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chris08876 Oct 10, 2020 2:00 AM

$200k!?

How big is your towers gym?

They could probally save a lot and just hire one guy to manage it all. I mean unless your condo tower has a gym the size of LA fitness that is part of your HOA benefits.

Pedestrian Oct 10, 2020 2:00 AM

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Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9069113)
The only reason Newsom wasn't dealing with automatic rifles in the California capital is because Ronald Reagan had them outlawed.

In as much as "automatic rifles" are outlawed by federal law, I assume you made the same mistake just about every gun critic makes when referring to SEMI-automatic rifles (the difference being whether you have to pull the trigger for each shot or the thing fires automatically like a machine gun).

chris08876 Oct 10, 2020 2:04 AM

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Pedestrian Oct 10, 2020 2:04 AM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 9069252)
$200k!?

How big is your towers gym?

They could probally save a lot and just hire one guy to manage it all. I mean unless your condo tower has a gym the size of LA fitness that is part of your HOA benefits.

That would be for 3 shifts, I assume, and the $200K would be for salary and benefits. SF law mandates health insurance, paid sick leave and leave to care for a sick friend or if you or your spouse has a baby (in which case a stand-in would have to be hired; and no, you can't refuse to hire someone because they are going to have a baby next month). I think we also offer a retirement plan. Most gym users like to use it after business hours. We have a lot of people here in the tech industry who work very odd hours so working out at 3 AM is not unheard of.

This is a socialist republic. Workers don't come cheap which is why we contract out for most services like security, janitorial, concierge and landscaping.

The room is not large but it has a lot of fancy equipment. We also have handball/squash courts, a sauna and dressing room but I don't know if the mandatory staff member could cover both the workout room and the rest.

mhays Oct 10, 2020 2:13 AM

My building's gym closed too. But luckily we have stairs...4.5 walks up 17 stories turns out to be a pretty good workout. I take the elevator down each time to save my knees.

Pedestrian Oct 10, 2020 2:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mhays (Post 9069261)
My building's gym closed too. But luckily we have stairs...4.5 walks up 17 stories turns out to be a pretty good workout. I take the elevator down each time to save my knees.

Our stairs are available only for emergency use and are alarmed. Since during COVID we have a policy of one resident (or family unit) in the elevator at a time, at busy times like last Saturday you sometimes have to wait while one elevator after another opens only to reveal another occupant. Last Saturday I got so frustrated I walked down the stairs to the street, doubtless causing the alarm to go off and driving the security guard on duty nuts. I'm not sure if there's a camera so he could see who the guilty party was (but I was masked! Haha!). We do have cameras all over the place.

But you can't walk up. The exterior door only opens from the inside. You are forced to take one elevator up to the residential lobby where the security guard sits, then take another the rest of the way to your floor.

JManc Oct 10, 2020 2:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9069253)
In as much as "automatic rifles" are outlawed by federal law, I assume you made the same mistake just about every gun critic makes when referring to SEMI-automatic rifles (the difference being whether you have to pull the trigger for each shot or the thing fires automatically like a machine gun).

Reagan banned machine guns produced after 1986 so one could could still own something made before then if they could afford it but are subject to all kinds of ATF background checks while the assault weapons' ban that AR-15's fell under expired in 2004 (under W). California and New York just haven't been fortunate to have their capitol buildings stormed by MEAL Team 6 with Bushmasters yet. The media has muddled the meaning of 'assault weapons' so I give most people a pass for not knowing the difference.

10023 Oct 10, 2020 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 9068995)
I am torn between this and the urge to do the right thing on this one.

We tease 10023 a lot for being self-absorbed (and I often do it too!) but on this he - and you and others - do make valid points.

The “right thing” does not necessarily mean blindly accepting and following a made-up-on-the-spot set of rules created without democratic process by political leaders desperate to seem as if they are “doing something”.

Democrats blame Trump for the number of Covid cases which is ridiculous. They look disingenuous and childish, but that’s politics. The virus will do its thing, most people will get it, and some people will die. We knew this in February.

Let’s not destroy the economy and the financial futures of all of us who are not at risk from the virus (not to mention ruin years of our lives and make us deeply depressed) in a vain attempt at preventing nature from taking its course. We are pushing water uphill.

And by the way, if this ruins 2 years of life for everyone, that’s probably more than the average remaining life expectancy of people who would die from it. Not to mention that a year of life in one’s 20s, 30s or 40s is worth more than one in their 80s.

10023 Oct 10, 2020 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9069004)
I so enjoy reading the whining and crying over the terrible privation of COVID and imagining how this generation would have coped with, say, WW II or the Depression.

One difference is we kind of know when this will end: We WILL have vaccines and effective drugs by the end of the year although probably not enough to give them to everybody. That time may come 3 to 6 months later. A year from now, COVID limitations imposed by government will probably be over but I suspect it will take another year or two before a lot of people really feel comfortable with indoor dining or attending an indoor entertainment event, whether high culture, popular culture or sports. It will be allowed though and those of you who really feel deprived will probably be able to indulge all you want.

We may indeed have some residua of the type JManc implies. Some people have always wanted "their space" preserved and now more are likely too. Some people have never liked crowds and now more are likely to avoid them for a long time to come. There may be some benefits to them personally in that other diseases like colds and flu are transmitted much as COVID is and taking COVID style measures should reduce your chances of catching those as well.

This isn’t fucking World War 2. It’s a contagious disease marginally more dangerous than the flu.

