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Acajack Mar 24, 2021 8:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9227880)
i moved all of the off-topic kids walking to school discussion to its own thread: https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=246337

You're a mod? I never even noticed. (I guess that's a compliment.)

Steely Dan Mar 24, 2021 9:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 9227884)
You're a mod? I never even noticed.

i am.

but only for the past 18 years.

so i'm still a little green..... ;)

Pedestrian Mar 24, 2021 9:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 9227770)
It's also a legacy from when the economy on the west coast was largely made up of "branches" of older companies on the east coast that operated from 9 to 5. So the west coasters had to adapt their hours (to some degree) to be able to talk to their colleagues in New York, Boston, etc.

The West Coast has plenty of financial and other companies that were never "branches" of East Coast companies. Businesses like Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Union Pacific Railroad and Charles Schwab. But even though there once was a Pacific Stock Exchange, NY remains the seat of finance and where too much business is transacted and Washington, DC remains where the country is run from.

I still usually wake up at 6:30 AM to check the markets, then if nothing exciting is happening I go back to sleep. The good side is that markets close at 1 PM West Coast (and AZ) time and business people can pretty much relax and enjoy the rest of their day.

Pedestrian Mar 24, 2021 9:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 9227884)
You're a mod? I never even noticed. (I guess that's a compliment.)

You can tell because he's a purple people eater.

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homebucket Mar 24, 2021 11:55 PM

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COVID-19 cases have stopped declining in New York City. Experts are trying to find out why.
COVID-19 cases in New York City have plateaued at a high level.

By Arielle Mitropoulos and Sony Salzman
March 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

Nationwide, COVID cases have fallen dramatically since the winter peak and millions of vaccine doses started rolling out.

But some areas appear to be bucking this trend, including several states and metropolitan areas in the Northeast, which have been reporting high case rates and hospital utilization.

Specifically, the New York City metropolitan area had a rate of nearly 260.6 cases per 100,000 people for the week ending March 21, the second highest case rate in the nation, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Although cases are not as high as they were during the spring and winter surges, the city has “reached a plateau, which simply means that cases are no longer declining,” said Dr. David D. Ho, director of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center at Columbia University.

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New York City is also seeing a rise in cases of the B.1.1.7 variant, also known as the U.K. variant, and on Saturday, the state also confirmed its first case of the P.1 variant, first discovered in Brazil, in a Brooklyn resident with no travel history.

In total 65.1% of new cases in the most recent week were caused by variants, up from 52.4% in prior week.

Following New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy's announcement on Monday that he would be holding off on easing more pandemic restrictions as COVID-19 increases across the state, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said he too believes it is "time to reassess."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-...ry?id=76472072

Pedestrian Mar 25, 2021 12:03 AM

^^I really do blame public transit for a lot of this. The NY metro has the most intensive transit dependency in the US. People ride it because they have to. And as far as I'm concerned, it's got to be a risk equal to or greater than dining indoors or most other activities pegged high risk.

We now know that what really exposes you to COVID is the concentration of aerosolized virus-containing particles you breathe in over how long a period of time. So wiping down surfaces and the other things various transit agencies have done to try to cut transmission probably don't help much. In warmer weather you can open the windows of above-ground vehicles; not much you can do in a subway.

craigs Mar 25, 2021 1:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9227710)
That's a CA thing. West Coast is insanely early to rise, early to bed. It always messes me up every time I'm there. Maybe it's the more body conscious/less drinking environment?

I remember a bunch of friends going out to dinner at 10 PM once, and my buddy from CA looked at us like we had two heads. Gotta hit the gym at 4 AM, apparently. Our office, pre-pandemic, wasn't really full till 10 AM.

That's not a San Francisco thing. When I travel I often forget that restaurants elsewhere usually close much earlier than I'm accustomed to, and I often find myself with few decent options for dinner when I'm not mindful of that. And oh how San Franciscans drink. So much drinking.

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 9227770)
It's also a legacy from when the economy on the west coast was largely made up of "branches" of older companies on the east coast that operated from 9 to 5. So the west coasters had to adapt their hours (to some degree) to be able to talk to their colleagues in New York, Boston, etc.

