Thanks, e_r. I've been dying to go back, and my fiance has never been and has always wanted to go. This seemed like a good excuse. :shrug::D

Excerpts and photos from the book here - scroll to the top:

http://books.google.com/books?id=CGm...page&q&f=false

:previous: Wow, thanks for identifying the house at 1040 Westlake Beaudry. I was afraid it was long gone.

Oh, and great photographs of the Stimson House David/3940dxer. Thanks for posting them.



below: Just for fun...I tried to lightened your screen grab G_W.

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1898-Harper Home and Groves, Hollywood, CA by ozfan22, on Flickr
Description from Flickr:
Panoramic view of the Charles Harper Victorian home and property, standing at the entrance to Laurel Canyon in Hollywood. A man, perhaps Charles Harper, stands in the foreground in 1898. Harper, a merchant, had a hardware store on Spring near Temple Streets.

:previous: Great image kanhawk! I didn't realize the Harper Ranch was located at the entrance to Laurel Canyon....very interesting.
This would be in the general vicinity of the original Schwab's drugstore.



below: Here is another view of Harper Ranch dated 1900. In this photo we're looking due east.

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http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=42408

Schwab's Pharmacy at 8024 Sunset Boulevard at Crescents Heights. Obviously this is many years after the above photographs of the Harper Ranch.


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http://martinturnbull.wordpress.com/...for-that-call/

Another view of Schwab's Pharmacy at Sunset & Crescent Heights in 1949.


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http://hollywoodhistoricphotos.ipowe...oducts_id/2644

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I was in Glendale yesterday evening; driving past Armenian bakeries and banquet halls, and the corner of East Broadway and Maryland, I never would've guessed that what is now the Fortune Inn Chinese restaurant, was once a "Little Bob's," as in Bob's Big Boy, the restaurant chain that started in Glendale. Apparently after they opened the main restaurant, they also opened a smaller one. This was at 121 E. Broadway in downtown Glendale, some blocks west of the City Hall (which at night, looks very noirish, with its WPA-style architecture, at least the original building does, not the Glendale Civic Center's later additions).
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From Vintage Los Angeles facebook
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Was this the waning years of Glendale's era of being a Sundown Town?


This woman reeks of "Female Trouble." Dawn Davenport, anyone? The year, 1960. The location, 401 N. Brand Blvd. in Glendale; it's actually Maureen Bollier of 1004 Cornell Drive, Glendale; she's receiving a Salk polio shot at a unique drive-in clinic that the Los Angeles County Medical Association set up at Glendale Federal Savings and Loan Association.
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Some music to go with it, also from 1960. It might sound familiar to some of you (being used in the film "Key Witness.")
• Video Link

...and Maureen is driving her new Austin-Healey Bug Eye Sprite.

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Google Earth ain't perfect but it helps in telling the story. It's a cool tool.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...uralCanyon.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...2520AM.bmp.jpg Car Lust
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B...s640/honda.jpg Google SV


At 4077 West Pico Blvd, just down the street from the Forum Theater...

According to the Car Lust blog, "Honda first set up shop in the U.S. on June 11, 1959, with an unassuming little storefront in Los Angeles named the American Honda Motor Co. Inc."...

Hi,
I'm Barbara Payton's biographer and I was happy to see her being discussed here. Barbara's life story is currently being developed for a feature-length documentary titled "Bad Blonde", and I hope that those who find the film noir aspects of her life interesting will support the project once it comes to fruition. I am also currently working on a photo book titled “Barbara Payton: A Life in Pictures”, which will contain over 600 rare and previously unpublished images of Barbara from her life and career, as well as associated text from Barbara's best friend and sister-in-law, Jan Redfield, and myself. Thanks very much for allowing me to contribute to this forum. The photos here are absolutely dynamite!
Thanks again,
John O'Dowd

Yes!!!!!
It doesn't get any cooler than this.... :cheers:
Thank you! Please keep us updated on the project.