They might create another Depression though. At the very least we are in for a decade of slow growth during my prime earning years as the economy and fiscal environment recovers from this.

The young are being fucked over completely to save the old. You should be thanking us until the day you die.

10023 Oct 10, 2020 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9069025)
The valid point is that government has too often been illogical and irrational on this one, sometimes cheered on by the "scientists" who have a narrow vision on the epidemiology of the virus and ignore the consequences, intended and unintended of efforts to control it.

For example, I question the point or value ocf curfews. Why is someone more at risk or dangerous at 11 PM than at 9:30. It depends what they are doing at that hour and most of the things they might do that are risky are themselves banned. If someone craves a midnight stroll, why not?

Michigan seems to have been an example of whacky restriction run riot. But it isn't alone.

I've long said if I were told I literally had to stay at home and couldn't go out, I would ignore such a Chinese-style policy. Between that and simple mask-wearing and reasonable "distancing" there is a lot to debate (argue over if you prefer). And I strongly oppose 10023's ideas about imposing some of the mandatory policies he objects to having applied to him to those more vulnerable, especially in the absence of any governmental help to avoid the risk of going out for necessary purposes (no one's going to do my shopping for me except me unless I pay maybe 50% more to have everything delivered which I can afford but many others can't).

It would be really easy and relatively cheap for government to pay for every old person to have everything they need delivered. That’s a red herring.

iheartthed Oct 10, 2020 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9069253)
In as much as "automatic rifles" are outlawed by federal law, I assume you made the same mistake just about every gun critic makes when referring to SEMI-automatic rifles (the difference being whether you have to pull the trigger for each shot or the thing fires automatically like a machine gun).

I know the difference. Ronald Reagan outlawed open carry in California. Automatic rifles were not illegal when he did so.

10023 Oct 10, 2020 5:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 9069252)
$200k!?

How big is your towers gym?

They could probally save a lot and just hire one guy to manage it all. I mean unless your condo tower has a gym the size of LA fitness that is part of your HOA benefits.

Requiring staff is stupid. Just make it accessible with a keycard and a booking system that only allows X number of people to enter at a time. Easy and would cost them like a grand.

That’s what one of the hotels I stayed in this summer in Italy did, btw.

The North One Oct 10, 2020 6:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9069487)

The young are being fucked over completely to save the old. You should be thanking us until the day you die.

I didn't realize you were young, you usually talk like a baby boomer.

mhays Oct 10, 2020 6:54 PM

Solutions are so simple when you don't understand the problem or the complexity of your own idea!

craigs Oct 10, 2020 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9069271)
California and New York just haven't been fortunate to have their capitol buildings stormed by MEAL Team 6 with Bushmasters yet.

Not for lack of trying. Some 32 out of about 1,500 Covidiots were arrested back in May for trying to force their way through police lines and into the California Capitol. That was the infamous event where maskless trumpanzees were shouting directly into cops' faces, calling them 'traitors' for not allowing the building to be stormed and occupied.

I suspect part of the difference between here and, say, Michigan, is that Newsom deployed the state police in heavy riot gear and allowed them to forcibly hold the line because there's relatively little support among Californians for Michigan-style right-wing militia occupations, threats, criminal plots, etc.

iheartthed Oct 10, 2020 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by craigs (Post 9069753)
I suspect part of the difference between here and, say, Michigan, is that Newsom deployed the state police in heavy riot gear and allowed them to forcibly hold the line because there's relatively little support among Californians for Michigan-style right-wing militia occupations, threats, criminal plots, etc.

Yes, they could not legally deny them entry because the law explicitly allows firearms to be carried in the Michigan capitol building. That is the only reason these nutjobs were able to get the photo ops they did, and by extension, allowed an opportunity for the media to analyze these idiots to death as if they actually have a rational point.

10023 Oct 10, 2020 9:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mhays (Post 9069682)
Solutions are so simple when you don't understand the problem or the complexity of your own idea!

What complexity? Put a lock on the door accessed by a key card. The key card can only be activated for a time slot with a booking app. My gym in London and a hotel I stayed in (and surely countless others) are currently using this system.

mhays Oct 10, 2020 10:23 PM

For starters:

1. You can't count on users to clean things properly or leave well before the next user arrives, but gym managers in many locations are required to ensure compliance. I'd assume liability is involved. If so, there's no way around having staff continually cleaning and making sure the room is empty for a period before each next user.

2. The app, management interface, and card reader could easily cost more than $1,000, particularly with appointment-based permissions rather than blanket usability (staff time), plus the ongoing management that sort of thing inevitably requires. That's even assuming existing FOBs and residents accustomed to using them.

You could make the rules advisory, but then the risk-takers would take advantage, and that's why places with advisory rules often seeing cases spike back up...hence the firm rules.

Pedestrian Oct 10, 2020 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9069623)
Requiring staff is stupid. Just make it accessible with a keycard and a booking system that only allows X number of people to enter at a time. Easy and would cost them like a grand.

That’s what one of the hotels I stayed in this summer in Italy did, btw.

That's almost precisely what our HOA did--along with closed circuit cameras so the security staff could monitor it and removing some of the equipment to keep what remained "distanced" and the SF Health Department said it wasn't good enough. We had to have a live human there keeping watch . . . in the room.

the urban politician Oct 11, 2020 2:46 PM

Traffic is starting to pick up on my daily commute. Definitely people are going places more


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