I grew up here on the West Coast and that does not ring true. I don't believe the economy of California was ever dominated by industries requiring Californians to work East Coast hours--and if it ever was, it certainly hasn't been like that for several decades now. I've lived in the East Coast as well, and I never noticed any difference in the hours that people in general keep.

That said, there are exceptions to the rule--Las Vegas and Manhattan have later nightlife than just about every place, for example, but as a rule Americans generally don't regularly go clubbing until 4:00 a.m.

iheartthed Mar 25, 2021 1:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9228083)
^^I really do blame public transit for a lot of this. The NY metro has the most intensive transit dependency in the US. People ride it because they have to. And as far as I'm concerned, it's got to be a risk equal to or greater than dining indoors or most other activities pegged high risk.

We now know that what really exposes you to COVID is the concentration of aerosolized virus-containing particles you breathe in over how long a period of time. So wiping down surfaces and the other things various transit agencies have done to try to cut transmission probably don't help much. In warmer weather you can open the windows of above-ground vehicles; not much you can do in a subway.

It's the re-openings (bars, restaurants, gyms, schools, etc.). More things are open now in the NY region than have been open at any point since March 2020.

Pedestrian Mar 25, 2021 1:59 AM

What is going on right now in New Jersey is very disturbing:

They seem to be having a new wave unlike most of the rest of the country:

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/ser...637204/enhance

and it's focused mainly around the New York metro:

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/ser...637204/enhance
Above 2 images: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rus-cases.html

But it's in spite of doing a better than average job of vaccinating people:

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/ser...637203/enhance
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/

I would have thought that with roughly ⅓ of the adult population vaccinated and likely another 15% or more immune from infection, we'd be seeing the virus have difficulty finding susceptible victims by now.

Pedestrian Mar 25, 2021 2:00 AM

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Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9228156)
It's the re-openings (bars, restaurants, gyms, schools, etc.). More things are open now in the NY region than have been open at any point since March 2020.

But that's true in many, many places. I'm looking for what's different about NYC and metro.

homebucket Mar 25, 2021 2:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9228165)
What is going on right now in New Jersey is very disturbing:

They seem to be having a new wave unlike most of the rest of the country:

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/ser...637204/enhance

Yikes. That's not even a plateau. That's a legit uptrend, not as sharp of an increase as previous surges, but still quite noticeable. NY/NJ is probably going to have to lockdown again, or at least go back to the next restrictive tier.

sopas ej Mar 25, 2021 3:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9227710)
That's a CA thing. West Coast is insanely early to rise, early to bed. It always messes me up every time I'm there. Maybe it's the more body conscious/less drinking environment?

I remember a bunch of friends going out to dinner at 10 PM once, and my buddy from CA looked at us like we had two heads. Gotta hit the gym at 4 AM, apparently. Our office, pre-pandemic, wasn't really full till 10 AM.

I would imagine that in any big city, people would be going to the gym at all hours? And that people would be working at all hours, staggered schedules, etc.? Aren't people at the gym in NYC at 4am?

Going out to dinner at 10pm is not unheard of here, not in Los Angeles, anyway. Maybe your California buddy is from Orange County? Hehe I remember a friend of mine who was a student at UC Irvine (back in the 1990s), she would complain about the lack of ANYTHING that was open past 10pm in Irvine, apart from Denny's and In-N-Out. :haha:

And in my clubbing days, a lot of nightclubs (gay clubs, anyway) had afterhours that would be open until about 4am. And some underground clubs got around the 1:30am/last call for drinks/no selling alcohol past 2am law by charging more for cover at the door past 2am, and not charging for liquor... kind of like an open bar but you just pay a higher cover charge.

Kngkyle Mar 25, 2021 3:32 AM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9228186)
NY/NJ is probably going to have to lockdown again, or at least go back to the next restrictive tier.

Any politician that even thinks of doing this in NJ will lose re-election. They can get away with pausing the reopening for a few weeks but to "go back" is never going to happen and rightfully so. The vulnerable are all vaccinated.

homebucket Mar 25, 2021 3:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kngkyle (Post 9228226)
Any politician that even thinks of doing this in NJ will lose re-election. They can get away with pausing the reopening for a few weeks but to "go back" is never going to happen and rightfully so. The vulnerable are all vaccinated.

