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rcarlton Sep 30, 2012 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by H.L.P (Post 5849938)
Hey guys, i found this videos on youtube of highland park then and now pics, thought you guys might find it interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ26q0Lg8Zo

Wow...thanks. The comments below the video make Highland Park sound like a bad place now.:shrug:

rcarlton Sep 30, 2012 1:30 PM

Smog Victim in Los Angeles CA. Photo dated Nov 26, 1958.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/8...8e4272aa_b.jpgEbay

rcarlton Sep 30, 2012 2:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5849789)
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/1831/tigergirl1935.jpg
ebay

http://imageshack.us/a/img803/2897/t...descriptio.jpg

WHOA...A former chorus girl disembowels her husband's mistress!! This is 'noir' to the nth degree.
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Here is Clara in all her 'post-claw hammer' glory.

http://imageshack.us/a/img89/8774/aa...deress1922.jpg
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/09/the_real_black_dahlia/





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Here is Clara Leaving jail.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8...637b4519_b.jpgLAPL

I've taken liberty to clean up the picture a little.

Here is her mug shot with a little makeup on and fixed the gap in her teeth.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8...e4d02943_z.jpg

rcarlton Sep 30, 2012 2:32 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0166279a_j.jpgWikipedia
Here is a very noir story:
Jacob Denton a wealthy widower was planning on renting his mansion on Wilshire before taking a lengthy trip to Michigan. The ad was answered by Louise Peete...and his world was never the same. The story involves a ton of dirt in the basement, mushrooms, forgery, lies and a conviction of murder for Louise Peete. She allegedly was the reason "Tiger Woman" Clara Phillips tried to attempt suicide in prison. Eventually Louise was granted parole...but her story does not end....see Dead Women Week 3, Gassing; California, 1947.


Jacob Denton gravestone:
http://image2.findagrave.com/photos2...8360844329.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/findagrave/p...tonjacobc2.jpgFindagrave

Additional links to Louise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Peete
http://www.crimezzz.net/serialkiller...ETE_louise.php
http://cwcfamily.org/articles/family/peete.htm
http://www.amazon.com/search-Lofie-L...s=Louise+Peete
http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/people-v-peete-23828

Dragnet dramatized her story. Dragnet.

unihikid Sep 30, 2012 3:14 PM

excellent work,thank you so much,you made my weekend!

BifRayRock Sep 30, 2012 6:16 PM

Fascinating exposition kznyc2k!

Now for another challenge, where was the Moscow Inn located and are there pictures? It was east of La Boheme aka Trocadero, and its number was CR 4331.

Perusing the usual sources for information concerning the Cotton Club and the Moscow Inn, a number of other establishments were mentioned. Many of which have been discussed on this forum. The 1929 amusement map http://66.45.240.25/showpost.php?p=5...postcount=8036 is significant in that it highlights the better known nightspots of the time. Almost all of them presented themselves as legitimate places for dining and dancing while, rightly or wrongly, they also had reputations for being "roadhouses" or "speakeasies" capable of serving demon rum. It goes without saying that illegal booze probably encouraged some other politically unpopular and illegal activities such as gambling and prostitution. Even after 1933, when alcohol was legal, the other vices managed to scrape by on their own. ;)

Absent personal knowledge, it is hard to say what clubs were strictly legitimate and which may have occasionally strayed from the straight and narrow. For all I know some may have falsely enjoyed a racy reputation, that could have been good for business, at least for a short while. Suffice it to say, there certainly were quite a few supper-dance-entertainment enterprises with interesting names and maybe equally interesting reputations. They include The Cotton Club's predecessor, "The Green Mill" as well as the Jungle Inn, La Fonda Inn, Paris Inn, Marcel Inn,Heigh Ho Inn, Russ Gypsy Inn,the Plantation, the Pom Pom Cafe, the Showboat Cafe, Rainbow Gardens, Villa Inn, Zucca's Inn, Moonlight Gardens, Sunset Inn, Doo Doo Inn, Kit Kat Club, Midnight Frolics, Sneak Inn and the Clover Club.

Curiously, one source suggests that the Monkey Farm (down the street from the Cotton Club - "take the Washington St. bus.") may have been a "swinging" club not to be confused with the swingers at Monkey Island. However, the map includes it with a list of Places of Interest, like Ostrich Farms and the Luna Park Zoo. "200 monkeys. Smallest and Largest known!"

Directly above the LaBrea Dinosaur is "Cuckoo Clock" on Beverly Blvd. Is it a roadside attraction that tells time or a hoppin hot spot?
http://imageshack.us/a/img607/9158/a...ementssspb.jpg


Clover Club (8477 Sunset Blvd. above La Cienega Boulevard) Feb 6, 1935
http://ladailymirror.files.wordpress...ng?w=554&h=529 google
http://www.streetswing.com/histclub/gif/1clover1.gifgoogle
http://ladailymirror.files.wordpress...ng?w=279&h=657
http://ladailymirror.files.wordpress...ng?w=504&h=475http://ladailymirror.com/2011/10/10/...e-clover-club/
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Another speakeasy!, 1929 (Tony's Cafe at 905 First Street)
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...SPE-002~2?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...SPE-002~1?v=hrUSC Digital