http://www.hollywoodstarletbarbarapa.../whatsnew.html

http://lisaburks.typepad.com/home/20...ography_c.html

re: Barbara Payton
 

Thanks very much! Here's a link to a new article on Barbara's documentary. I am very eager to get to work on it and to really get into her unbelievably interesting (and HARROWING) life. Thank you again.

http://www.highlighthollywood.com/20...ood-exclusive/

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e...stillwell1.jpg Daily Bungalow

I recently came across a photostream including a portfolio of one of the many American
house-plan companies of the prewar era. E.W. Stillwell & Co. was based in downtown Los
Angeles. As I looked through some of its houses on the photostream, one in particular
caught my eye... something about its roof vents:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...2520PM.bmp.jpg Daily Bungalow

There may have been other houses built in L.A. using the same plan, but it looks to me like
the plan-book photo just above is of the familar Colonial I'd posted here before and had
managed to connect with '20s star Colleen Moore....



I'm sure that many if not all built examples of Stillwell's plans were in Los Angeles...I'm going to be on the lookout for the others

There may have been other houses built in L.A. using the same plan, but it looks to me like
the plan-book photo just above is of the familar Colonial I'd posted here before and had
managed to connect with '20s star Colleen Moore....





I'm sure that many if not all built examples of Stillwell's plans were in Los Angeles...I'm going to be on the lookout for the others[/QUOTE]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...2520PM.bmp.jpg Daily Bungalow

There may have been other houses built in L.A. using the same plan, but it looks to me like
the plan-book photo just above is of the familar Colonial I'd posted here before and had
managed to connect with '20s star Colleen Moore....





I'm sure that many if not all built examples of Stillwell's plans were in Los Angeles...I'm going to be on the lookout for the others[/QUOTE]

As a small child, around 1938-39, I remember going to downtown Los Angeles, possibly the May Company to see Colleen Moore's famous doll-house. I was absoloutely mesmerized...it had working electric lights, running water in a fountain...and so much more...I think I read much later that it ended up in Chicago at a museum...

Welcome to the thread John O'Dowd! Good luck with your documentary of Barbara Payton...it all sounds very interesting.
I'm surprised that there hasn't been a feature film in the same vein as 1982's Frances.



below: Franchot Tone and Barbara Payton arriving at LAX on Oct. 29, 1951. And no, that isn't Edith Head on the steps. ;)


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http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1333230985676


above: I noticed the Mercury New York sign....did airlines name their planes back then?





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I have a question for you Mr. O'Dowd. Do you know the address of the house in the following photograph?


Franchot Tone leaving Barbara Payton's home in 1951.

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http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1333230985676

WOW times a thousand!!! I have been extremely busy with a design project over the last few weeks and unable to visit the thread very much. Imagine my delight, when I took time to visit today, to find all of these great posts about Barbara Payton.

From the time of my first post about her a few months ago, I have become obsessed with getting to know more about her and her ultimately tragic short life.

I am especially thrilled that you have joined the thread Mr. O'Dowd, as I just recently finished your beautifully warm biography of Barbara "Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye: The Barbara Payton Story". What a great read! Thank you.

Online, I was also able to find the interview that you conducted with her son John Lee. His loving and understanding words regarding his mother were very touching in that they were so obviously heartfelt.

I have bought, rented, downloaded, etc. copies of every Barbara movie that I can find and can say that she was definitely a presence on film. So striking and statuesque.

A few weeks ago I drove out to Cypress View to pay my respects and leave flowers at Barbara's internment site. It was pleasing to see that someone else had left flowers for her as well. Feeling that it was somehow appropriate, I drove our '51 Cadillac convertible out there.

Thank you to everyone who has posted about Barbara lately and I certainly look forward to the film and new book Mr. O'Dowd!

~Jon Paul

'Honeymoon in Hollywood' pan right---->


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photo album/ebay

I like the street activity in this postcard of the Angelus Temple.


