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mville1 Aug 19, 2020 1:29 PM

LANCASTER (PA) | Queen Street Apartments @ 202 N. Queen St.| 198 FT | 16 FLOORS
 
Main Line developer eyes downtown Lancaster for 16-story, $45M apartment building

By: Tim Meekel
LNP

Quote:

Seeing a demand for downtown living, a Delaware County developer wants to construct a 16-story apartment building on a parking lot at North Queen and West Chestnut streets.

Berger Rental Communities intends to develop 168 market-rate apartments in a 198-foot-high structure, which would be the third tallest in center-city, trailing only the Lancaster Marriott at Penn Square and the Griest Building, both roughly 210 feet.
https://lancasteronline.com/business...19e833188.html

I am not too thrilled with a vehicle entrance on W. Chestnut Street and a pedestrian bridge over North Queen Street. The pedestrian bridge seems unnecessary. Lancaster is not Minneapolis during the winter and all this bridge will do is draw pedestrian traffic up off the street. I would also like to see more than 900 square feet of retail space on the ground floor. Hopefully, the design will be tweaked a little more.

Overall this is a great project. Hopefully, the project team can get a zoning variance and other city approvals while securing financing.

deja vu Aug 21, 2020 12:58 PM

Interesting. I like the conceptual design at least.

Emporis lists the Griest Tower at 192' which would make this proposal the second tallest. That might be roof height only, so 210' might include any rooftop equipment / antennae? Either way, this would be a skyline impact for sure.

I'm not crazy about the pedestrian bridge over N Queen St. either, although I guess I understand its purpose to connect to the existing parking.

I'm wondering, is that proposed vehicle entrance on E Chestnut meant for loading / unloading / drop-offs only, or is there also going to be some below-grade parking? It is very close to the intersection of N Queen & E Chestnut...

Posting the renderings from the above article here, for others to see. Following!

South Elevation -
https://uwsjjg.sn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

East Elevation -
https://uasrjg.sn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

Pedestrian bridge across Queen - rendering -
https://uassjg.sn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
Source: Architectural Concepts PC

JMKeynes Aug 21, 2020 1:48 PM

That's fantastic. Lancaster is a beautiful little city.

mville1 Aug 22, 2020 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deja vu (Post 9017725)
Interesting. I like the conceptual design at least.

Emporis lists the Griest Tower at 192' which would make this proposal the second tallest. That might be roof height only, so 210' might include any rooftop equipment / antennae? Either way, this would be a skyline impact for sure.

I'm not crazy about the pedestrian bridge over N Queen St. either, although I guess I understand its purpose to connect to the existing parking.

I'm wondering, is that proposed vehicle entrance on E Chestnut meant for loading / unloading / drop-offs only, or is there also going to be some below-grade parking? It is very close to the intersection of N Queen & E Chestnut...

The Griest Building has a telecommunications tower on top of the mechanical penthouse, which you can see in my thumbnail picture. I am unsure whether the 210 foot height listed in the article refers to the Griest Building's roof height or the height to the top of the telecommunications tower. In any event, this proposal will definitely make a significant impact on the skyline. And because North Queen Street gently slopes upward toward Chestnut Street, this building will probably appear to be taller or roughly the same height as both the Griest Building and the Marriott Hotel. Unfortunately, that means the Griest Building will be blocked out when viewing the city from the north.


After examining the renderings of the building's W. Chestnut Street side again, I am becoming more disappointed with this building's street interaction. It is mainly a blank wall and a vehicle egress/ingress for, if I read the plans correctly, approximately 10 below grade (or at grade :shrug:) parking spaces. I mean the stretch of Chestnut Street from Prince to Duke is arguably downtown's worst as far as pedestrian experience goes. The County Government Center, the Holiday Inn Express, two parking garages, the Police Headquarters, etc. are all large scale buildings with little street level engagement. This building does little to help improve the situation, but at least there will be retail on North Queen Street :rolleyes:. So overall it is a slight improvement in terms of pedestrian experience over the Magnolia Place travesty on the corner of N. Duke and E. Chestnut Streets.

What I do not understand is this property has a right of way back to N. Market Street so why not locate the vehicle entrance/exit on the building's northwest corner leading to N. Market. It is not like 10 more cars are going to overwhelm Market Street. Instead, it looks like the developer is planning on constructing a pedestrian cut-through from North Queen Street to North Market using that right of way.

After investigating the developer's background, Berger Rental Communities, this is their first foray into urban development and there are certainly elements of the building's design where their inexperience shows. Hopefully, the design changes a little (for the better) and Berger can get financing for this project. Although their inexperience in urban development leads me to believe, they may not have the expertise to get a project of this scale off the ground especially in this environment.

summersm343 Aug 23, 2020 5:43 PM

Love it! Lancaster is a great little city. :cheers:

SouthCentralPA Sep 15, 2021 12:38 AM

12-story version of proposed downtown Lancaster high-rise gets Historical Commission'
 
https://lancasteronline.com/business...6c0e70241.html

Sounds like this one has been down-graded to 12 stories but at least it got approved by the Historical Commission. Sounds like it still needs some more City approvals but it's at least heading in the right direction! :cheers:

Should/can the title be updated?

New rendering:
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...ize=853%2C1280

SouthCentralPA Mar 23, 2022 2:58 AM

https://lancasteronline.com/news/loc...bbcf448ee.html

Quote:

Queen and Chestnut streets high-rise
After the city’s Historical Commission unanimously approved a third version from Berger Rental Communities’ of its 202 N. Queen high-rise, the developer has since tweaked the plan again.

The 202 N. Queen plan now calls for a 12-story building with 142 luxury apartments and various amenities, said Berger’s director of marketing, Brian Miller. The $35 million building will also have a 2,800-square-foot retail space at the corner of North Queen and Chestnut streets, Miller said.

That’s more units than presented to the Historical Commission in August, when Berger Rental proposed a 12-story building with 126 units. An original proposal called for 16 stories, but the developer scaled down the proposal following the rising costs to build during the pandemic.

Berger hopes to begin construction in the fall and open by spring 2024.
This one was definitely downsized to 12 stories but sounds like it's a go now since they are hoping to begin construction in the Fall. :cheers::notacrook:

SouthCentralPA Apr 1, 2022 1:32 AM

Here are the new architectural renderings for three Lancaster city housing developmen
 
https://lancasteronline.com/news/loc...24a4ed93c.html

202 N. Queen St.
Quote:

The Historical Commission also recommended to city council revised plans for the 12-story building proposed at the site of a surface parking lot at the corner of North Queen and West Chestnut streets.

Wayne-based Berger Rental Communities had originally proposed a 16-story $45 million building in 2020, but revised it to 12 stories in August, according to a project description it submitted to the commission. The updates this week featured modest changes to the exterior of the building, choosing to eliminate apartment balconies and use a wider portion of the building in the lower floors to create a communal rooftop space for residents.

The new plans also include a pedestrian walkway to connect North Market Street behind the site to North Queen Street. It would double as a “rain garden” with trees and plants to improve stormwater drainage.

The current building plan calls for 142 one- and two-bedroom market-rate apartments and 2,800 square feet of retail space on the first floor.

A spokesperson for Berger said the firm hopes to break ground at 202 N. Queen St. by the end of the year, and complete construction by the end of 2023.
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...size=400%2C580

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...ize=1035%2C685

Good to hear! :cheers:


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