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Pilton Jul 1, 2017 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by r18tdi (Post 7850810)
So what's your solution? More parking or less? :haha:

No parking solution from me. The WP PD zoning has included an overly generous max since 1974 - when the neighborhood north of the River was mainly parking lots, light industry and warehouses. I assume the developer will build parking spaces to the max allowed.

But, I do believe WP will be so congested by the maxed parking on the site that Orleans St. will be gridlocked most of the time. That gridlock will need to be alleviated, IMO, by widening Orleans St., granting vehicles access to WP from Kinzie St. and building a bike and pedestrian bridge across the River to handle people coming from the train and rapid transit stations SW of WP.

So far, the development on WP keeps shrinking. WPW is less than the original plans. WPE will be less than the original plans. And, WPS? The latest plans show a narrowed footprint, no billowing above the plaza and the tower backed off the southern tip of WP. Perhaps WPS will be spectacularly high. I'd love that. But, the trend of the development seems lower and smaller (except for those commercial parking spaces).

pilsenarch Jul 2, 2017 7:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilton (Post 7852124)
No parking solution from me. The WP PD zoning has included an overly generous max since 1974 - when the neighborhood north of the River was mainly parking lots, light industry and warehouses. I assume the developer will build parking spaces to the max allowed.

But, I do believe WP will be so congested by the maxed parking on the site that Orleans St. will be gridlocked most of the time. That gridlock will need to be alleviated, IMO, by widening Orleans St., granting vehicles access to WP from Kinzie St. and building a bike and pedestrian bridge across the River to handle people coming from the train and rapid transit stations SW of WP.

So far, the development on WP keeps shrinking. WPW is less than the original plans. WPE will be less than the original plans. And, WPS? The latest plans show a narrowed footprint, no billowing above the plaza and the tower backed off the southern tip of WP. Perhaps WPS will be spectacularly high. I'd love that. But, the trend of the development seems lower and smaller (except for those commercial parking spaces).

Jarta, I'm sorry, but your lack of a urban planning background and your obvious cluelessness on what properties actually generate traffic, and how much, makes a dialogue with you on this subject probably pointless...

BTW, I was at the Mart the other day, and once again I found it remarkable how desolate Orleans is of traffic (and how wide the viaduct is between the mart and the old Apparel mart)...

Residential buildings barely generate any measurable traffic... they just don't... look it up.

As far as the potential office building located this close to the stations... pretty much the same thing... very little traffic...

A hotel? well, that can produce some activity but I think the existing infrastructure can more than adequately handle it... and then some and then a lot more some... and then, a huge more some!

No need for tunnels under the river or suspension bridges :rolleyes:... (though those would be cool)

Oh, and one more thing, I've designed multi-use projects in the loop for Chicago developers, and they often DON'T build to the max parking allowed, but rather only build to the min required..

SteelMonkey Jul 3, 2017 2:39 AM

As we don't have a Wolf Point East thread as of yet I thought I would post this here. If you haven't noticed, it seems the Clark Construction webcam that had followed River Point Plazas (444 w Lake) rise, is now focused on Wolf Point (as of June 27th). Provides a solid view of River North also. Best webcam placement I've seen in a long while

https://app.oxblue.com/open/clarkcon...iverpointplaza

Cheers

Edit ..After looking at the feed it seems it stopped on Friday at 4PM. Damn

BuildThemTaller Jul 3, 2017 3:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelMonkey (Post 7852983)
As we don't have a Wolf Point East thread as of yet I thought I would post this here. If you haven't noticed, it seems the Clark Construction webcam that had followed River Point Plazas (444 w Lake) rise, is now focused on Wolf Point (as of June 27th). Provides a solid view of River North also. Best webcam placement I've seen in a long while

https://app.oxblue.com/open/clarkcon...iverpointplaza

Cheers

Edit ..After looking at the feed it seems it stopped on Friday at 4PM. Damn

There's a WPE thread right here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=228891

It's not listed in the Chicago forum yet.