And another! (Notice the convenience of getting your stomach vulcanized and next door getting your tires vulcanized!)
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...SPE-003~1?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...SPE-003~2?v=hrUSC Digital


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According to the source, Anne Laskey, this (now demolished) home at 4412 Wilshire Blvd also served as a speakeasy. http://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090306.jpglapl



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I know it is far from the subject of Los Angeles, but this image is instructional regarding the treatment of liquor sales - even in 1932. Yes, it is for Washington D.C. and if anyone is offended, I will delete it.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...C3582A4A0?v=hr http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...SPE-001~2?v=hrUSC Digital

H.L.P Sep 30, 2012 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5849962)
Wow...thanks. The comments below the video make Highland Park sound like a bad place now.:shrug:

yeah it's definitely a rough neighborhood, but i love it, i wouldn't want it any other way. As for the hipster thing, i kind of hope its a fad that will fade away in time. i live in Alhambra right now, and i cant wait till the day i move back to Highland Park, imma be like...:dancing:

GaylordWilshire Sep 30, 2012 8:02 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img231/7770/hlaverbecknewpic.jpgBuilding Age and Builder's Journal


The most famous of the moved mansions in Los Angeles is the Higgins-Verbeck house, which was built at 2619 Wilshire and moved to 637 South Lucerne in 1924. Part of the story is that a party was going on in the house as it moved west. I just found this shot of a rear section of the house trundling down Wilshire with revelers at the windows.... Full story here: Wilshire Boulevard Houses

Mayor Shaw Sep 30, 2012 8:42 PM

California Piano Supply Company
 
Here are some photo's from the 20's showing the entrance to the California Piano Supply Company located at 2257 Venice Blvd. Sometime in the 60's the company was renamed The Big Red Piano Company. An attempt was made to move the building to another location in order to preserve it, but the structure failed to survive the move.

http://imageshack.us/a/img37/4016/bigpiano.jpg

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http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8452/bigpiano2.jpg

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2257 Venice Blvd. today

http://imageshack.us/a/img193/5536/2257venicepiano.png

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Photos LAPL and Google Street

rcarlton Sep 30, 2012 8:47 PM

Nothing on Moscow Inn yet. This article mentions the Monkey Farm 3rd page, 4th paragraph.

rcarlton Sep 30, 2012 9:08 PM

Here are photos of the Trocadero, notice how it has changed over the years, loosing its roof and changing signs and later being resurrected:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics40/00039935.jpgLAPL
Originally known as the La Boheme from 1929 to 1933, the Trocadero was opened by Hollywood Reporter William Wilkerson in 1934. After years of serving as one of Hollywood's best evening destinations, the "Troc" was closed in 1946. Back in the 1930s Sunset Boulevard contained the world's hottest nightspots, including the famous trio: The Trocadero (8610 Sunset Blvd. - seen here), Ciro's (8433 Sunset Blvd.), and The Mocambo (8588 Sunset Blvd.).
Exterior view of the Cafe Trocadero on the Sunset Strip before it was remodeled. A second sign below the nightclub name reads, "Phil Ohman's Music."

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics45/00072137.jpgLAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008680.jpgLAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics36/00037568.jpgLAPL

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics21/00045344.jpgLAPL
Exterior view of the Trocadero, located at Sunset Blvd. and Sunset Plaza Drive, as seen from across the street, looking south. Note the art designs on the wall and above each of the doors. Photo dated: February 17, 1938.

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics31/00065367.jpgLAPL
Exterior view of the new Cafe Trocadero, a low-slung building located at Sunset Blvd. and Sunset Plaza Drive, as seen from across the street. A taxicab is parked in front. circa 1935

http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007170.jpg LAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007168.jpgLAPL
Exterior view of the famous nightclub Trocadero, located at 8610 Sunset Boulevard in what is now West Hollywood. This view, from where Sunset Plaza Drive (foreground) meets Sunset Boulevard, shows the nightclub after it had undergone extensive remodeling. circa 1945

Among the celebrities who frequented the Trocadero were Fred Astaire, Bing Crosby, Cary Grant, Myrna Loy, Jackie Gleason, Henry Fonda, Judy Garland, Lucille Ball, Desi Arnaz, Jean Harlow, and Norma Shearer. The Trocadero was featured in the 1937 movie A Star is Born starring Janet Gaynor and Fredric March. That same year, vaudevillian and Three Stooges manager Ted Healy died shortly after a fight in the parking lot, allegedly at the hands of fellow contractee Wallace Beery and MGM studio executive Eddie Mannix. A 2004 documentary film claimed that Healy's assailants were actually Wallace Beery, gangster Pat DiCicco, and DiCicco's cousin Albert "Cubby" Broccoli.

Actress/comedienne Thelma Todd, who died mysteriously in December 1935, spent an evening at the Trocadero at a party thrown by Ida Lupino and her father Stanley. Todd had formerly been married to Pat DiCicco, and was angry that he had shown up there with another actress, Margaret Lindsay. The party was one of the last times that she was seen alive. (Wikepedia)

Today, a " new" Trocadero stands as a nightclub at 8610 Sunset Boulevard on the Sunset Strip.:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8459/8...98bff5cf_b.jpgGE
Notice the buildings on the left still stand!

