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Terrific findings on the wooden footbridge gsjansen. It's especially fun finding it in the old illustrations dating waaaay back when.
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Cornfield footbridge
Hello!
I discovered this thread and site about a month ago, and have really enjoyed reading my way to page 200. So many beautiful photos and great insights to the history of Los Angeles. My thanks to all of you generous posters. I lived in Los Angeles in the 1980's, when I was in my twenties. I would watch old movies and spend some time on weekends trying to find the actual locations. It was a huge disappointment to discover Bunker Hill had basically been scrubbed off the face of the earth. Of course, there were and still are many great sites to see. I managed to find the wooden pedestrian bridge over the Southern Pacific Cornfield yards one day in 1987. I'm no Dick Whittington, but here are a few photos I took that day, on and from the bridge. I owned only one 50 mm lens for my Nikon then, and I wish I could have taken some shots with a wider lens. (sorry) There was only one train in motion the afternoon I was at the yard. It struck me that most of the equipment seemed like it was just being stored there, and there was a very long "dead line" of locomotives (not visible in these pics). Kind of sad, but quite a contrast to the view gsjansen posted on page 200! http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o.../pedBridge.jpg Personal collection http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cornfield2.jpg Personal collection http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cornfield1.jpg Personal collection http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cornfield4.jpg Personal collection |
Thanks for posting your pictures, Kelton. First-hand photos like these are such a pleasure.
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wow! great images KV! (i've got a thing for acronym's), those personal photographs of the cornfield yards are wonderful. thank you so much for posting them.
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You are very welcome, Floyd and gsjansen! My pleasure.
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Those are great pictures, Kelton! Did you happen to get any of the roundhouse where the trains would get turned around? There's an old Our Gang comedy that makes use of it. It was around there somewhere.
If it was still there, I'm not sure I'd chance crossing that footbridge. I was over by the 6th street(?) viaduct taking pictures of the tunnel from "Them" a couple of years ago and there were some scary characters hanging out down by the opening to the tunnel. I wouldn't want to meet them on the footbridge. I'd rather take my chances with giant ants. |
Great pics, Kelton Verdugo!
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Thank you for your comments, Mike and sopas.
It's funny you should mention your concern about the safety of the bridge, Mike. When I was walking it, I noticed an entire missing floor plank. Fairly visible in the daylight, but could have been a hazard for anyone crossing at night. I don't recall seeing the roundhouse in the area. I have an old issue of "Classic Trains" magazine that has a nice aerial photo showing both the Cornfield and the Bullring yards, with locations numbered. I will try to dig it out, and find where the roundhouse(s) was located. Looking at gsjansen's posting of the birdseye map illustrations, the roundhouse didn't stay in one place for too long. This is getting pretty trivial, but I think I can notice some differences in the appearance of the bridge from the 1940s photographs, to when I was there in '87. There appears to be an angular jag, say in the first 200 to 300 feet from Broadway. I recall the bridge being straight, and the most obvious difference to be seen in the "This Gun For Hire" footage, is that the bridge was once entirely open topped. An overhead framework can be seen in the '87 photo. But it only makes sense the bridge would have been rebuilt a few times. It really startled me to see the old bridge went all the way back to 1891 (or at least an earlier version). Damn, I love this thread! Thank you sopas for the information about the Broadway/Buena Vista viaduct. I had no idea it was that old! Wow! I must go take a look at the new clean up and ornamentation work on my next L.A. visit. I really appreciate and enjoy your knowledge of Los Angeles history. |
New in Town
Hello All! Stumbled across this thread a couple of weeks ago and have now been through all pages. What an incredible place to immerse myself in both Los Angeles and Film Noir history. I have lived in San Diego for 30 years now but have always been fascinated in LA history, especially during the war years. My mother lived and worked in LA for over two years during WWII while my dad was in the Marines and either in the South Pacific or stationed here in San Diego at Camp Elliott. Mom always regaled me with wonderful stories of life in LA as seen through the eyes of a 19-21 year girl old from Albuquerque NM. During mom's time in LA, she lived in an all women's boarding house that was in a converted mansion on St Andrews Place, just a block or so off of the intersection of Wllshire and Western. Mom worked at Schwabacher-Frey and Co. which was at 736 S. Broadway (I tried seeing if I could find 736 in any of the pictures on the thread, but couldn't. So if any of you have a picture in your files, I would love to see it!). In the late 80's, I drove mom up to LA and we were unable to locate the boarding house as it looks like it was replaced by a really ugly 60's apartment complex. When we drove downtown to see her old workplace, we were unable to as Broadway was torn up and that block was closed off. Mom took a look at some of the people on the sidewalks and decided that she did not want to get out and walk to see it! As we drove around the downtown streets, she got very upset about all the beautiful buildings she remembered that were no longer there. She eventually said "let's get out of here" and we left. Sorry that my first post is so long but I am a journalist by trade and can be very verbose.:speech:
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Great stuffs! I'm glad to see those photos, Where did you get those cool stuffs? Anyway, thanks for sharing!
