I'll hold you to that! Haha.

Thanks for the positive feedback guys!
Without giving too much away, the building was very glassy with a lot of nice metal detailing I think people here will appreciate. The corners are curved and the top was lit up nicely in a very iconic way. I hope they stick to that design. We might get something completely different. We'll just have to wait and see. :cheers:

I agree with you on Trump tower but I can't agree with you on Hancock. Hancock center is delightful from the street. Even on the north and south sides the sidewalks are so massive that drop off cutouts don't matter and they have 2 rows of trees with benches around them for people to sit and take a break. Each side that faces the street has at least one small shop along with entrances for the buildings other uses. Hell even it's sculptural parking ramp is a delight.

When I was in Chicago, I did enjoy walking past the skyscrapers. Granted, this is from a tourist's perspective, so a lot of it was the amazement of really being at places I had seen in pictures a thousand times. That applies to Willis and Hancock especially. But my hotel was right by Aon, and I found the plaza in front of it to be very nice. I do think Hancock probably was the best major skyscraper for street interaction, even if it is a mecca for skyscraper nerds like myself.

Perhaps more enojyable for you or I, but in terms of number of people who actually show up there to walk it, there is no contest. Michigan Ave is one of the most popular thouroughfares in any city anywhere on Earth. That's not because people are being forced to Red Square to watch the Soviet Army on parade, it's because people like going there for some reason.

Chicago has plenty of other streets that are just as pleasant as the "Olde Country" if that's you cup of tea. Milwaukee Ave, Clark Street, Lincoln Ave, 18th Street, and those are only the gentrified/ing ones.

The Hancock is literally the perfect building, I have yet to find any significant flaw in it's design from a function or aesthetic point of view. Also, say whatever you want about Chicago's collection of midcentury towers, but all the premium ones downtown have aged wonderfully. There's no doubt in my mind that these buildings are in much better condition and much more fully occupied than the first Chicago school was at 50-70 years of age. I mean Home Insurance and Masonic Temple were already torn down before they hit 50 years of age and that wasn't even in the post war era.

I know Paris Syndrome is a thing, but I have to say I think Mag Mile > Champs-Élysées. Not architecturally or even in terms of the streetscape, but in terms of vitality, excitement, activity and overall enjoyability.

And I’ll add to the chorus in defense of the Hancock. I had to return a charger at Best Buy there this weekend, and the plaza at the Hancock was a relief from the bustle of the street further South.

The exterior of Hancock I believe is one of the most recognizable out there. The only negative I could think of is from the inside looking out. I couldnt imagine paying huge money for a high floor apartment and have a big ass cross beam blocking half my view. But I suppose thats part of the charm of saying you live in the hancock.

Eh, the cross beams are a feature, not a flaw. A buddy of mine lives right above the 75th floor corner where the crosses meet. He has two of them and they are awesome. The one that goes through his living area blocks maybe 10% or less of the window line. He has cushions on it and the ledge along the windows making it essentially a sofa to lay on. Totally awesome.

^ That's great; a sofa-beam. Function follows form.

From what I've seen in the past, buyers at JHC pay a premium for units with cross-bracing.

That's funny...I posed the same question in the Tower Verre thread. Not sure how I would feel putting down 10's of millions of dollars to have a structural element partially blocking the view. I'd probably be just fine since I have 10's of millions, but none the less.

Also, 510 W. Erie (Erie on the Park) has the same issues though on a much smaller scale. To each their own.

State Street is pretty fun to walk

Does anyone know when official plans are being released?

I think its been stated in this thread by some people that we could potentially see actual renderings by late spring/early summer, but these are mostly just assumptions based on how far along in the designing & political/permiting process this development is estimated to be in. We will probably get a glimpse at some elevations before that though, hopefully.

Will this require pre-construction sales to proceed or are condos in Chicago just all built on spec like they are in NY?

While there is a condo component to this project, from my understanding it will mostly be rental units. Pre-sale requirements, if any, won't be too much of an issue.