BifRayRock Sep 30, 2012 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5850281)
Nothing on Moscow Inn yet. This article mentions the Monkey Farm 3rd page, 4th paragraph.

Thank you for accepting the Moscow Inn challenge!

I read the same article and found another print source (attributed to Louella Parsons http://books.google.com/books?id=IHD...20farm&f=false ) that described the Monkey Farm as a place to wet your whistle on the Westside. I originally assumed that it was a cover. However, the '29 Map clearly lists it with many places of interest, including libraries and zoos. The Cotton Club, Plantation, etc., are listed as Dinner and Dancing Clubs. I submit it is possible the MF really was a roadside attraction and not a late night hot spot, and that those other "sources" may be perpetuating an urban legend. The listing actually says "200 Monkeys!" But that could be roaring '20s doublespeak, maybe. And I suppose it is possible for a monkey menagerie to sell hooch in the gift shop. There is "apparently" no directory listing for Moscow Inn or Monkey Farm. But one source did provide a number for the Moscow Inn located (somewhere) on Sunset.

Undated. Source indicates this may be from the Green Mill, Mike Lyman's or Levy's. The bottles on the wall suggest it was post '33, but after the first drink, all gin joints start to look alike! ;)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics40/00039929.jpgLapl

Moxie Sep 30, 2012 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5850232)
http://imageshack.us/a/img231/7770/hlaverbecknewpic.jpgBuilding Age and Builder's Journal


The most famous of the moved mansions in Los Angeles is the Higgins-Verbeck house, which was built at 2619 Wilshire and moved to 637 South Lucerne in 1924. Part of the story is that a party was going on in the house as it moved west. I just found this shot of a rear section of the house trundling down Wilshire with revelers at the windows.... Full story here: Historic Los Angeles

I hardly recognized it being cut in half like that. Still blows my mind that they used to do that...and that they did it as regularly as they did, not just as a rare and eccentric decision.

ETA: Question...is there a turret out the back of it? (Because the turret in the photo doesn't match the front or side of the house that you can see from the street.)

GaylordWilshire Sep 30, 2012 11:57 PM

:previous:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle SV

It's on the back on the southwest corner of the house....

Handsome Stranger Oct 1, 2012 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5849787)

BifRayRock, many thanks for all the photos of the Dominguez-Wilshire building. I work in this building and love it, and several of the photos you posted are new to me. The lobby of the building has changed very little since the building first opened. Here's how it looks now:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/8...6bc42a1a_b.jpg

The owners recently got those Art Deco elevator floor indicators working again in the lobby, and will have them working on all floors soon.

Also, a huge thanks to everyone that responded to my request for info on the buildings that appeared in Hollywood the Unusual. It's great to know some of those gorgeous structures still stand.

rcarlton Oct 1, 2012 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5833032)
Snapshot of the vacant Hall of Records dated December 1968 (five years before it was demolished).

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/5893/s...8hallofrec.jpg
Nick Faitos, http://www.flickr.com//

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Such a nice picture that needed a little touch up.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/8...523525df_b.jpg

Godzilla Oct 1, 2012 12:26 AM

Recent discussion about this area.

830-832 South Sycamore Avenue, 1927 "Leo P. Schaefer Co., mortgage loan co"
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-41366?v=hrUSC Digital

Twelve years later 1939
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-41367?v=hrUSC Digital

Maybe the angle but updated version may have a different setback: http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8...ed=0CCEQ8gEwAA
http://cbk1.google.com/cbk?output=th...=1&w=300&h=118

kznyc2k Oct 1, 2012 1:01 AM

I'm still digging around for more Cotton Club stuff and I came across a couple more images, both of which appear to be from around when it opened circa 1928:

http://imageshack.us/a/img829/5602/cottonclub.jpg
Worthpoint.com

http://imageshack.us/a/img716/8309/cottonclub2.jpg
Loyola Marymount Digital Collections

Looked to be quite the colorful place--probably in more ways than one!

Godzilla Oct 1, 2012 1:25 AM

4350 Beverly Blvd. Photo is recent, but 1922 building does not look modern.

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics23/00061355.jpglapl

Moxie Oct 1, 2012 2:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5850444)
:previous:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle SV

It's on the back on the southwest corner of the house....

So it is! Thanks. :tup:

Wrightguy0 Oct 1, 2012 2:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5850300)
the Trocadero was opened by Hollywood Reporter William Wilkerson in 1934.


