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Brass Rail: Cellar: 521 S. Main Crown Jewel: 754 S. Olive Harold's 555 Club: 555 S. Main Jolie's: Maxwell's: 214 W 3rd Street (from HossC's post) Numbers: 326: 326 S. Spring Waldorf: Burbank: 548 S. Main The Biltmore was I am sure referring to the bar in the Biltmore Hotel. There was a Brass Rail at 6321 Hollywood Boulevard. Noircitydame had a good post on it at #19591. There is no mention of it or Jolie's or Numbers in the Out of Bounds list. The Waldorf Cellar/The Waldorf Annex was at 521 S. Main, which is the same address as "The Cellar" listed above. In the 80s there was a hustler bar called The Numbers at 8029 West Sunset in West Hollywood. At that address there was an "Apple Inn" in the 1973 street directory, and in 1950 it was under the auctioneer's hammer as "The Black Watch." It was a bookie spot in the 30s. Pre-1961 city directories list the Geary Hotel at 334 S. Hill. |
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http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...psc35df431.jpg GSV Wow! That is a great find HossC. Do you think that is the same wall too? Looks like it might be a little shorter. |
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And I'm calling shenanigans on the LA Times. 60 mpg would be possible with a Laurel and Hardy-driven truck going down Mt. Lowe, not under normal conditions. The truck on the PPC runs on #1 distillate/diesel which has less energy (BTUs/gal) than #2 distillate/diesel which is about the same as gasoline. |
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I found this picture of South Hill Street which shows Brass Rail behind the red truck. It's dated 6/10/66. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ssRail1966.jpg Detail of picture in Huntington Digital Library BDiH mentioned La Cita. Looking at Historic Aerials, the building seems to occupy the same footprint as the one that housed Brass Rail. Is this the first floor of the old building? http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ALaCitaGSV.jpg GSV |
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Blenda Irene Ostler, born in Utah in 1902 of Danish immigrant parents. She married Nephi Clifford Ostler, (called Cliff) who was born in Utah in 1903. They were married in Alhambra, CA in 1923. The Article below shows that they were married in El Encanto They appear in Monterey Park in the 1930 Census, living in a house at 608 W. Harding Avenue, Monterey Park. At that time, he is noted to be a cement contactor, but in later listings he works for the city, in various capacities until he is mentioned as being retired from being the Superintendent of City Buildings They had two children Donald Ostler and Marie Ostler, (she is shown with her father in the background of one of the pictures) The Betty Bradbury, who appears in the photos is the future wife of Donald Ostler. Jimmie Marcus, who appears in Navy Uniform, became the husband of the Ostler's daughter Marie The Ostler family lived in El Encanto and were responsible for keeping the USO open during the war, according to an article about the installation of officers for the Monterey Park Chamber of Commerce. They apparently purchased the property in the 1940s and lived in the main El Encanto building. " Excerpt from the article appearing online in THE CITIZEN'S VOICE" Electronically Serving Monterey Park, Alhambra, San Gabriel, & Rosemead Posted by Nancy Arcuri on 8/19/14 • Categorized as Articles Damien Orozco gave a brief history of the early El Encanto. He spoke about the pictures of the building on the cover of the program. He discovered the name of the young lady looking down in one of the pictures was Marie Marcus who lived in El Encanto in the 1940s. He introduced the family members to the audience. "Susan Byard and her sister, Karen Call with their mother Marie Marcus and Karen’s husband, Gary Call. The family lived with Cliff and Irene Ostler in El Encanto in the 1940s. They purchased the property and kept the USO opened without government funding. Each side house had six beds for servicemen to use. This USO was a peaceful setting and no drinking was allowed. Susan Byard and Karen Call recalled their childhood memories of living in El Encanto with their parents, Marie and Jimmy Marcus and grandparents, Cliff and Irene Ostler. Their parents were married in El Encanto. The family lived in the main house as well as the two side houses. They remembered that their parents and grandparents all volunteered in the city. Their grandfather and father helped to design the Barnes Park Pool. Their grandmother, Irene was a famous cook in the city. It was a great time for their family in Monterey Park. They love the city. The family thanked the Chamber for inviting them to El Encanto. It is part of our city’s heritage." |
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Biltmore: 506 S. Grand Ave Brass Rail: 334 S.Hill Cellar: 521 S. Main Crown Jewel: 754 S. Olive Harold's 555 Club: 555 S. Main Jolie's: Maxwell's: 214 W 3rd Street (from HossC's post) Numbers: 326: 326 S. Spring Waldorf: 527 S. Main Burbank: 548 S. Main Hi, thanks all for some new information. In various places The Waldorf and Cellar are mentioned as separate establishments, but there's also places that call it The Waldorf's Cellar or The Cellar at the Waldorf. Info provided also has come up with an address for each 521 & 527 S. Main. No photos have appeared showing either as yet. Numbers must also have been another location downtown, as well as Sunset Blvd., whether they were related or not. When the bar at the Biltmore is recalled, was there only one bar and did it have a name? Currently it's listed as the Gallery Bar and the Cognac Room. Rick M in the quote above has Jolie's at Vermont near Beverly. This article I discovered this morning has it at a different location: Maxwell’s, the Waldorf, the Brass Rail, the Biltmore, the Numbers, the Crown Jewel and other bars were popular downtown for decades, as was Jolie’s on Western at First. Bunker Hill downtown was a gay neighborhood for decades, from at least the time when Stockton’s sailors started building a fortification there in 1848 until most of the crumbling old houses on the hill were raised in the mid-’60s. It also says this, which surprised me: Barney’s Beanery, once a gay bar, put up the “Fagots Stay Out” sign in the ’30s to ward off police pressure, but management and clientele later took the sign literally. http://tangentgroup.org/mediawiki/in..._LA_Early_Days |
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Speaking of questionable night spots, we have: http://i.imgur.com/rQw7Icl.jpg my files which today looks not that different: http://i.imgur.com/09p6qVv.jpg GSV "Lysol Hill" was a new one to me, although I now see that it's mentioned in Hurewitz's book as "Crown Hill" just west of downtown "in the Wilshire district." |
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I had a quick look through the USC library for pictures of Joly's, but the images I've found so far are either from the wrong time period or the wrong part of Western Avenue. The picture below fits into the latter category. It shows a traffic accident at 36th Place and Western Avenue in February 1952. The caption names the traffic officer as J. I. Massey, and says that the lady in the car is 25-year-old Alyce L. Hanson, who was one of the drivers involved. There are two pictures in the set, but they both have virtually the same view. I was hoping to see the other car. I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that the car is a 1950 Chevy convertible.
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...36thPlace1.jpg USC Digital Library When I first arrived at this intersection in the Googlemobile, I wasn't hopeful that any of these buildings would still be there. Three of the corners are occupied by an equipment rental yard, an auto repair shop and a parking lot, but the fourth has stayed relatively unchanged for the last 60 years (the most recent GSV image is from October 2012). http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...36thPlace2.jpg GSV The Western Public Market, a block away at 3601 S Western Avenue, was discussed in post #18895, post #18902 and post #18969 |
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LA's man in blue.....
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Are those 'hoists' on top of the Bullocks bldg? http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/VHfqt1.jpg ebay The marchers appear to be women (Salvation Army?). There's also a white Shriner's flag visible above the parade route. __ |
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