A. L. Bath Building
 

You are brilliant! Thank you so much.

P.S.

There was a home there in 1871:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...12452%2BPM.jpg
http://www.bigmapblog.com/2011/los-a...eared-in-1871/
(If I could have told Mr. Cottle that some day thousands of people would be going down to his basement everyday to board a train, he probably would have thrown a net over me.)

The home was still there circa 1880

This one , including the home, is circa 1890:

I've added your info to my original post:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13702
Thx again.

This scene on Colorado St. in Pasadena, looking east from Garfield Ave. toward Euclid Ave. and beyond, is my old neighborhood when I was in Elementary and Jr. Hi School; as we lived just a couple of blocks south from this classic scene.

It is a shame, as in other parts of L.A. County, the changes (at least in this scene) have not been good at all. When I was a kid, I would go shopping with my mom at all of these shops and stores, including the landmark Broadway Department store, at Los Robles Ave; which was the site of the grand Maryland Hotel (another favorite of mine) which was torn down in 1938/39 to make way for the new Broadway store.

When I was 12, I had a paper route for the Star-News on Colorado St. from just w/o Fairoaks Ave. all the way east to Los Robles, wherein I delivered to most of these businesses; including, all of what is today--Old Town Pasadena, then mostly a skid-row, excepting the banks and some remaining long established businesses.

I [own] this 'pristine' Curt Teich card, which I actually purchased at the Thrifty Drug store in the photo, and have maintined in a plastic sleeve all the many years. I verified the date (1949) by the code: 9B-H301, and also (approximately) by the vehicle types; but also, interestingly, by the movie theatre.

The historic Strand Theatre, which BTW, I saw my first movie at, had some of the letters of the current film on the large marquee--ONE AF... I did some film archive research for the era and found the film--One Sunday Afternoon, starring Dennis Morgan and Janis Paige, with a release date of January 1949.

I then went to the main Pasadena Public Library, and as I have done many times for other searches, looked through the Pasdena Star-News micro-film for close dates, :P and found the movie page ads which showed that film being screened at the Strand in early February 1949 (I forget the exact dates now) wherein I could date this photo to a certain week in early Feb. 1949...and thus also the low sequence # of 301; i.e., early in the production year. Note: I am on Flickr too, under a different member name, wherein I have posted this same info a few years ago.

In the distance you can see the twin radio towers on top of the old Star-News building, used to transmit/receive wire-photos and teletypes. William Pitt Jewelers (with the large clock 11:25) was the corner across from Thrifty's; and two doors down, closest to the Broadway, with the reddish awning was the Woolworth store. From the corner of Euclid back west and past the Strand, is the current location of the Paseo de Colorado mall. Interestingly too, for many years, there was a one-armed/one-legged man who sold newspapers and magazines at a small news-stand in front of Thrifty's; I am sure he is the person you can just make out with the gray hoodie, just behind that green 1940's sedan at the left of the photo.


http://i47.tinypic.com/mue77r.jpg

Hey, its not your fault! Those at the other site put up the info, and you took it as accurate. ;)

I am fortunate to own a huge linen postcard collection, mostly from SoCal, so I knew how to accurately date the card.

I think all the members on this site, genuinely care about things historic, and the reporting of things in an accurate manner. Anyone can have/make an unitentional oversight. :)

Note: It was most likely unintentional/unknowing at the other site too; maybe it was 'postmarked' 1946, if it was a used card; and thus, this is where the confusion came about?

Spliced Photo
 

The splice begins in the sky to the right of the telephone pole in the center of the photo, goes down through the Hoy Sing Market, across the sidewalk and truncates an automobile in the center lane.

My guess is the Times editor set this photo up for a double truck spread and was counting on the fold to disguise the latter. Not a bad effort, all the same.

Cheers,
Jack

Yep!! Good eye!