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Hi ethereal reality,
The building to the left of Franchot Tone is Barbara Payton's apartment at the time of the brawl, which is located at 1803 N. Courtney Terrace in Los Angeles. Barbara lived there from 1951 to sometime in 1954, when she moved to a rented, 15-room house (with a swimming pool) that is at 1534 North Beverly Drive in Beverly Hills (near the Beverly Hills Hotel).

These are great images and are among the dozens of old wire photos that I am interested in licensing for Barbara's photo book. I have a definite vision for the book and it is to depict the LA NOIR world (underworld?) that Barbara existed in back then. I have been working on the book for a couple of years now and I keep finding photos that I want to include in it. I thought I had dug pretty deep for the ones I have found thus far, but now I want to keep digging as I think there are probably many more rare pics to be found. :)

All the best,
John O'Dowd

Hi Jon Paul,
Thank you very much for your great note about Barbara, and I think it is terrific that you recently paid your respects to her at her place of rest. Barbara went through a lot of bad stuff in Hollywood -- and yes, much of it was her own doing -- but I think it would really thrill her to know that there are people who enjoyed her work (and her beauty), and that she hasn't been forgotten.

Your '51 Cadillac convertible sounds like a real beaut! I would love to find a photo of the red Cadillac convertible that Barbara drove back then, but I'm not sure if such a photo even exists.

I'm very glad and grateful to hear that you liked Barbara's book. I worked on it for several years and it was important to me that I tried to be as respectful of her as I could, while also telling her story truthfully. It wasn't an easy task, but I can honestly say that I know I did the best job I could for Barbara.

Her son John Lee Payton is a wonderful person and he still loves his mother deeply. Barbara was tough and wild, but she was also an incredibly loving person. I'm glad I had an opportunity to reveal that about her, and it is all thanks to John Payton and Jan Redfield, who, as you know, was Barbara's sister-in-law.

Thank you again for welcoming me here, Jon Paul. I see that the process for posting photos here is somewhat involved, but I will try to master it and post a few rare pics I have of Barbara, soon.

Best wishes,
John

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Yes--it was common for the airlines to name individual aircraft back in the prop era--and many still do (Jetblue names each plane something with "blue" in it). Notice "Flagship Tennessee" at Grand Central airport circa 1936. American's planes were "Flagships," United's were "Mainliners," Pan Am had its "Clippers." But "Mercury" was the name of a particular service, following the practice of the railroads--i.e., the 20th Century between NY & Chicago and the Super Chief between Chicago and L.A. American's Mercury was its transcon service between LA & NY, and it started with its DC3s (seen at top) introduced in 1936. The plane in the b&w shot above is a DC6. Later the Mercury name was used for other routes as well, and into the 707 era.

The Night Train
 

A friend recently sent a link to this vintage 1946 Columbia reel. I thought it was really neat and then thought the gang here might enjoy it. http://archive.org/details/PET0981_R-5
It is a film taken from a Southern Pacific train while moving out of the LA area at night. Hope you like it
JoeW

that looks like a sante fe line but i want to say thats a pe line sooooo badly.the station around 7:50 looks like a pe station...great footage though

1887 Aerial Balloon Map Decoded
 

This morning I re-discovered this old 1887 aerial balloon may and spent a few hours trying to decode the main downtown streets. Here's what I came up with -- please correct me anyone, if you notice any errors or important omissions. (I oriented it vertically for publication here, to save viewers from massive amounts of scrolling.)

http://dkse.net/david/1887.balloon.markup.1200.jpg

American Airlines offered Mercury Service on its most premier flights. It was an early version of domestic first class. I think later on they referred to tourist or coach as Royal Coachman Service.