William Wilkerson, another man with a place in Noir History, He was the developer behind the Flamingo resort, one time Mentor to Benjamin "Bugsy" Segal. He ended up running to france to escape Segal's jealousy, someone here could probably tell this story better than i can, but i can say that Wilkerson and the Fall of Bugsy Segal are integral to L.A. Noir amd that bloody year of 1947.

unihikid Oct 1, 2012 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kznyc2k (Post 5850518)
I'm still digging around for more Cotton Club stuff and I came across a couple more images, both of which appear to be from around when it opened circa 1928:

http://imageshack.us/a/img829/5602/cottonclub.jpg
Worthpoint.com

http://imageshack.us/a/img716/8309/cottonclub2.jpg
Loyola Marymount Digital Collections

Looked to be quite the colorful place--probably in more ways than one!

kznyc2k your work is just excellent,i had a book on black music in los angeles and they had a couple of pages dedicated to the cc. its one of the clubs i always wanted to know about and ive had the book for over 20 yrs!so thanks again.

kznyc2k Oct 1, 2012 6:20 AM

Unihikid, glad to be of help! I'm ecstatic to be able to contribute some detective skills to this most amazing of all threads. Heck, calling it a "thread" at this point almost sounds belittling...what we have on our hands now is a friggin' tome!

Beaudry Oct 1, 2012 8:04 AM

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Originally Posted by H.L.P (Post 5850205)
yeah it's definitely a rough neighborhood, but i love it, i wouldn't want it any other way. As for the hipster thing, i kind of hope its a fad that will fade away in time. i live in Alhambra right now, and i cant wait till the day i move back to Highland Park, imma be like...:dancing:

HxLxPx represent! Highland Park can thankfully accommodate both hipster and 'banger and does so very well, better here than anywhere I'd say. If its main problem is that it's gangy (esp now with those Avenues Drew St bust pops gettin' sprung and having to fight it out with Dogtown, who've taken over some turf), big whoop. One can only go to latimes.com, find "Crime" in the masthead, hit "Crime Alerts" or that "Crime Neighborhood Rankings" top ten and you'll find Highland Park not represented therein. Of course, if HlP's main problem is hipsters, big whoop squared; though I hate their Neil Young guitar riffs at 3pm on a Tuesday, can they be heard over the conjunto? To beat their collective band, HlP is LA's fastest-growing black community, as our neighbors from below the border push historically African-American neighborhoods northward.

Sorry, diverted into diversity where I should stay on the subject of architecture: I steward an ample 1907 Tudor/Craftsman, double lot, original fixtures and built-ins and servants' bells and laundry chutes and the greater nine yards, purchased for a song. Half a song. No, literally, a third of a song. Point being: Highland Park is, as the first great suburb of downtown (I said great suburb, Lincoln Heights!) a) the last place, as one treks inexorably east, to buy a primo pad in this burg with maximum bang for the buck and b) where LA's preservation community has the biggest and most watchful stick up its shingled butt when it comes to vigilance over this, our largest HPOZ.

As long as we're on the subject...

Squint your eyes at this http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8176/8...65d2341d_b.jpgand argue that it's not a weirdly groundbreaking modernist building...here in Garvanza when Gill and Wright were still in short-pants. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets.../view/CHS-5206

Catapult yourself forward fifty-three years to...the local Optimist Home!
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044463.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044463.jpg
...of 1953, at 6957 Figueroa.

I could (read: can and will) go on, but you get the idea. Highland Park is Old LA in extremis. Easy to get uppity when reading the derision heaped upon her in, say, CurbedLA. Ours is the most ridiculed and profiled area in town. Cui bono?

BifRayRock Oct 1, 2012 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 5850448)
BifRayRock, many thanks for all the photos of the Dominguez-Wilshire building. I work in this building and love it, and several of the photos you posted are new to me. The lobby of the building has changed very little since the building first opened. Here's how it looks now:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/8...6bc42a1a_b.jpg

The owners recently got those Art Deco elevator floor indicators working again in the lobby, and will have them working on all floors soon.

Also, a huge thanks to everyone that responded to my request for info on the buildings that appeared in Hollywood the Unusual. It's great to know some of those gorgeous structures still stand.

Happy to oblige. There are/were other photos out there (in private hands). Hopefully they will see the light of day - for all to appreciate! (Wondered about those wall sconces!)

Some likely reposts>

1930
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5...uezwilshir.jpghttp://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5...uezwilshir.jpg

1930
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...T-BUI-081?v=hr

1931
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...T-BUI-083?v=hrUSC Digital

1932
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009307.jpglapl

CHBaker - 1958
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...0FAF09975?v=hrUSC Digital



rcarlton Oct 1, 2012 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 5850547)
4350 Beverly Blvd. Photo is recent, but 1922 building does not look modern.

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics23/00061355.jpglapl

Can you show us a picture of the 1922 building?

Lwize Oct 1, 2012 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kznyc2k (Post 5849914)
I found the old Cotton Club thanks to the wonderful Historic Aerials. It sat with its back to National Boulevard, right next to the old Helms Bakeries factory.
Another aerial, this one undated although it should be noted the billboards are carrying the same ads as in the above image:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035811.jpg
Green Mill Cafe, exterior at LAPL

Interesting to see what was originally on that corner of Washington and National. In the 1980's, the building that now stands on the corner as Surfas was Mike Miller Toyota. I bought a car there in 1987. :)

H.L.P Oct 1, 2012 8:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 5850783)
HxLxPx represent! Highland Park can thankfully accommodate both hipster and 'banger and does so very well, better here than anywhere I'd say. If its main problem is that it's gangy (esp now with those Avenues Drew St bust pops gettin' sprung and having to fight it out with Dogtown, who've taken over some turf), big whoop. One can only go to latimes.com, find "Crime" in the masthead, hit "Crime Alerts" or that "Crime Neighborhood Rankings" top ten and you'll find Highland Park not represented therein. Of course, if HlP's main problem is hipsters, big whoop squared; though I hate their Neil Young guitar riffs at 3pm on a Tuesday, can they be heard over the conjunto? To beat their collective band, HlP is LA's fastest-growing black community, as our neighbors from below the border push historically African-American neighborhoods northward.

