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John Hancock for sure, Trump is great too, would be better if he actually leased up the retail.
Just because some post war supertalls had bad design, doesn't mean they all did. I would argue that the vast vast majority of lowrise midcentury design is also terrible to walk by. How many blank lavarock walls facing the street have you seen along Higgins? I would also argue that Hancock addresses the parking podium issue better than any other building in the city. You literally wouldn't know it's there if you have been inside. In fact, the JHCs monumental size is what allows it to address that problem so we'll, super large floors in the base allow a podiun that's integrated into one monolithic form. Most smaller buildings can't do that and hence the podia we see all over the place. |
I wonder if Steely will tell us not to feed the troll this time? Or is it okay because Mr. Downtown is the one making goofy ass comments? I feel like Mr. Downtown makes the most NIMBY comments of any person on this forum ever. I mean really dude, you going to ramble about how much better places without supertalls are without really thinking through the fact that supertalls provide a need. Extreme density in extremely small areas. Niche neighborhoods and supertalls can exist in the same cities without fucking each other over, and never have I seen a supertall be proposed in Chicago that has threatened the fabric of a neighborhood.
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The root of the problem is not the skyscraper. It is government regulation (and a car-obsessed American populace) mandating the accommodation of the automobile as priority number one. The best neighborhoods are those that were built before this was the case.
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Yes, who can fail to be delighted by the fine-grained urbanism, studded with small shops and cafes, seen here?
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Why should any of this matter?
Cute little streetscapes that look like they were built by elven villagers are getting common and old. I like walking in places that are terrifying, overpowering, and where the sun plays second fiddle to man's constructs. And face it, so do you... |
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Not every part of the city has to be cute, and livable and inviting. If you want that, move to Boston, or wherever else. What supertalls provide are these larger than life structures. Anchoring points within the footprint of the city. Declarations that you’re somewhere bigger than life, and awe inspiring. When I jump on my bike in River North, head to the lakefront path, and ride north, when I do pull off and take in the city, what is my attention drawn too? Not your cute pedestrian, friendly structures you’re referring to, but rather the tallest and most architecturally impressive buildings in the skyline. We need a mix of both in the city. |
What's right next to John Hancock? Water Tower Place and Michigan Ave. "Streetscapes" shouldn't be judged in a vacuum when there can still be a high density of amenities. Concrete isn't a harbinger of doom, and btw Potsdamer Platz is actually awesome. When I was there the expanses of pavement were occupied by a bierfest and a handful of 7 person conference bikes (naturally), not to mention the shopping, entertainment, Berliner Philharmonie, gaping at Jahn's DB Tower/Sony Center (a combo of 333 W Wacker and the Thompson Center) etc...
The bigger issue, which is something everyone here already knows, is parking podiums as ivory towers that don't encourage walkable lifestyles and foot traffic. It's on the developer, not on the FAR of the tower. Just look at the floor plans of One Chicago Square's street level floors. When you accommodate retail and parking concerns, you've succeeded. |
Yeah, Michigan Avenue is a totally failed part of the city with it's giant mega flagships, throngs of shoppers, traffic jams of tourists, and expensive retail and residential real estate markets. No one wants to go there or live there because it's not thatched roof cottages like the good ole' days in the olde country...
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Lots of mass in the central part of the skyline going up. Chicago is moving away from the "3 kings/3 peaks" skyline it seems. Though if this one is around 1400 ft to the roof, it will definitely stand above the other supertalls in the vicinity.
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If this guy had it his way there would be cafes and restaurants around the base of ☢cooling towers!
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Mr. Downtown pulling out the intentionally misleading screenshots of the Hancock. I respect the grind, but ignoring the Michigan avenue presence will make people annoyed more than anything. I honestly see nothing wrong with your screenshot of Trump's entrance. If elegant lobbies and valets are bad street interaction then everything along Central Park is garbage by your standard.
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