Thanks. Bring it on!

It's condo and hotel. 158 units/220 rooms respectively according to the tribune article.

Low unit count for a tower this height sounds like they will be pretty pricey. No clear rumblings of a hotel backing the financing like we had with Vista.

Pre-sale requirements could very much be an issue.

How much $/SF are the Vista units selling for?

Thanks for the correction!

158 units is crazy low for a tower of this height.

Some baseless conjecture: Assuming its ultra luxury (thus, high ceilings), at 12 ft/floor and subtracting 150 feet for lobby/crown/mechanical, it will roughly be 100 floors in height. That works out to under 4 units per floor if you include the hotel count with the condo units. The hotel portion will undoubtedly be denser, which would lower the condo portion to something like 2 units per floor.

This is of course imprecise since we don't know a lot of information, including things such as penthouse unit ceiling heights, the potential for multi-floor units, etc.

Four units per floor isn't unreasonable for a tower like this with a small footprint. The core takes the center and the four units each get a corner. Larger units get half a floor each.

Wasn't the 158 condo units number from the conversion of the Tribune Tower itself? Not the number of units in the supertall new construction?

^ The Trib tower itself would include 165 residential units (condos). The supertall addition would include retail, 158 condo units and 220 hotel rooms. It's all on the first page of this thread. Also, in the article they also said these numbers could change.

How much does the highest end New construction condos sell for? I'm talking about the Wanda Vista and the Stern tower for example?

I usually say around $800 per square foot when folks on my tours ask.

This report claims Vista Tower units range in price per square foot from $716 to $1,590.

i cleared out all of the off-topic chicago vs. NYC crap from this thread.

please stay on topic.

That's not so bad

Just thinking...

This is what was put together as a vision when Thompson Center redevelopment conversation was murmuring last year.


https://chicago.curbed.com/2017/1/19...-redevelopment
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/KgpU...70119841.0.png
Smith+Gill (1,700')

Could we see a 300' shorter version here?

I doubt it, that design bears absolutely no relation to the Tribune Tower. Why would he put a smaller version of that design on a totally different site?

Despite his overall turn toward the futuristic, Adrian Smith still knows how to respect his neighbors. Trump Tower borrowed the curtain wall from IBM, the wedding-cake massing from Wrigley, and the setback heights from both buildings. Bonus, he borrowed the parking ramp from JHC.

Adrian Smith: The Appropriate Appropriator

God I hope not. Jans proposal was so much better.

A little birdie told me...

...tweet, tweet...

MONDAY, APRIL 16th

SHERATON HOTEL

TIME ?? (I'm guessing 6ish)

It's not 100% confirmed, but I feel comfortable.

I do believe past articles stated they wanted to be before the plan commission sometime this summer.

OH BOY... :cheers:

The PD application will probably pop up on City Clerk sometime this week

Is it too early to throw out a Giggidy?

Nope, it's time :cheers:

We should have more info by the end of the week.

Hypeeee

Community presentation

April 16 - 6 PM - 8 PM
Sheraton Grand Chicago - Ballroom 9 and 10

Thanks for the confirmation.

Two ballrooms? They must be expecting a massive turnout, which I would only expect from a massive project. Dont forget those cameras anyone attending. Lets hope for something epic. NBC north and south lots your next.

https://i.imgur.com/m7lzLQ2.gif
source: https://imgur.com/gallery/m7lzLQ2

So excited for the renderings.

The next two weeks are going to take forever.... waiting game begins now

Ugh, it'll never be April 16th...

:)

Can't wait. I hope we will get a look at the PD application before the 16th.

renderings? where are they? are they out yet?

I don't think so... they would be all over this thread if they were :P

If Reilly fucks this up we must fund a PAC to remove him from office.

I will choke Reilly with my own bare hands if he blocks us from getting knocking Trump Tower down a peg

Just quoting this for archival purposes... :D