Sorry, diverted into diversity where I should stay on the subject of architecture: I steward an ample 1907 Tudor/Craftsman, double lot, original fixtures and built-ins and servants' bells and laundry chutes and the greater nine yards, purchased for a song. Half a song. No, literally, a third of a song. Point being: Highland Park is, as the first great suburb of downtown (I said great suburb, Lincoln Heights!) a) the last place, as one treks inexorably east, to buy a primo pad in this burg with maximum bang for the buck and b) where LA's preservation community has the biggest and most watchful stick up its shingled butt when it comes to vigilance over this, our largest HPOZ.

I could (read: can and will) go on, but you get the idea. Highland Park is Old LA in extremis. Easy to get uppity when reading the derision heaped upon her in, say, CurbedLA. Ours is the most ridiculed and profiled area in town. Cui bono?

Excellent points Beaudry! the hipsters don't really bother me, it was just my reaction from growing up there and seeing it changed so fast, but it did bring alot of business to that strip of York blvd. Either way Highland Park for life!:cheers:

GaylordWilshire Oct 1, 2012 8:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 5850547)
4350 Beverly Blvd. Photo is recent, but 1922 building does not look modern.

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/6760/f...0capture25.jpg


Given the builder and his artwork around town, you'd think there would be some somewhere, but I haven't found any old shots of 4350 Beverly Blvd. Apparently it was designed by Einar Petersen as his own and other artists' studios. Not that I had really ever heard of him: See The Daily Mirror

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R...2520PM.bmp.jpgThe Daily Mirror
The New Rosslyn Hotel

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics30/00064766.jpgLAPL
The Beverly Hills branch of the Security Pacific bank, 1937


He also did murals at Cliftons Brookdale cafeteria--are they still there? Will we see them in the newly restored Cliftons?

rcarlton Oct 1, 2012 10:31 PM

Got to be a story here: A Coca Cola ship on 14th street?
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8032/8...1a11d696_b.jpgGE

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8037/8...a610a80b_b.jpgGE

I stumbled upon this when I was looking for the Humming Bird on 1143 E. 12th Street which sounded like a fun place in 1925.

GaylordWilshire Oct 1, 2012 10:44 PM

:previous:

One of the most famous buildings in the city-- it is actually the remodeling of three or so separate structures by Robert Derrah, who also did Crossroads of the World.


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics29/00034229.jpghttp://lapl.org
A Dick Whittington shot, 1939--looks heavily airbrushed to me.


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068745.jpgLAPL
A 1974 interior shot I've never seen before.

rcarlton Oct 2, 2012 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5851562)
:previous:

One of the most famous buildings in the city-- it is actually the remodeling of three or so separate structures by Robert Derrah, who also did Crossroads of the World.


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics29/00034229.jpghttp://lapl.org
A Dick Whittington shot, 1939--looks heavily airbrushed to me.


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068745.jpgLAPL
A 1974 interior shot I've never seen before.

Ah... a noire connection. The widow of notorious gangster Charles "Goodtime Charlie" Crossman hired Robert Derrah to design the Crossroads of the World.

Godzilla Oct 2, 2012 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5851143)
Can you show us a picture of the 1922 building?

In effect, you are looking at it, circa 1995. The assessor lists the Cotswold-style property as having been built in 1922. Thank you G.Wilshire for the additional information. For being a recent photo, this odd structure looks every bit its 90 years of age and reeks of noir'ishness. I had noticed a photo of an enclosed courtyard with interesting buildings labeled "the Ann Hathaway Village" (Ann without the"e") at the same or an adjoining address - 4350 Beverly Blvd. I had a screen capture, but managed to inadvertently relabel or delete it. Hopefully this is temporary. Per GWilshire's comments, I vaguely remember being in the courtyard and being struck that it seemed much like an outdoor movie set. I am convinced the look was unusual enough that pictures exist. Sorry for any confusion.

http://cbk1.google.com/cbk?output=th...=1&w=300&h=118

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I am not in that area, nor have I visited it in many years, but I remember other interesting courtyard-style apartments or bungalows - close to the property on 1330 N. Formosa that has been attributed to Chaplin aka the French Village. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6887

The first address that comes to mind is 7207 Hampton Avenue in West Hollywood. It is where Poinsettia meets Hampton
https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=...UgWHP37YmCRyW_ If you look at google maps, that complex has been designated as having historic significance. Unfortunately, the historic designation sign is practically worthless since it does not explain why the building is important. Perhaps one of you Noir-vets can post a link by which one can follow-up when confronted with an historic designation sign. Again, the tan sign is clearly visible. Unfortunately, the foliage completely obscures the complex as I remember it.