Regarding Franchot Tone and his toney background. I briefly attended boarding school with Jeff Tone, who was Franchot Tone's son by the woman he left for Payton. I remember once when Franchot Tone visited the school and was an honored lunch guest who was introduced to all the impressionable boys at the school by the headmaster. There was no mention that Mr. Tone had this drawn out and ugly affair with the trollop Barbara Payton. We were left with the impression that Franchot Tone was an aristocratic and wealthy movie star of impeccable background. His son, Jeff, was golden and beautiful. He seemed to have such a glamorous life with homes and parents in NYC and Beverly Hills. Who knew about his agrieved mother and all the scandal!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H...2520PM.bmp.jpgInternet Archive
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...2520AM.bmp.jpgInternet Archive


A couple of screenshots from that incredible noirish Columbia process footage of a train running through the Valley--I guess it's the Southern Pacific, with clouds of steam streaming past the lens on occasion. There are signs indicating Van Nuys and Newhall; there are farm-equipment dealers, light industry, filling stations, tourist courts, cafes--fantastic pre-boom Valley scenery.

A couple more nice photos from the flickr account of ozfan22, who has a nice collection:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5003/5...7d333820_z.jpg
1899-Los Angeles View by ozfan22, on Flickr

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1897-Los Angeles Freeway by ozfan22, on Flickr
Description:
Early travel through the Cahuenga Pass, which connected Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley, was done on bicycles by some. This area would later become Cahuenga Blvd., just south of Whitley Terrace.

Wow, great job in decoding the 1887 balloon aerial David/3940dxer. That took some work....but it was worth it.

http://imageshack.us/a/img812/555/aa...ecoded1887.jpg
originally posted by 3940dxer

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Thanks for the airline information G_W and austlar1. I think it's great that the airlines named special routes
of course this was back when flying was highly romantic.

Also G_W, that is the first color photograph of Grand Central Air Terminal that I've seen when it was a working airport.
It's hard to believe the terminal sits empty today.


below: The 'Angels of Flight' still stand guard at the terminal.

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http://www.dipity.com/


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http://www.dipity.com/

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Your guess is as good as mine. The photograph is dated April 1st 1947.

Tempest Storm and Betty Rowland
 

Tempest Storm's birthday image coupled with the image of the Follies marquee showing Betty Rowland as the headliner seems to have led to some confusion. These two lovely ladies are not the same person. Betty Rowland was born Betty Jane Rowland (1916) and Tempest Storm, born Annie Blanche Banks (1928).

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-C...2520PM.bmp.jpg A Certain Cinema
Cornel Wilde in Shockproof, 1949.


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Jean Wallace with Franchot...and then Cornel...


Jeff Tone (Thomas Jefferson Tone, who died in 2005) was one of two sons of Franchot and actress Jean Wallace, who was not without her unstable habits--
one suicide attempt with pills and another with a butcher knife when Jeff and his older brother were young--but not the crazy übertramp that Payton was.
(Franchot sure could pick 'em.) Jean seemed to get her act together when she married the thousand-times more attractive Cornel Wilde in 1955 (and who
wouldn't be happy married to him?)...at least until their bitter divorce 25 years later.


Jean had an alot of different looks over the years....
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Lower pictures: A Certain Cinema; StirredStraightUp; A Certain Cinema; A Certain Cinema; A Certain Cinema; franchot.exblog.jp

Whoa ! Mjr altitude for an early manned balloon ! The street w/question mark twixt Grand and Hope would be Bunker Hill Ave. You do mean to indicate that the courthouse is over 3 inches @ Fort n Temple I gather--Sorta light triangle (the lawn? or excavation) at that intersection

Once saw article in LAT of female leaper here on Aimee's front sidewalk back in the 30's --

You know I love you all dearly, especially you Gaylord_Wilshire, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with the disparaging remarks
about Barbara Payton.