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Camp Elliott
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All that remains of Camp Elliott are two barracks buildings that the County of San Diego now uses. On google maps if you look at the area just south of where the I-15 and State Route 163 split, you are looking at the west end of the old camp. The camp continued northeast at a diagonal for about a mile. |
since we touched on This Gun For Hire in our discussion about the cornfield train yard footbridge, (and it has been quite awhile since the last posting of screen caps from los angeles noir film location shots), here are screen captures from the movie
Alan Ladd and Veronica Lake roll into town on the red eye from San Francisco http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2247/...3cb28fe0_b.jpg The Richfield Building gets a starring role as the headquarters for the Nitro Company. (and there's our old friend the snow/southland hotel next to it like it should be, even though most of the image has been matted) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3372/...d2c0f032_b.jpg police converge on alan ladd down from broadway into the cornfield train yard http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/...d2789816_b.jpg alan ladd scrambles up the hill towards broadway from the cornfield train yards http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/...c37a8864_b.jpg alan ladd fleeing north on broadway towards the cornfield train yard footbridge http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/...ba068f08_b.jpg alan ladd runs onto the footbridge from broadway http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/...4c0b936a_b.jpg alan ladd runs past a woman carrying a baby on the footbridge http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3103/...4202e626_b.jpg police yell at the woman from broadway to get out of the way so that they can shoot at alan ladd http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2084/...4f2dbff6_b.jpg alan ladd jumps from the footbridge onto a passing freight train http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3486/...2cefea4c_b.jpg police shooting at alan ladd from the footbridge http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2544/...a340dd21_b.jpg robert preston on the roof of the richfield building http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/...ac925d27_b.jpg robert preston getting on a window washing rig on the side of the richfield building http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/...b05b2234_b.jpg robert preston on the window washing rig on the side of the richfield building http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2222/...175b7547_b.jpg what great movie! |
Without Warning
I've been off and on here for awhile, so this may be old news. A friend recently lent me a fairly new DVD, (beautiful, crisp print) of a 1951/52 film called "Without Warning." LOTS of good L.A. location photography (brand new freeways, the Produce Market etc.,) the highlight being a good deal of footage of Chavez Ravine when it was still a community of run-down little houses and dirt roads overlooking a very smoggy downtown and surrounding area.
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Great to see those "This Gun For Hire" frames, gsjansen! It's fun to toggle between those and the aerial photos in your earlier post. Interesting how the art director added the hills into the background of the Nitro building matte shot. Makes it more photogenic, but in reality I wouldn't think you could see such high hills from downtown.
Jeff, thanks for the suggestion of "Without Warning". Another one to add to the DVD want list of film noirs and crime dramas set in L.A. |
Demolition collage
I did a "demolition" search on LAPL and many noirish images appeared, a few of which are posted here. I hear music when I look at these, and its not a happy tune.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics46/00042869.jpglapl St.Pauls Cathedral 1925-1980 http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics13/00026375.jpglapl LA high demolished 1971 http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater3/00015541.jpglapl Paramount Theater demolished 1961 http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics47/00043379.jpglapl Courthouse 1936 http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics17/00018443.jpglapl courthouse overgrown and ready to come down 1933 http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics17/00018248.jpglapl old city hall 1888-1928 http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058889.jpglapl 1962 http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077824.jpglapl 1969 http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018928.jpglapl temple block comes down for new LA city hall |
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This 1929 postcard, featured in my last blog post, appears to also show the Temple Block during its demolition. I can't be certain of that, but there is definitely some sort of partial structure immediately adjacent to the north entrance of City Hall, and just east of the International Trust & Savings Bank... http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...inpc_sky-1.jpg |
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what an amazing postcard! that is without a doubt the temple block in the process of being demolished. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5061/...37a5feb4_o.jpg wow! |
There's an original wall sconce from inside the Richfield Tower up for sale at the upcoming Los Angeles Modern Art and Design auction. 13.25"h x 16" x 7.5". Estimate: $1,500 - $2,000.