Although I did not live there, I was acquainted with several residents, most of whom were long retired from "the business." They confirmed that this complex was also used by day players for the nearby UA Studios and had scrapbooks with pictures. I remember the neighbor who was brought to tears looking at the photos and the owner quickly took them away. One resident who worked at the studio when it wore the Goldwyn banner had pictures of someone delivering ice by sliding it into the side of the building. In some of the buildings, the small "ice door" was still present back in the '80s. Although I may be mistaken, I am reasonably convinced that the set of residences was every bit as bizarre and oddly constructed as the Formosa address. I am certain I heard the same Chaplin-Purveyance stories attributed to this location too.

Another interesting courtyard complex with oddly placed bungalows is hidden somewhere on the 7200 Block (South side) of Fountain. The overgrown foliage makes locating the exact spot difficult. I remember it because of the shell lady who decorated the inside and outside of her unit with - shells. And then there is the original building at the northeastern end of the Greenacre cul de sac.


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To make up for my inability to post an early picture of the Cotswold building (above) I am returning to the subject of "Poinsettia" Drive and Place. Some might find it interesting to note that not far away, Poinsettias were grown commercially. While I do not have a specific address for the Farm, it was close to another interesting streamline moderne style apartment complex. The once-called Doheny View Terrace was located at 9231 North Doheny Road at the corner of Sunset Hills Road in what is now West Hollywood. It was not my intention to name drop, but according to the source notes, Markowitz & Sons Inc. designed the 1936 building and celebrities such as Eva Gardener and Mickey Rooney once resided there. The building still exists today wearing a different trim color. "Somewhere" close by, as indicated by one of the photos, there was a Poinsettia farm.

1937:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098565.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098562.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098561.jpglapl

Godzilla Oct 2, 2012 1:03 AM

On the subject of quaint but stereotypical courtyard apts:

Please be considerate of your neighbors, no music until noon on Sundays.:cool:

A Pasadena Courtyard - 1920 "The Alexander Court."
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...MF6XC4EPAR.jpgCalStLib

kznyc2k Oct 2, 2012 8:14 AM

Excuse me if this is a repost but I don't recall seeing this here--it's labelled as "Street view of NBC's $500,000 Hollywood studios". Where was/is this streamline gem?

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-41665?v=hr
USC Digital Library

More delicious deco, this time with a dramatic location:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics47/00073099.jpg
Don Lee Broadcasting System antenna at LAPL

GaylordWilshire Oct 2, 2012 1:23 PM

:previous:

5515 Melrose Ave. This was NBC's studio before Radio City at Sunset & Vine--still there. That's RKO to the left; Paramount is down the street to the right.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...2520AM.bmp.jpg

GaylordWilshire Oct 2, 2012 1:29 PM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T...2520AM.bmp.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img221/5632/1...plantconfi.jpg

Looks like he's been chewing a few leaves. I guess the wheel-and-arrow insignia on his sleeve means he's assigned to a car rather than to foot patrol...?

MichaelRyerson Oct 2, 2012 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5852177)
Looks like he's been chewing a few leaves. I guess the wheel-and-arrow insignia on his sleeve means he's assigned to a car rather than to foot patrol...?

Actually it means he's a motorcycle officer.

Handsome Stranger Oct 2, 2012 5:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5852169)
:previous:

5515 Melrose Ave. This was NBC's studio before Radio City at Sunset & Vine--still there. That's RKO to the left; Paramount is down the street to the right.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...2520AM.bmp.jpg

The same building was also home to television station KHJ Channel 9 from 1955 until the late 1980s. That station was under the control of RKO General, the vestigial remains of RKO Pictures.

http://www.johninmontana.com/california/khj.jpg
[source: johninmontana.com]

KHJ-TV was acquired by Disney in 1988. The station's call letters were changed to KCAL and they vacated the Melrose Ave location, simultaneously dismissing all of the employees of KHJ-TV.

Hollywood used to be quite dense with radio and television broadcasters. To the best of my knowledge, only one remains: television station KTLA, occupying the old Warner Brothers studios on Sunset.

Steve Hoffman Oct 2, 2012 5:49 PM

Don't forget the West Coast recording studio of DECCA RECORDS was right there as well. Close enough that Bing Crosby could walk right out of Paramount and into the studio to record some songs and he could walk right back onto the lot again..

rmos Oct 2, 2012 6:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 5852542)
The same building was also home to television station KHJ Channel 9 from 1955 until the late 1980s. That station was under the control of RKO General, the vestigial remains of RKO Pictures.

http://www.johninmontana.com/california/khj.jpg
[source: johninmontana.com]

KHJ-TV was acquired by Disney in 1988. The station's call letters were changed to KCAL and they vacated the Melrose Ave location, simultaneously dismissing all of the employees of KHJ-TV.

Hollywood used to be quite dense with radio and television broadcasters. To the best of my knowledge, only one remains: television station KTLA, occupying the old Warner Brothers studios on Sunset.

Capitol Records bought this building from KHJ Radio in 1949 and used it for recording before they built the Tower in 1956.

Arch2000 Oct 2, 2012 7:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5849323)
Found an interesting theater at Whittier and Atlantic.