I thought that it was maybe a bolt of lighting, right out of those clouds, down the power pole which then jumped over and 'vaporized' the front of that sedan, right next to the '40 Ford!! LOL

Maybe, this is why, this version is harder to find, vs. the more tightly cropped version, which is more abundant in relevant searches...that coupled with the fact, it is too long for many print venues. And yes, not bad for a 1948 era, cut & paste job.

Most folks, just 'look' at a photo, they do not analyze it in detail. When I look at any of these older historic photos, I find myself even analyzing debris in the gutter, if a street shot. :haha:

LAPL site also has image(s) of a fancy chocolate store here prior to it's descent into Donut Chalet era of the 60s

Welcome, WS1911 . . . .

This photo, looking east from 5th and Grand at Central Park and the SE corner of 5th and Hill beyond, purportedly dates to 1888-1890:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psb904d1c0.jpg
USC Digital - http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/4594/rec/35
The tall steeple in the middle of the photo belongs to the Trinity M.E. Church (South). The large building at right is the Spring Street Public School.

1888 Sanborn Map (the compass is in Central Park):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psafdbd659.jpg
LAPL - http://sanborn.umi.com.ezproxy.lapl....29&image.y=350

1888 closer view:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psbcc4b97a.jpg

1894 Sanborn:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps53eeb1f0.jpg
LAPL - http://sanborn.umi.com.ezproxy.lapl....93&image.y=366

1894 closer view. It looks like the building on the 1888 map was added onto. If I had to guess, I'd say the photo above shows the 1894 version of the building on the SE corner of 5th and Hill, not the 1888 version:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps694345ee.jpg

And just for the heck of it, 1906:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa4db43ca.jpg
LAPL - http://sanborn.umi.com.ezproxy.lapl....17&image.y=299

P.S. The Los Angeles in 1881 map -- http://imgzoom.cdlib.org/Fullscreen....and=calisphere -- marks the exact SE corner of 5th and Hill with "George Gephard, who raised $8,000 to buy site for Normal School in 1881, lived here." Just south of that (but perhaps really the same spot) is "Home of A. L. Bath, pioneer." The map also shows the SW corner of 5th and Olive, across the street from Central Park, as the home of meatpacker Jean Sentous; I think you can just barely see the top of his roof in the USC photo above.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8104/8...85575e60_o.jpg
Barbara Stanwick and Fred MacMurray, Double Indemnity (Paramount, 1944)

'Well, are you going to come in?'

'I'm thinking about it.'

A. L. Bath was Albert L. Bath, born in Nova Scotia in 1829, he came to the US in 1851. in 1870 Mr Bath and his wife, who was 15 years younger, were living in Soquel, Santa Cruz County, CA where he is listed as being a carriage builder. They were living in Los Angeles by 1880 and was listed as being a wagon maker. They do not seem to have had any children. His wife Hannah apparently died between 1880 and 1900. He was a widower when he appears in the 1900 census as living at 508 S. Hill Street. His niece, Florence Dodge, also lived with him. He died in April of 1905 and is buried in the Odd Fellows Cemetery on Whittier Blvd.

KENNY'S PLUMBING is still in Burbank, just down the street a ways, now at 2101 W. Magnolia. They have "always" been the place to go to get an obscure part that the chain stores did not have. An old fashioned place with a "store dog" and sometimes a "store cat" sitting around.

Two great old linen style cards, both from areas I love and know well.

My son lives very close to that location in Burbank, and I bet during the 1940's and even beyond, they had a large clientel from the Lockheed plant. Moreover, I worked for several years, at a facility (6801 San Fernando Rd.) just a little south of Kenny's.

My dad worked at Lockheed right after the war, before he went up to JPL, n/e of Pasadena. I am into the history of this company, especially the P-38 Lightning and B-17 production years.

Having grown up in Pasadena, I spent so much time in this extended downtown area as a kid and later; I do remember Wing Co. There is now a large bank/financial bldg. at that location, just e/o Catalina Ave. All those old small shops/stores have been wiped out. So much history in both of these great suburbs of L.A. city.

Schucks . . .