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this is one of the ground floor elevator lobby sconces http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4035/...084f24a5_o.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/...79e90aaf_o.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/...19b6b3ab_o.jpg Source: Library of Congress |
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another image showing the outpost sign above hollywood
this 1928 photograph is taken from the 1st national bank building at highland and hollywood looking north west. the outpost sign is visible to the left and above center of the photograph http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071625.jpg Source: LAPL of further interest, (particularly to Mr. Bariscale), the franklin garden apartments is visible through the trees beyond the armor arms and to the right of the magic castle a 1924 aerial clearly showing the franklin garden apartments to the right of the magic castle http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics42/00070807.jpg Source: LAPL |
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Hehe a horse and wagon in the mix, too. Isn't that an amazing photo? Prior to traffic lights and more established driving rules and laws, the way traffic moved in the early days of motoring was the way it had been moving for hundreds of years in busy cities, where an intersection was a free-for-all. If you look at film footage from the 1910s and early 1920s of big American cities and the way people drove, it was really no different than the way traffic moves in third world countries today, like in say, Indonesia. Great photos, by the way, of the Edison Bldg. construction! |
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Bert Rovere's Paris Inn about 1952 on N. Broadway |
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Two years later, Bert's retired, Paris Inn closed. |
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2010 the building remains. Built in 1904, renovated in 1940. |
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Little Joe's started in 1897 as the Italian-American Grocery Co. They changed their name to Little Joe's in the early '40's. Closed in 1998. But......... |
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The parking lot was owned, by, yes you guessed it.....Bert Rovere! He rented the space out for many years to Little Joe's. When Bert's wife Virginia passed in 1963, Little Joe's had first dibs on the lot. My father, Lawrence Rovere (Bert's nephew), and many other family members filed a suit against the last will of Virginia. Unfortunately it was thrown out in court. They valued the lot at $ 200,000 back in 1963!! |
somehow, i thought we had talked about little joe's, 900 n. broadway. located at the north east corner of college and broadway. i can't seem to locate any postings about it though..........................
anyway............. In 1908 Robert Nuccio opened the Italian American Grocery store at 450 Hewitt Street. http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005126.jpg Source: LAPL In 1922 he sold the business to his best friend John Gadeschi and Joe Vivalda, they purchased the n. broadway building and relocated the store there in 1927. prevoulsly the 900 n. broadway building housed the d.w. davis grocery and provisions store http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005127.jpg Source: LAPL The upper floors served as a hotel http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005130.jpg Source: LAPL In 1933 they opened up the little joe's restaurant at the north side of the building. The expansion of the grocery business into the restaurant business was necessitated in the early 1930s by an increasing number of construction workers frequenting the grocery store for meals and driving away other customers from the grocery business. By expanding to the cafe next door, John and Joe were able to keep their grocery customers and accomodate an increasing number of restaurant/meal customers. http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005129.jpg Source: LAPL According to well established family stories, the basement room was used to dress or clean wild game caught at Joe Vivalda's ranch near Ft. Tejon, to be served at the restaurant. Kneeling at right: Joe Vivalda. http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005128.jpg Source: LAPL after the construction of union station, chinatown relocated and centered itself around n. broadway. this photograph looking east on college across broadway was taken in 1941 http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics10/00004548.jpg Source: LAPL at some point in either the late 40's or early 50's, the building was completely remodeled http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005138.jpg Source: LAPL an additional dining catering room was added on the north side of the building http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005140.jpg Source: LAPL in the late 60's the building was once again heavily remodeled, removing the upper hotel portion of the building. http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005139.jpg Source: LAPL in the late 70's i ate at little joe's, and this 1977 family portrait photograph, looking north on broadway across college, is exactly how i remember it..... http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics05/00012155.jpg Source: LAPL even though Robert Nuccio had sold the business back in 1922 to John Gadeschi and Joe Vivalda, the Nuccio family was always involved with the restaurant. On the left are John Albert Nuccio, Steve Nuccio, photograph was taken some time on the late 70's early 80's http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005148.jpg Source: LAPL |
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Great set of photos, gsjansen! Little Joe's has always fascinated me. I regret not ever having eaten there before it closed; I remember the local news even covered its closing. When I was young, before I learned the history of LA's Chinatown, I always thought it was odd that there'd be an Italian restaurant in Chinatown. And when I first learned what the building used to look like, I thought that it was a shame that it was remodeled. |
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Thanks gsjansen! Amazing history for one small business. I knew one of you old la timers would come up with more info and pics.