Architect Clifford A. Balch designed the 1927 Churrigueresque/Deco style Golden Gate Theater and Vega Building, located at 5176 East Whittier Boulevard, at the corner of Atlantic in East Los Angeles. The entrance replicated the portal of the University of Salamanca in Spain and the original 12 stores, also of Spanish design, were housed on the first floor of the Vega Building. The theater was designed both as a legitimate playhouse, seating 1,500 and a movie house. The courtyard contained two fountains and A.B. Heinsberger created the interiors. This complex was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1982. The Vega Building was demolished in 1992, but the theater was saved and is still standing today.

And now:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/8...b15c89d5_b.jpgGoogle Earth

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/8...2904bf02_b.jpgGoogle Earth

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/8...0ec739a0_b.jpgGoogle Earth

The theater has recently been turned into a CVS pharmacy. See the Curbed LA article: http://la.curbed.com/archives/2012/0...utiful_cvs.php

It's not the best use for the building, nor the best adaption, but at the very least it's back to being a useful part of the community and the owners/builders/tenants have taken enough care to work around and maintain historic and unique features of the building.

ethereal_reality Oct 3, 2012 12:28 AM

A few days ago, I mentioned that I had come across one of the sites on the 1920s tourist map while watching
a rather obscure Mack Sennett film. The site was the 'Palace de Glace'.

originally posted by bifrayrock
http://imageshack.us/a/img171/9158/a...ementssspb.jpg
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The film was 'Ice Cold Cocos' (1926) starring Billy Bevan & Andy Clyde. Luckily, I had my camera ready and took these screen grabs.


http://imageshack.us/a/img688/7031/dsc0360x.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/




http://imageshack.us/a/img688/4706/dsc0377t.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/



http://imageshack.us/a/img18/5776/dsc0364gl.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/



below: There are a few interior shots as well.

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/8196/dsc0379zo.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/

Obviously this could be a soundstage but I doubt it.
I don't think Mr. Sennett would spend the extra money to recreate a skating rink when the 'Palace de Glace'
was available right there in the Edendale/Silver Lake area.
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Earlier in the film a young housewife hangs a placard out her window to let the ice man know she needs more ice.

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/500/dsc0361od.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/

I was completely surprised by this.
It never occurred to me that a sign was used (notice the numbers representing how many pounds of ice she needs).



As luck would have it....steps!!*

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/2936/dsc0370om.jpg

*Are these the same steps that Laurel and Hardy used several years later? Could be!



There are also nice views of the surrounding area.

http://imageshack.us/a/img210/1979/dsc0372jd.jpg



http://imageshack.us/a/img811/9558/dsc0365m.jpg





I especially like this one!

http://imageshack.us/a/img843/7900/dsc0374qw.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/

Question to you 'noirish' followers...does that hilltop in the distance look familiar?
(notice the fairly large mansion to the right of the summit)



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unihikid Oct 3, 2012 1:06 AM

not to get of subject but in the map it says pico golf...its right near pico and fairfax which is where i grew up.where was this pico golf?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5853118)
A few days ago, I mentioned that I had come across one of the sites on the 1920s tourist map while watching
a rather obscure Mack Sennett film. The site was the 'Palace de Glace'.

originally posted by bifrayrock
http://imageshack.us/a/img171/9158/a...ementssspb.jpg
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The film was 'Ice Cold Cocos' (1926) starring Billy Bevan & Andy Clyde. Luckily, I had my camera ready and took these screen grabs.


http://imageshack.us/a/img688/7031/dsc0360x.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/




http://imageshack.us/a/img688/4706/dsc0377t.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/



http://imageshack.us/a/img18/5776/dsc0364gl.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/



below: There are a few interior shots as well.

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/8196/dsc0379zo.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/

Obviously this could be a soundstage but I doubt it.
I don't think Mr. Sennett would spend the extra money to recreate a skating rink when the 'Palace de Glace'
was available right there in the Edendale/Silver Lake area.
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Earlier in the film a young housewife hangs a placard out her window to let the ice man know she needs more ice.

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/500/dsc0361od.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/

I was completely surprised by this.
It never occurred to me that a sign was used (notice the numbers representing how many pounds of ice she needs).



As luck would have it....steps!!*

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/2936/dsc0370om.jpg

*I believe these are the same steps that Laurel and Hardy used several years later.



There are also nice views of the surrounding area.

http://imageshack.us/a/img210/1979/dsc0372jd.jpg



http://imageshack.us/a/img811/9558/dsc0365m.jpg





I especially like this one!

http://imageshack.us/a/img843/7900/dsc0374qw.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/

Question to you 'noirish' followers...does that hilltop in the distance have a name?