None of us can possibly understand what was going on in her mind.
For all we know she could be struggling with an undiagnosed bipolar disorder.
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I'm really not interested in Barbara Payton at all, other than as a sad noir footnote. I'm not sure why we're now expected to venerate her, and I definitely won't try to give her a psychiatric evaluation, any more than I would Mickey Cohen, Virginia Hill, Hazel Glab, Betty Short, Brenda Allen or any of the other characters we've discussed. Are there to be only genteel references to the dark side of Hollywood figures of the noir era on a thread called Noirish Los Angeles?

I was down in Hollywood today and went by the apartment complex that E_R asked about a few pages back. I was able to get inside and spoke to a guy who was in the process of moving out. It's a pretty cool place. This is the first time I've attempted to upload pictures... I hope it goes well...

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I'll post these now and see if I did it right. If all goes well, I have some shots of inside the units and more of the courtyard. You old pro's at this are great to put up with the new kids

:previous: Those are excellent Sean! The place really does seem enchanting. I've been waiting for someone to explore this mysterious place. Kudos :)

Gaylord_Wilshire:
I apologize for my post. There should be no censorship in a public forum. It was a stupid mistake on my part.

That said...who in the heck is Hazel Glab?

This is the front side entrance located to the right of the Historic Building sign. The mailboxes are located here and it seems to be the main in-out for the tenants.

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The courtyard is full of neat things like this
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Alot of units have stainglass windows
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Cool turrets
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The courtyard areas are very shaddy
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Some of the units
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Not real happy with these inside shots. The units are very small and I couldn't quite get the shots. The doorways are low and narrow, but the details are awsome.
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E_R, thanks, still getting a handle on the uploads, don't know why some went sideways (I do too sometimes). Hazel Glab was a real cookie... defo book worthy.

Great shots Sean!

and speaking of Hazel, we discussed her bizarre life a few months back on here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4812

~Jon Paul

I recently came across this 'foreboding' apartment building on the southeast corner of 9th & Gramercy Place.


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google street view



below: Studying the facade I believe the multitude of rust colored 'diamonds' are the end braces of a seismic retrofit.

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google street view




below: I lightened this image to see what is carved above the entrance but the damn utility pole was in the way. :(

http://imageshack.us/a/img338/664/ap...hgramercyp.jpg
google street view.

My guess is that it says 'Chateau Du-Val' but nothing came up when I googled that name.

Wouldn't you absolutely love to rummage through the basement of this place? It sends my imagination soaring!

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Art deco apartments get $3.1 million renovation
Los Angeles—Chateau Du-Val, LLC, a 40-unit building here, was sold to an individual investor, Richard Stromberg, for $3.1 million. Charles Dunn Co. brokered the transaction.

"Chateau Du-Val was constructed in 1929 and is truly art deco in design, including a slate roof and leaded glass windows," said Albert Shilton, Charles Dunn senior managing director. "Aside from the unique architecture, the building wasn't rent controlled so the buyer could renovate the units and raise the rents to market," he added.

http://www.housingfinance.com/aft/ar...onal_news.html

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Great find, e_r.

Mayor Shaw--may I call you Frank? Well, Art Deco, it ain't. It's Chateauesque...that style very popular in L.A. in the '20s. Maybe the interiors are Deco... anyone care to go knocking? Btw, GREAT tour of the Normandie Towers.


Another Chateauesque building I hadn't noticed before is the Chateau La Martine at 627 S. Normandie...

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2...martinebig.jpgLAPL

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N...2520AM.bmp.jpgGoogle SV
The few interior shots I've seen of the La Martine--tiny ones online--reveal that its interiors are in concert with its
exterior. I'm always surprised to find domestic architecture still so close to Wilshire. I guess it depends on the block.

re: Barbara Payton
 

Hi Jon Paul and ethereal_reality,
If you have any questions about Barbara Payton (or about any of the places she lived at) please feel free to contact me at my email address:jod6cindy@aol.com, and I'll be happy to answer them if I can.
Thanks again for your interest and for your hospitality.
Sincerely,
John O'Dowd