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This snapshot from ebay was simply labeled the 1925 Hollywood Christmas Parade.
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1...parade1925.jpg ebay I can pick out Santa Claus (far right), but the parade seems to be in downtown Los Angeles (unlike the famous Hollywood Christmas Parade). __________ below: Details of the above photos. http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/1...parade1925.jpg ebay http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1...parade1925.jpg ebay below: So what is this building under construction? Is it the Pacific Mutual Building? In the detail below, I can make out 'new head office' and 'pacific'. http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1...parade1925.jpg ebay http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/1...parade1925.jpg ebay below: This small photo shows a corner of the building that is under construction in the above photos. http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5...cannynethi.jpg uncanny.net A view of the same area found in the USC Digital Archive. http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2...tinhollywo.jpg usc |
Label this one under 'kitsch'.
The Jail Cafe at 4212 Sunset Blvd. in 1927. http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/4...12sunsetbl.jpg lapl below: Notice the faux guard in the central tower. The 4212 address is on the white globe below the 'tower'. http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4...12sunsetbl.jpg lapl below: Cells for nonsupport and speeding?? This has to be the worst idea for a restaurant ever! http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3...feinterior.jpg lapl What did they serve....bread and water? |
below: The Lucca Cafe at 501 S. Western Ave.
http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/6...swesternav.jpg lapl I wonder if all the signs down the street are referring to the Lucca Cafe. The signs include 'dancing'......'grotto'.....and 'coffee shop'. |
A mysterious Los Angeles snapshot from ebay.
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That is one sharp looking logo for Southern California Edison! Looks like it was literally the size of a truck.
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i never get tired of looking at the changes over the years of sunset boulevard and broadway, (if anyone here is tired of looking at it, my sincere apologies!)
looking east on sunset boulevard from broadway 1939 http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb1/00017153.jpg Source: LAPL The same view 1986 http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb1/00017163.jpg Source: LAPL I know we've kinda done this one before, but still..........yoiks! Looking south on broadway across sunset boulevard 1929 http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013680.jpg Source: LAPL the same view 1951 http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013681.jpg Source: LAPL The same view 1971 http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013677.jpg Source: LAPL looking north on broadway across sunset boulevard 1895 http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013678.jpg Source: LAPL The same view 1930 http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013679.jpg Source: LAPL Kind sorta the same view 1870 http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets.../CHS-7186?v=hr Source: USC Digital Archive 1947 aerial of the intersection http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044286.jpg Source: LAPL kinda current similar view courtesy of bingmaps, (microsoft really needs to update these a tad more often) http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2689/...09337585_o.jpg |
a 1924 aerial looking north east centered on the old courthouse that i don't recall seeing before
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Civic Center before and after shots are always so utterly painful to look at. No doubt one of the most horrible urban redevelopment schemes ever carried out in this country.
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Brew 102 - Railway Service
My membership in this forum has just been approved, but I have been enjoying this thread for quite a while.
Something I have wanted to ask about was in the picture showing the Brew 102 building I have included below. It looks to me as if this business had rail service - not an unusual thing for a big brewery. The reason I wonder about that is the object in the red circle - is that a locomotive on the street? Note the high-visibility "tiger stripes". Street running of railways has always been interesting to me but it is increasingly rare. Did Los Angeles have much street running of freight or passenger railways (not including the street cars and Pacific Electric services)? Did PE have freight operations? https://i.imgur.com/wX89YSs.jpg Alan |
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Welcome to the thread E_AL, (my bizarro world acronym for engineeral). train service other than the obvious P&E and LARy, did indeed run on surface roads competing with vehicular traffic in los angeles. one of the most amazing instances of this was the train service utilizing the Southern Pacific's Central Station at 5th Street and Central Avenue. The rail service utilizing this depot actually ran on Alameda with heavy automobile and truck traffic this view is looking north between central and alameda from 6th street. the tracks on alameda running in and out of the depot are clearly visible http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044308.jpg Source: LAPL Another view looking west across the central station train yard http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044254.jpg Source: LAPL |
The train yard is still there (per Googlemaps), but the station has been replaced by what looks like a warehouse.
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