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ethereal_reality Oct 3, 2012 1:26 AM

The Maryland Hotel in 1969.

http://imageshack.us/a/img233/3859/a...elglendale.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/3236/aa...dhotelinfo.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=64463






The Maryland Hotel as it appears today.

http://imageshack.us/a/img94/971/aamarylandh.jpg
google street view

Woe is me...the rooftop sign is gone. :(

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Albany NY Oct 3, 2012 2:20 AM

There's history all over that corner
 
rcarltonposted: Got to be a story here: A Coca Cola ship on 14th street?
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8032/8...1a11d696_b.jpgGE

Out of curiosity, I checked Google Maps and noticed an interesting building across the corner from the Coca-Cola ship. A fire station with an interesting history. I don't recall seeing it here before. "My bad" if its been covered already.
First, the former fire station as it exists today.
http://imageshack.us/a/img28/473/eng...googlemaps.jpgGoogle Maps
Now the history. According to LAFire.com, "On September 4, 1917 the City Council directed the fire commission to remove the white firemen from Fire Station 30 at 1401 S. Central Ave. and replace them with the black firemen from Hose Co. No 4. Acting Chief Engineer O'Donnell resented the City Council's interference of internal fire department affairs and refused- only he had the authority to assign personnel. In addition, Engine 30 required an engineer and the city's Engineering Department had a policy of refusing to certify blacks. Blacks were only trained to operate chemical hose companies. In the mid-20's there was a sudden upsurge of men of color joining the fire service and a the need for a larger station intensified. The battle to make Engine 30 an all-black station took seven years. Engine 30 was a popular assignment and the white firemen threatened to strike. Racial tensions mounted. Never-the-less on April 16, 1924 the white firemen were removed and the black firemen from Hose 4 were transferred in. As more blacks joined the department Engine 30 became crowded. The department's wrecker (heavy rescue) was assigned to Fire Station 30, simply because there was insufficient riding room for all the firemen on the engines and truck. Another station was needed."
http://imageshack.us/a/img696/4417/circa1914.jpgCirca 1914 Image from LAFire.com

I like being able to see inside these utilitarian buildings to see how our protectors lived so long ago.
http://imageshack.us/a/img41/6812/recroomcirca1915.jpgRec Room, Circa 1915 Image from LAFire.com

http://imageshack.us/a/img253/8942/s...ersmay1419.jpg Sleeping Quarters, Circa 1915 Image from LAFire.com

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/6327/i...rcirca1918.jpg Just Posing, Circa 1915 Image from LAFire.com

http://imageshack.us/a/img825/8527/circa19201921.jpg Circa 1920-1921 Image from LAFire.com

Curiously, I was unable to find any pictures of the station or crew after the switch to black firefighters, except for this single collage of the crew from around 1925.
http://imageshack.us/a/img228/3810/crewcirca1925.jpg Circa 1925 Image from LAFire.com

I've always felt the true history of a city is in its people, as well as its buildings. In the case of Engine Co. 30, I guess it's history its literally black-and-white.

BifRayRock Oct 3, 2012 3:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5853118)
A few days ago, I mentioned that I had come across one of the sites on the 1920s tourist map while watching
a rather obscure Mack Sennett film. The site was the 'Palace de Glace'.

originally posted by bifrayrock
http://imageshack.us/a/img171/9158/a...ementssspb.jpg
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http://imageshack.us/a/img18/5776/dsc0364gl.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/

below: There are a few interior shots as well.
http://imageshack.us/a/img51/8196/dsc0379zo.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/

Earlier in the film a young housewife hangs a placard out her window to let the ice man know she needs more ice.
http://imageshack.us/a/img600/500/dsc0361od.jpg
http://www.tcm.com/

I was completely surprised by this.
It never occurred to me that a sign was used (notice the numbers representing how many pounds of ice she needs).
As luck would have it....steps!!*
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/2936/dsc0370om.jpg

*Are these the same steps that Laurel and Hardy used several years later? Could be!

Ice Doors, Ice Skating and Ice. :previous: Blimey! http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9585

Not sure about golf but how about an Igloo at 4302 Pico [Blvd.]?
August '27
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-31097?v=hrhttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068650.jpgUSC digital

April 19, 1928. Cornucopia Ice Cream Stand, 1934 San Fernando Blvd
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068651.jpgLapl

Undated
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics47/00073283.jpgLapl

And how about the Cuckoo Clock on Beverly Blvd.? http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9558

ethereal_reality Oct 3, 2012 3:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kznyc2k (Post 5852068)
More delicious deco, this time with a dramatic location:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics47/00073099.jpg
Don Lee Broadcasting System antenna at LAPL


below: kznyc2k, here is a beautiful graphic. I swoon over images such as this.

http://imageshack.us/a/img155/989/11...ardcalifbo.jpg
repeat/ssp






http://imageshack.us/a/img23/1124/11donlee.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img402/3852/11donlee2.jpg

I am still baffled by Don Lee's decision to build a swimming pool atop Mt. Lee. What was the need?


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BifRayRock Oct 3, 2012 4:02 AM

A place to cool off?

Nighttime - Ocean Park, Santa Monica circa 1912:
http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0LMU Digital


http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitalcollections.lmu.edu/ut...XT=&DMROTATE=0

BifRayRock Oct 3, 2012 4:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5852169)
:previous:

5515 Melrose Ave. This was NBC's studio before Radio City at Sunset & Vine--still there. That's RKO to the left; Paramount is down the street to the right.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...2520AM.bmp.jpg

Sunset and Vine, '40s
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6...cb6320b8_b.jpgFlickr


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