The scale memorabilia ^^^ reminds me of dairy-related collectibles, à la Dixie Cup lids - bearing celebrity faces. It can be argued that many of these are also noir-related, although I am certain they were used by dairy's well beyond the Southern California area, E.g.:
http://www.things-and-other-stuff.co..._lake_ladd.jpghttp://www.things-and-other-stuff.co..._lake_ladd.jpg
http://www.things-and-other-stuff.co...onica_lake.jpghttp://www.things-and-other-stuff.co...onica_lake.jpg
http://www.things-and-other-stuff.co...de%20carlo.jpghttp://www.things-and-other-stuff.co...de%20carlo.jpg

Dixie Cup Co was headquartered in Easton, PA but of course, unrelated other than name, there was "Dixie Preserves" at 1717 W. Vernon Avenue

1939 -

Dixie Employees
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047044.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047044.jpg

The Business end of the preserves?
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047055.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics25/00047055.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046867.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046867.jpg


Speaking of Dairies that might have used Dixie Cups, here is one with a name not automatically associated with SoCal, El Monte's own: "New York Dairy."
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8156/7...1d3b9a68_b.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8156/7...1d3b9a68_b.jpg

What's the relationship between the Sentous home and the Nadeau's? Were they successively on the same lot?

(A bit more on George Gephard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gephard)


Thank you to both of you.

The three houses I've owned in LA, all built in the teens and 20s, were each the first structure to be built on their particular lots and all still exist in neighborhoods that have remained residential. I researched the chain of ownership of each, but there really wasn't much outward change.

I'm fascinated by sites like the SE corner of 5th and Hill that changed from residential to a hotel, to an office building and shops, falling derelict, undergoing a two-stage demolition and finally being excavated for the Red Line station.

Thanks so much for the deep history of "my" old bus stop.

Another view on Colorado St. at Garfield Ave, looking east.

This one is a few years earlier, either late 1943 (winter clothes) or early '44, and as evidenced by no post-war years vehicles, etc. The Broadway store opened in late 1940.

Notice on the south sidewalk, the large crowd of (looks like 100%) women/girls. My thought has always been, that this period during the war years, the men were either at war or at work in the defense plants. This is obviously a line for a matinee at the Strand Theatre, which extends down the sidewalk (typical of that era, as the theatre lobby was quite small by today's standards) and most likely, a chick-flick...my vote is The Song of Bernadette, late December 1943--to early 1944. ;) The theatre marquee is smaller in this photo, compared to the other 1949 view, as it was modernized, right after the war.

Also note, as was typical of these linen cards, the overhead electric wires for the E/W P.E. cars, and the double set of tracks on Colorado St., have been airbrushed out, as well as a large painted sign on the west facing side of the Thrifty Drug bldg., similar to the scene in my previous post.

I purchased this unused card several years ago. This card is more rare than the 1949 version; however, the image quality is not a good/fine, as the Curt Teich brand.

http://i49.tinypic.com/33ypbb7.jpg


Note the overhead wires and tracks, in this Real-Photo, image:
http://i45.tinypic.com/51spyh.jpg

The Dairy Queen, at that site, is no more. :(

That shot with the Corvette, is definately SoCal, and you can just make out two types of our 'signature' L.A. Palm trees, and a stucco home with Spanish tile roof, at the right horizon. Most likely 1962, as Signal 4-Star Ethyl, was just being introduced in very early 1962, as a 'new' product. Note the gal with the cigarette in her fingers, while the man gases up the vette! I love those early Corvettes; it was a must-have car, when I was at PHS! :)

That New York Dairy (previous post) and no longer in business, was right down the street from the long time Driftwood Dairy, which is still going strong on Lower Azusa Rd. in El Monte. When I was in HS, I worked part time in the mornings, for a Driftwood route-man. On the weekend days, I would go with him (very early) in his Divco, down to Lower Azusa and ice up and load up the truck.

I didn't realize we were looking at the back side of the Sentous Building in the photo below until your post MR.

originally posted by sopas_ej
http://imageshack.us/a/img805/3913/a...cksidesscs.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12508
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