You might be right. If anything, as long as there's no increase in hospitalizations resulting in overwhelmed ICUs and excess deaths, this could be a good thing for NJ. Herd immunity can be achieved faster through both vaccinations and increasing cases.

photoLith Mar 25, 2021 4:33 AM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9228186)
Yikes. That's not even a plateau. That's a legit uptrend, not as sharp of an increase as previous surges, but still quite noticeable. NY/NJ is probably going to have to lockdown again, or at least go back to the next restrictive tier.

Uh no, they should only do that if deaths go through the roofs. The virus spreading doesn't matter if there is not a major uptick in new deaths; which there won't be now that all the old geazers are getting vaccinated.

Remember, the only reason the idiotic lockdowns started was to flatten the curve so that hospitals didn't get overrun; which didnt happen in most of the country outside of a few major cities. If younger people are getting it, which is most likely what is happening than whatever, doesn't matter as most people dont even get sick from it if they get it.

Pedestrian Mar 25, 2021 4:44 AM

Another reason to get your jab:

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Free doughnuts
National chain Krispy Kreme is offering free doughnuts to those who have received at least one dose of the vaccine.

Anyone who has been vaccinated can stop in any of Krispy Kreme's participating stores around the country and show their COVID-19 vaccination record card to get a free treat.

Krispy Kreme will also be giving out a free doughnut and medium brewed coffee every Monday from March 29 to May 24.
https://www.gvnews.com/news/vaccine-...6dfd90097.html

Pedestrian Mar 25, 2021 4:53 AM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9228231)
You might be right. If anything, as long as there's no increase in hospitalizations resulting in overwhelmed ICUs and excess deaths, this could be a good thing for NJ. Herd immunity can be achieved faster through both vaccinations and increasing cases.

As the chart shows, there is a 12% increase in hospitalizations. What there is not (yet) is an increase in deaths, probably for 2 reasons: (1) The most vulnerable HAVE been vaccinated so those catching it now are younger and healthier and (2) deaths lag other stats by 3 weeks or so (people die after holding on in the hospital for that long).

But just the fact that these supposedly younger, healthier folks ARE needing hospitalization is worrisome.

iheartthed Mar 25, 2021 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9228166)
But that's true in many, many places. I'm looking for what's different about NYC and metro.

I think there are some differences about New York other than public transit. New York was much more cautious about re-opening than almost any other state. For instance, indoor dining has been completely banned in NYC for roughly 9 of the last 12 months. A month ago it reopened to 25% capacity, after a two month shutdown.

The first reopening of indoor dining coincided with the beginning of the winter surge. The second reopening of indoor dining has coincided with the plateauing at an elevated level of infections. But the transit system was never shutdown throughout the entirety of the pandemic, and for most of the summer and fall of 2020, New York had some of the lowest rates of infection in the country.

Another change has been schools. Schools in NYC have been reopening over the past few weeks, after having been closed for most of the winter. I just heard of an outbreak this week in a school in Brooklyn that has forced some teachers, students, and their families into a self-quarantine.

Pedestrian Mar 25, 2021 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9228580)
I think there are some differences about New York other than public transit. New York was much more cautious about re-opening than almost any other state. For instance, indoor dining has been completely banned in NYC for roughly 9 of the last 12 months. A month ago it reopened to 25% capacity, after a two month shutdown.

The first reopening of indoor dining coincided with the beginning of the winter surge. The second reopening of indoor dining has coincided with the plateauing at an elevated level of infections. But the transit system was never shutdown throughout the entirety of the pandemic, and for most of the summer and fall of 2020, New York had some of the lowest rates of infection in the country.

Another change has been schools. Schools in NYC have been reopening over the past few weeks, after having been closed for most of the winter. I just heard of an outbreak this week in a school in Brooklyn that has forced some teachers, students, and their families into a self-quarantine.

I compare NY to my town, San Francisco, which has been just as locked down and is reopening at a similar pace and which has a very low rate of COVID infections. One difference is our transit system is hardly running and I don't know anybody using it who has any options (and a lot more people do have options than in NY).

I must say I consider your post an example of New Yorkers being rather unaware of what's going on west of the Hudson. SF schools still aren't open (but there are plans to open them when the unions can be convinced to come back to work).

