbid obesity that is the issue here in some populations. Add up ,fact that more people reside in a residence than usual and add the fact that social distancing is less likely to happen in these areas.

I don't think it is not access to medical care. Everyone gets treated the same if they can pay or not. Its one of the first signs in all of the hospitals from the main entrance and the ER entrance in multiple languages. You don't need healthcare insurance to get the best of the best treatment and they are not even expected nor even tried to get payment from.

Its illegal not to treat anyone actually.


Its an easy answer, and I provided the causes. No links needed. Just "Anecdotal" evidence and 30 years working in a hospital deems what I say is not even worthy of a link. But if you want to google it go for it.

Let's just say the difference between a void contract and a breach of contract is huge.

It looks like NYC's cases overwhelmingly stem from Europe. This must have been circulating for months earlier:

Most New York Coronavirus Cases Came From Europe, Genomes Show
Travelers seeded multiple cases starting as early as mid-February, genomes show.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/s...e-genomes.html

So probably originated due to heavy European cross-pollination, but wasn't noticed until it started affecting those without the interactions, but with preexisting conditions.

Earlier!!! I think the coasts ended up with a one two punch from across the respective oceans. Stanford researchers are theorizing that California's low numbers might be attributed to a bit of herd immunity if covid starting circulating last fall undetected like we both talked about. FAA records show California regularly gets 8000 daily passengers from mainland China during the fall and winter months...

I'm not considering selling my condo, but I do think that I would be handling this period much better if I had a yard and a driveway. I'm a big mountain biker and I could be screwing around in those areas on my bike, if I had them. Instead, I have to pass through common areas and multiple doors just to get outside. I bought my place specifically to be right by a great urban park, but because I'm in a dense area (for Denver), my street has the same amount of activity as ever (going to/from the park), and I don't feel comfortable going to the park because it's so packed. Again, I'm not considering selling and moving, but these are thoughts that I've had.

Research shows it probably started mid-February. Not "months earlier" (months earlier from now but not months earlier than thought, more like a couple of weeks earlier than we thought). If it was earlier we would have known. NYC's "die at home" is ten times the normal rate. If nurses and doctors were dropping dead in droves months ago people would have noticed (doctors and nurses probably would have noticed at least). People started getting exposed in mid-February (well before any lock downs) so some would start showing symptoms around the end of February/beginning of March but in small enough numbers to not raise any alarms (plus there was no testing).

Had the same thoughts. I have no plans to leave the city, but I definitely would appreciate the space/privacy a house, a yard, and a garage would offer right now. Sick of trying to open common doorknobs in our condo building with my hand in my jacket pocket!

The first confirmed case in the US was in Chicago's Chinatown in mid-to-late January. This was definitely in New York (and elsewhere) at the beginning of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if the same number of people who have it in the US right now had it at some point in early February but just didn't know what it was.

Stairs help. A 25-minute set of stairs up / elevator down can take the place of normal exercise. Actually I find I'm working harder with stairs. All with hand sanitizer and a mask for the elevator (but not the stairs!) of course.

This may be true. I had a cold from late January through early February. Went to the university clinic. They said it was an upper respiratory tract infection. Told me to just rest and drink lots of fluids. It took me about two weeks afterward to get rid of it.

I knew it was coronavirus ( due to the winter season), but I don’t know if it was COVID-19. If it was the latter, I’m essentially immune to this thing now and I also unknowingly spread it among my classmates through February.

I now spend at least an hour per day shopping for groceries because of social distancing and long lines to enter shops.

You still grocery shop on a daily basis? We've been trying to get to the store only once every two weeks or so.