HomrQT Jul 3, 2017 6:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7851008)
How convenient for Hines to leave out 150 Riverside; and really? A 3-car 'L"?

I'm still hoping it'll crack 1,000'.

Such a ruined opportunity if this thing doesn't go taller.

And maybe the rendering is from a Sunday when the trains are shorter? :haha:

HomrQT Jul 3, 2017 6:24 PM

*double post*

Zapatan Jul 4, 2017 7:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HomrQT (Post 7853481)
Such a ruined opportunity if this thing doesn't go taller.

And maybe the rendering is from a Sunday when the trains are shorter? :haha:

Since we were never really expecting taller, I don't think 1000' to the roof would be that disappointing. At least it would semi stick out in the area.

It would be a great place for a 400+ meter building but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

Busy Bee Jul 4, 2017 9:17 PM

No such thing as a three car L train in Chicago. Cars are married pairs...2,4,6,8...

HomrQT Jul 5, 2017 1:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 7854458)
Since we were never really expecting taller, I don't think 1000' to the roof would be that disappointing. At least it would semi stick out in the area.

It would be a great place for a 400+ meter building but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

Chicago has spoiled me. I always want bigger and better for this city.

donnie Oct 3, 2017 4:29 AM

Nice:cheers:

donnie Oct 3, 2017 4:37 AM

I do hope south tower gets built regardless!

Jibba Jan 24, 2018 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by donnie (Post 8059086)

The one illustration makes the south tower look like an absolute hog. Presumably that's the rendering software struggling with creating proper perspective...

Were elevations of the S tower part of the PD docs?

Steely Dan Jan 24, 2018 6:43 PM

new renderings courtesy of curbed:



https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/UmGf...noonaerial.jpg
source: https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/1/24...ent-renderings




source: https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/1/24...ent-renderings



https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4WFo...ill02_dusk.jpg
source: https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/1/24...ent-renderings



https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/GYn3...bridgedusk.jpg
source: https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/1/24...ent-renderings



https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/AM4S...gonwater.0.jpg
source: https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/1/24...ent-renderings

sentinel Jan 24, 2018 6:45 PM

Hot damn. Sleek and sexy

jc5680 Jan 24, 2018 6:49 PM

Yeah, it looks kind of like what photoshop used to do when too much perspective correction is added. The vertical elements are all square, but the heights aren't adjusted enough making everything look kind of squat.

This one looks… not good:



(from curbed)

BuildThemTaller Jan 24, 2018 6:49 PM

Interesting notes on Wolf Point South from the Pelli Clarke Pelli website:

The South Tower will be a 950-​foot (290-​meter) high mixed-​use tower with 1.1 million-​square feet (92,903 square meters) of office space, 160,000-square feet (14,864-square meters) of residential space and a 250,000-square foot (23,225 square meter) hotel. As the high-​rise anchor of the complex, its stepped form is classic and iconic against the urban skyline. Oriented north-​south, the rectangular massing and curtain wall articulation shares similarities with the East Tower, as does the treatment of the lower amenity levels. Facing the convergence of the Chicago River, the South Tower’s base steps down to engage the river front and provides public gathering space at the Riverwalk. This important urban setting is signified with a large water feature.

The website lists a date of 2020 as the completion for this project. Unless they get started soon on WPS, that seems unrealistic. At that height, though, it would be the 8th tallest roof height in Chicago (assuming One Chicago Square is built).

trvlr70 Jan 24, 2018 6:53 PM

The western setback outdoor space is going to spectacular for watching sunsets.

Skyguy_7 Jan 24, 2018 7:03 PM

Spire PLEEEEASE, Pelli. Begging you.

BVictor1 Jan 24, 2018 7:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8059156)
Spire PLEEEEASE, Pelli. Begging you.

Not for this one. It would be too tacked on.

cannedairspray Jan 24, 2018 7:16 PM

Why would they even allow that one rendering to be released?


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