Pedestrian Mar 25, 2021 6:54 PM

Why fun is no longer allowed:

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Krispy Kreme’s ‘sweet’ vaccine promotion leads to bitter Twitter war
By Angela Haupt
March 25, 2021 at 8:57 a.m. MST

This week, Krispy Kreme announced a tasty incentive to get a coronavirus vaccination, promising one free glazed doughnut per day to any customer who could show proof they had done so.

The doughnut company’s promotion, which was meant to be a show of “sweet support,” instead sparked a Twitter war for the covid-19 age because it touches on so many current issues: the slow vaccine rollout, health concerns about pounds packed on during the pandemic, fat-shaming and sensitivity over the fact that overweight individuals are being prioritized for vaccination in some states.

Krispy Kreme had thought of the freebie campaign as a kindly nudge to those slow to get vaccinated and a way to help the country as it trudges toward herd immunity. But within days of the announcement, some doctors had taken to social media to blast the Winston Salem, N.C.,-based company, which was founded in 1937 and has approximately 12,000 locations in stand-alone shops and within grocery and convenience stores across the country.
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“Hey @krispykreme, I love that you want to thank people for getting the #covid19 #vaccine,” tweeted Leana Wen, an emergency physician who previously served as Baltimore’s health commissioner. “However, donuts are a treat that's not good for health if eaten every day.” She added that having a daily Original Glazed, without otherwise adjusting diet or exercise habits, would lead to about 15 pounds of weight gain by the end of the year. (The same day Krispy Kreme made its announcement, a small study was published suggesting those quarantining at home had gained nearly two pounds per month. In an Axios-Ipsos poll conducted in February, 32 percent of Americans said they had recently gained weight.)

Krispy Kreme, which operates a fundraising program for nonprofits and said it also has conducted covid-related give-aways for health-care workers, teachers and others, is standing by its offer. “Like many sweet treats, Krispy Kreme doughnuts are an occasional indulgence best enjoyed in moderation,” the company said in a statement to The Washington Post. “And we know that’s how most of our guests enjoy our doughnuts. We’re certainly not asking people to get a free Original Glazed doughnut every day, we’re just making it available through the end of the year — especially given that not every group is eligible to get vaccinated yet — to show support to those doing their part to make the country safe by getting vaccinated as soon as the vaccine is available to them.”
A study claimed to end the ‘fat but fit’ debate. But it had its own problems.
The doctors’ critiques of Krispy Kreme’s doughnut deal sparked an outraged response from dietitians and others who decried the country’s attitude toward overweight people and how doctors talk to patients with obesity.
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“I’m horrified,” said Elyse Resch, a nutrition therapist based in Beverly Hills, Calif., and the co-author of “Intuitive Eating.” “It’s an oppression. Weight stigma, fat-shaming, fatphobia — it’s oppressive, like every other oppression in the world. And it’s so wrong. We all deserve to have satisfaction in our eating, and having a doughnut is a delicious thing.”

Resch described the physicians’ pushback against free doughnuts as “ridiculous and useless.” She believes that body shaming and weight discrimination have ballooned during the pandemic, spurred in part by research indicating that a higher weight is linked with an increased risk of severe covid-19 illness. (Those findings have been widely debated, and another recent study found that a high body mass index was not associated with different outcomes for covid-19 patients on ventilators.) As millions of Americans become eligible to be vaccinated because they’re classified as obese — prompting public shaming over the perceived advantage — it’s a particularly fraught topic.

“I think it’s really sad that health professionals are putting out the message that eating foods just because you enjoy them is a bad thing,” said Lindo Bacon, a professor and researcher at the University of California at Davis and author of the book “Health at Every Size.” “We’re seeing the message much more intensely that Americans are eating badly and that this is harmful to us, and we’re seeing very strong messages that we’re supposed to be eating differently. Doughnuts can be part of a healthy diet, and they can be part of keeping people happy.”

Vaccination issues aside, weight stigma isn’t new. And, both Resch and Bacon said, fat-shaming often comes directly from health-care professionals. As one Twitter user put it in the wake of the Krispy Kreme controversy, “I’m glad all of Twitter has now had a taste of how doctors speak to fat people” . . . .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...05a_story.html

Since there are a number of participants on this site who are good at fat shaming, I expect you'll now have your say. But donuts are the alternative to pizza . . . only Krispy Kreme thought of giving away high calorie bribes first.


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